Missouri_Mike
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The dead giveaway you wasted your college money is the inability to argue anything but your hurt feelings. You must be proud of your snowflake diploma.
Coconspiritor Adam Schiff: Declassifying Crossfire Hurricane Data Is “Un-American”
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justoffal
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What a squirrelly little fellow... Kind of fellar that if you met in an aisle at the grocery store you would get cold chills...
If you turn the thermometer upside down it looks an awful lot like Adam Schiff!
Jo
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Take heart it just may be curtains for some of those assholes soon too. The first amendment can't be used as a defence for treasonable actions.
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You sure seem to put a lot of stock into a failed institution. Unless you have a science degree, you were sucker played. Pissing away four years and accumulating debt for a worthless degree in gay art history or comparative literature is no deal nor is it a worthwhile pursuit or indicative of good sense.
As Barr mulls declassification, a familiar tune from critics.
Why, it’s almost as though classification had become little more than a scam to protect powerful interests
In February 2018, the House Intelligence Committee released the so-called Nunes memo. In four pages, the document, from the committee’s then-chairman Rep. Devin Nunes, revealed much of what the public knows today about the FBI’s reliance on the Steele dossier in pursuing since-discredited allegations that the Trump campaign and Russia conspired to fix the 2016 election. Specifically, it revealed that the FBI included unverified material from the dossier in applications to a secret spy court to win a warrant to wiretap Trump foreign policy volunteer adviser Carter Page.
All that was classified. To release it, the committee appealed to President Trump, who made a declassification order. That is the only way Americans know about the Page warrant. From that knowledge came later revelations about the FBI’s use of confidential informants and undercover agents to get information on Trump campaign figures.
It is good that the public knows such things, just as it is good that the public knows what is in the Mueller report. But in the days before the Nunes memo was declassified, many of the nation’s top current and former intelligence officials, members of Congress, and analysts in the press warned that declassification would do grave damage to American national security.
It didn’t happen.
Now, some of the same people are issuing somber warnings of the damage that will be done if Attorney General William Barr declassifies documents showing what else the nation’s law enforcement and intelligence agencies did in the 2016 Trump investigation.
All that was classified. To release it, the committee appealed to President Trump, who made a declassification order. That is the only way Americans know about the Page warrant. From that knowledge came later revelations about the FBI’s use of confidential informants and undercover agents to get information on Trump campaign figures.
It is good that the public knows such things, just as it is good that the public knows what is in the Mueller report. But in the days before the Nunes memo was declassified, many of the nation’s top current and former intelligence officials, members of Congress, and analysts in the press warned that declassification would do grave damage to American national security.
It didn’t happen.
Now, some of the same people are issuing somber warnings of the damage that will be done if Attorney General William Barr declassifies documents showing what else the nation’s law enforcement and intelligence agencies did in the 2016 Trump investigation.
Why, it’s almost as though classification had become little more than a scam to protect powerful interests
Media Worried About Leaking of Dossier Sources After Leaking Dossier Sources.
“Obama administration officials along with their media wet nurses and a motley crew of partisans are worked up. They are troubled over President Trump’s directive to his wing man, AG William Barr to declassify the documents surrounding the investigations into the Trump’s involvement in the RUSSIA collusion investigation. The spin coming from these malefactors and conspirators focus around the ‘danger’ of releasing classified information. Does this sound familiar? It should, we heard the same clap trap when the Nunes-run House Intel Committee wanted to release their report on the RUSSIA collusion scandal.”
REVISITING ROSENSTEIN’S COVER-UP OF CROSSFIRE HURRICANE:
To date, no person has been held accountable for the many false statements made to the FISA court under Rosenstein’s signature. In the absence of consequences, there’s nothing to deter continued lying to courts to spy on Americans and interfere in elections. Rosenstein’s unmolested freedom proves his promises of accountability were as false as the FISA application he signed.
If Democrats think they can control an FBI that has slipped free of its constitutional safeguards, they’re fooling themselves. If nobody makes good on Rosenstein’s promises of accountability, elections will become a quaint ceremonial exercise as the real power of government remains in the hands of the FBI.
None other than Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein certified that the application
From the outset, Page’s cooperation with the government made the entire FISA warrant totally illegal. The FBI could have just asked him to recount his contacts with the Russians and he would have told them everything. As noted on page viii of the Horowitz report, the FISA applications
“[o]mitted information the FBI had obtained from another U.S. government agency detailing its prior relationship with Page, including that Page had been approved as an ‘operational contact’ for the other agency from 2008 to 2013, and that Page had provided information to the other agency concerning his prior contacts with certain Russian intelligence officers, one of which overlapped with facts asserted in the FISA application.”
The great unsolved mystery of this scandal is why the FBI lied to spy on Page even after he left the Trump campaign in September 2016. A lot of people invested a lot of time and risk into keeping that warrant going until June of 2017. Why?
“Source 1 [Christopher Steele] has been corroborated and used in criminal proceedings . . .” That wasn’t true. Horowitz found that Steele did little to help with a prior criminal proceedings noting that the FBI bolstered Steele’s credibility with a history of cooperation that was “overstated and had not been approved by Steele’s handling agent, as required by the Woods Procedures.”
The FBI also falsely claimed that,
Steele’s primary sub-source told the FBI that he/she
In other words, at the time Rosenstein certified the final Carter Page warrant renewal, the FBI knew Steele was unreliable. And after talking to Steele’s primary sub-source in January 2017, FBI officials knew that the next layer of sources was also unreliable.
Rosenstein also certified to the court,
According to page 188 of the OIG report, “the corroboration was ‘zero.’” And furthermore,
Among the explanations for why Steele’s reporting to the FBI conflicted with the results of the FBI’s interview with Steele’s source (see page 189 of Horowitz’s report),
On page 227 of Horowitz’s report, we learned that Rosenstein raised a question
So Rosenstein signed the application in spite of the fact that he was absolutely right to doubt whether spying on Carter Page for another three months would develop any evidence. Indeed, Page has never been charged with a crime, leading one to wonder how Rosenstein could have justified continuing to spy on Page after the previous nine months of surveillance yielded nothing.
As indicated on page 229 of Horowitz’s report, Rosenstein claimed he first learned of the DNC funding of the Steele dossier from news media accounts but, “did not recall whether he knew it at the time he approved the third renewal.”
Horowitz’s report reflects that Rosenstein claimed ignorance of the many misstatements in the FISA application. But he clearly participated in the subsequent coverup.
On page 302 of the report, Rosenstein learned that Bruce Ohr, a member of his own staff, had been acting as an intermediary between the FBI and Steele, making Ohr a fact witness. Then,
Rosenstein delayed that interview until August 2018. Further, in January 2018, Rosenstein threatened to use the Department of Justice to investigate congressional staffers to deter them from probing the Crossfire Hurricane malfeasance.
At the time he gave the Newseum interview, a movement was underway to impeach Rosenstein for obstructing congressional oversight of the Justice Department’s spying and interference in the 2016 election.
The FBI violated its oath to uphold the Constitution to gain and maintain a warrant to spy on Carter Page. Swearing to a false affidavit to obtain a search warrant violates the Fourth Amendment. Defying and threatening Congress violates Article I.
To date, no person has been held accountable for the many false statements made to the FISA court under Rosenstein’s signature. In the absence of consequences, there’s nothing to deter continued lying to courts to spy on Americans and interfere in elections. Rosenstein’s unmolested freedom proves his promises of accountability were as false as the FISA application he signed.
If Democrats think they can control an FBI that has slipped free of its constitutional safeguards, they’re fooling themselves. If nobody makes good on Rosenstein’s promises of accountability, elections will become a quaint ceremonial exercise as the real power of government remains in the hands of the FBI.
None other than Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein certified that the application
“satisfies the criteria and requirement of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978…”
From the outset, Page’s cooperation with the government made the entire FISA warrant totally illegal. The FBI could have just asked him to recount his contacts with the Russians and he would have told them everything. As noted on page viii of the Horowitz report, the FISA applications
“[o]mitted information the FBI had obtained from another U.S. government agency detailing its prior relationship with Page, including that Page had been approved as an ‘operational contact’ for the other agency from 2008 to 2013, and that Page had provided information to the other agency concerning his prior contacts with certain Russian intelligence officers, one of which overlapped with facts asserted in the FISA application.”
The great unsolved mystery of this scandal is why the FBI lied to spy on Page even after he left the Trump campaign in September 2016. A lot of people invested a lot of time and risk into keeping that warrant going until June of 2017. Why?
Among the other false statements made in that June 2017 FISA application is one on page 17. Rosenstein certified to the court,“Source 1 [Christopher Steele] has been corroborated and used in criminal proceedings . . .” That wasn’t true. Horowitz found that Steele did little to help with a prior criminal proceedings noting that the FBI bolstered Steele’s credibility with a history of cooperation that was “overstated and had not been approved by Steele’s handling agent, as required by the Woods Procedures.”
“the FBI assesses Source #1 [Steele] to be reliable . . . and the FBI is unaware of any derogatory information pertaining to Source #1.”
In fact, the FBI knew by January 2017 that Steele’s source disavowed everything.
We find on page 188 of Horowitz’s report that Steele’s primary source explained that his information came from“word of mouth and hearsay . . . conversation that [he/she] had with friends over beers” and that some of the information, such as allegations about Trump’s sexual activities, were statements the source heard made in “jest.”
Worse yet, the FBI had reason to believe
“that the other sub-sources exaggerated their access to information and the relevance of that information to his/her requests.”
Steele’s primary sub-source told the FBI that he/she
“takes what [sub-sources] tell [him/her] with ‘a grain of salt.’”
In other words, at the time Rosenstein certified the final Carter Page warrant renewal, the FBI knew Steele was unreliable. And after talking to Steele’s primary sub-source in January 2017, FBI officials knew that the next layer of sources was also unreliable.
Rosenstein also certified to the court,
“Source #1 [Steele] tasked his sub-source(s) to collect the requisite information. After Source #1 received information from the sub-source(s), described herein, Source #1 provided the information to the identified U.S. person who had hired Source #1 and to the FBI.”
According to page 188 of the OIG report, “the corroboration was ‘zero.’” And furthermore,
“the Primary Sub-source had reported the same conclusion to the Crossfire Hurricane team members who interviewed him/ her in January 2017.”
Among the explanations for why Steele’s reporting to the FBI conflicted with the results of the FBI’s interview with Steele’s source (see page 189 of Horowitz’s report),
“miscommunications between Steele and the Primary Sub-source, exaggerations or misrepresentations by Steele about the information he obtained, or misrepresentations by the Primary Sub-source and/or sub-sources when questioned by the FBI about the information they conveyed to Steele or the Primary Sub-source.”
On page 227 of Horowitz’s report, we learned that Rosenstein raised a question
“about whether continued FISA coverage was going to produce useful information given that the FISA coverage targeting Carter Page had been leaked to the media.”
Rosenstein was simply told that this renewal application was the last one “unless new evidence was uncovered.”
So Rosenstein signed the application in spite of the fact that he was absolutely right to doubt whether spying on Carter Page for another three months would develop any evidence. Indeed, Page has never been charged with a crime, leading one to wonder how Rosenstein could have justified continuing to spy on Page after the previous nine months of surveillance yielded nothing.
As indicated on page 229 of Horowitz’s report, Rosenstein claimed he first learned of the DNC funding of the Steele dossier from news media accounts but, “did not recall whether he knew it at the time he approved the third renewal.”
Horowitz’s report reflects that Rosenstein claimed ignorance of the many misstatements in the FISA application. But he clearly participated in the subsequent coverup.
On page 302 of the report, Rosenstein learned that Bruce Ohr, a member of his own staff, had been acting as an intermediary between the FBI and Steele, making Ohr a fact witness. Then,
“On November 28, 2017, the Department [of Justice] received a letter from the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI) requesting a closed interview of Ohr as part of its inquiry into Russian interference with the 2016 presidential election. SSCI’s request was forwarded to Ohr and Crowell the next day, and the FBI subsequently provided ODAG with the Ohr FD-302s, which Crowell and Schools reviewed.”
Rosenstein delayed that interview until August 2018. Further, in January 2018, Rosenstein threatened to use the Department of Justice to investigate congressional staffers to deter them from probing the Crossfire Hurricane malfeasance.
At the time he gave the Newseum interview, a movement was underway to impeach Rosenstein for obstructing congressional oversight of the Justice Department’s spying and interference in the 2016 election.
The FBI violated its oath to uphold the Constitution to gain and maintain a warrant to spy on Carter Page. Swearing to a false affidavit to obtain a search warrant violates the Fourth Amendment. Defying and threatening Congress violates Article I.
Gawd, have we such a zero life we sort through pro trump stuff and cut and paste?
Try enrolling in college
It's very important that we rub your noses in your fake news crap, how else will you learn?
Sucking off your commie SS Medicare VA benefits are we with all this time on our hands?
So you must be a knees news fanatic?
I haven't the time to really research but I thought the 10 yr mi6 Moscow guy was employed first by repubs and none of his claims had been disproved?
And the FBI started investigating way before he was hired?
Darlin, it took me years to prove chloroform had 3 different atoms.
So to throw up paragraphs which support your opinion (whatever that is) is irrelevant.
To quote Just one line of an article
"But neither does the absence of such detail mean that the dossier is false,” wrote Grant and Rosenberg."
So it's not false?
I assume you saw the fox/Ayles doc?
"Our goal is not to report news, it's to say what our readers already believe"
Ask mr Barr, the Iran contra cover up king
So true. To really research something takes months and months, not a little cut and paste in an old white farts forum.
Happy NY darlin, enrol in a research program
Fake news crap, such a simpleton
Yeah, you have a lot to catch up on.
Here's a good place to start, from the Horowitz report:
IG Report: Here Are The 17 Specific ‘Inaccuracies And Omissions’ In The FBI’s FISA Warrants Against Carter Page
So who first employed the mi6 guy again?
Carter page? The FISA warrants?
Are you serious?
That's it?
Why bother ploughing through your preselected cut and pastes?
you are taking your beliefs from American whatever, a right wing site.
How can we expect both sides?
And CP was a tiny piece of the whole.
So you really disbelieve a 10 yr mi6 Moscow guy?
As H said nothing has been disproven
Why not post the whole report??
Then maybe we can consider both sides
The Dossier is false. Steele lied about what his sources told him:
Horowitz:
IG Report: Here Are The 17 Specific ‘Inaccuracies And Omissions’ In The FBI’s FISA Warrants Against Carter Page
Omitted the fact that Steele’s Primary Sub-source, who the FBI found credible, had made statements in January 2017 raising significant questions about the reliability of allegations included in the FISA applications, including, for example, that he/she had no discussion with Person 1 concerning WikiLeaks and there was “nothing bad” about the communications between the Kremlin and the Trump team, and that he/she did not report to Steele in July 2016 that Page had met with Sechin;
Steele is person 1. The FBI vouched for the reliability of Steele and his primary subsource even though when they finally interviewed the subsource (which they should have done before applying for the first warrant) the subsource said:
- Despite Steele's claims to the contrary, s/he never discussed Wikileaks with Steele.
- Despite Steele's claims to the contrary, he was aware of no untoward communications between the Kremlin and the Trump team.
- Despite Steele's claims to the contrary that s/he had never told Steele that Page had met with Sechin.
It was on the word of these two, which they represented as of the utmost credibility, that they had represented to the Court that Carter Page was most assuredly a spy working with the Kremlin in illegal coordination with the Trump Campaign.
Did they immediately report this to the Court which would have resulted in the immediate cancellation of the existing warrant? No. They all conspired to concealed this from the Court, and they conspired to continue representing the original lies to the Court in subsequent renewals.
And that is just "one" of the 17 lethal flaws Horowitz describes in his extremely fair and low key complete thrashing of the quite corrupt FBI that illegally spied on a Presidential campaign, Transition and Administration.
IN your made up mind Ph.D. Opinion
The commie summary I read said there was no evidence of the FBI spying on the con.but mistakes were made (FISA of carter).
Lethal flaws ?
Hilarious
If you can tear yourself away from Americas Greatness (omg) the Times conclusion was
"h found no evidence of the political conspiracy alleged by Pres trump, although mistakes were made"
I'm guessing you never read the whole Mueller report either.
Stay with knees news and Rush darlin.
Don't have to think at all
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Yes, breaking the law can be considered a mistake. Especially if you are responsible for
breaking those laws.
Is there a good reason not to declassify documents relating to Operation Cross Fire Hurricane?
Ridgerunner
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And end up with a academic pinhead like you as a Professor... I think not...
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