CNN immediately claims Manhattan shooter was WHITE

[Captain Caveman]

The real story here is that he had a history of mental health issues, and was still able to get a military grade weapon.

But let's not have that discussion.

Yes, it's called the 2nd Amendment. You can't infringe the right of a nut job to have a gun and walk around in public with it loaded. What could go wrong?

(America is proof of this failed experiment)

 

[JoeB131]

2A ************.

Choke on balls.

Do you say that to the parents of preschoolers shot in rampages?

you might as well.

 

[JoeB131]

Joe didn't whine when Hunter violated gun laws

Because Hunter didn't shoot anyone.

and probably didn't really violate any laws.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, it's called the 2nd Amendment. You can't infringe the right of a nut job to have a gun and walk around in public with it loaded. What could go wrong?

(America is proof of this failed experiment)

Second Amendment was about Militias, not gun ownership.

 

[j-mac]

Second Amendment was about Militias, not gun ownership.

SCOTUS has disagreed with you for 250 years…

 

[JoeB131]

SCOTUS has disagreed with you for 250 years…

Actually, no, for most of those 250 years, SCOTUS has agreed, with decisions like Miller v. US giving the government the power to regulate firearms.

SCOTUS has only taken the crazy path of the Militia Amendment allowing gun ownership for crazy people since Heller in 2010.

 

[DonGlock26]

No, it shows the inefficiency of not having a sensible federal law.

This guy was able to buy a gun in Nevada and travel across the country to go on this rampage.

If he's willing to break laws, how would a federal law stop him from putting a rifle in a trunk and driving to NYC?

 

[Hafar1014]

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Indeed...., rather than commit this person for treatment, psychiatrists medicated him and allowed him into the population . End result he killed 5 people including himself in his dementia.

He appears to be schizophrenic to me. They often refuse to take their meds. Its the law that keeps him from mandated treatment not his DR

 

[JoeB131]

If he's willing to break laws, how would a federal law stop him from putting a rifle in a trunk and driving to NYC?

If we had a sensible law, he'd have never been able to buy a gun to start with.

The rest of the world has figured this out; they either ban private gun ownership or severely restrict it.

 

[JoeB131]

He appears to be schizophrenic to me. They often refuse to take their meds. Its the law that keeps him from mandated treatment not his DR

Did you diagnose him.

His problem appears to be that he suffered Concussive Head Trauma playing HS football, and blamed the NFL for that.

 

[j-mac]

Actually, no, for most of those 250 years, SCOTUS has agreed, with decisions like Miller v. US giving the government the power to regulate firearms.

SCOTUS has only taken the crazy path of the Militia Amendment allowing gun ownership for crazy people since Heller in 2010.

That’s simply not true, and shows how shallow your understanding is.

 

[Hafar1014]

Did you diagnose him.

His problem appears to be that he suffered Concussive Head Trauma playing HS football, and blamed the NFL for that.

His age, behavior, and reports that he is under treatment, are consistent with psychosis. He is too young for head trauma to manifest. That all adds up to schizophrenia paranoid subtype. Onset is age 15 to 25.

 

[JoeB131]

That’s simply not true, and shows how shallow your understanding is.

My understanding is pretty clear. For most of our history, the understanding of "Well-Regulated Militia" allowed for common sense gun laws.

Until the National Rampage Association realized that crazy people were their best customers.

 

[DonGlock26]

If we had a sensible law, he'd have never been able to buy a gun to start with.

The rest of the world has figured this out; they either ban private gun ownership or severely restrict it.

Answer the question.

 

[JoeB131]

Answer the question.

I did.

It just wasn't an answer you wanted to hear.

 

[j-mac]

My understanding is pretty clear. For most of our history, the understanding of "Well-Regulated Militia" allowed for common sense gun laws.

Until the National Rampage Association realized that crazy people were their best customers.

So, tell us what law you’d enact that isn’t already on the books?

 

[DonGlock26]

I did.

It just wasn't an answer you wanted to

So your laws wouldn’t really stop him from actually transposing a rifle. Got it.
Your gun control laws failed in NYC as well.

 

[JoeB131]

So, tell us what law you’d enact that isn’t already on the books?

Well, I'd do a couple.

First, I'd repeal the PLCAA. Betcha the gun sellers won't be so keen to sell to crazy people if they can be held liable.

Secondly, I'd require real background checks.

I had to submit pages and pages of documents when I

1) Applied for my current job.
2) Applied for my current mortgage
3) Sponsored my wife for residency

Forget that I have a 45 year working history, including military service.
Or that I had an 825 Credit Score
Or that my wife had already been a legal resident for 7 years before I married her.

But when I applied for an Illinois FOID card, I just had to pay $11.00 and fill out a form promising I wasn't a crook or a crazy person.

 

[Hafar1014]

Well, I'd do a couple.

First, I'd repeal the PLCAA. Betcha the gun sellers won't be so keen to sell to crazy people if they can be held liable.

Secondly, I'd require real background checks.

I had to submit pages and pages of documents when I

1) Applied for my current job.
2) Applied for my current mortgage
3) Sponsored my wife for residency

Forget that I have a 45 year working history, including military service.
Or that I had an 825 Credit Score
Or that my wife had already been a legal resident for 7 years before I married her.

But when I applied for an Illinois FOID card, I just had to pay $11.00 and fill out a form promising I wasn't a crook or a crazy person.

Let me help you be more specific. All we have to do is add a HIPPA waiver to the background check form 4473 so medical records can be examined. Then if we see Psychosis, bi polar DO, Anti social personality DO or major depression, they are rejected. We can also add that the FBI must then interview the person. That puts us one step ahead

 

[DonGlock26]

Well, I'd do a couple.

First, I'd repeal the PLCAA. Betcha the gun sellers won't be so keen to sell to crazy people if they can be held liable.

Secondly, I'd require real background checks.

I had to submit pages and pages of documents when I

1) Applied for my current job.
2) Applied for my current mortgage
3) Sponsored my wife for residency

Forget that I have a 45 year working history, including military service.
Or that I had an 825 Credit Score
Or that my wife had already been a legal resident for 7 years before I married her.

But when I applied for an Illinois FOID card, I just had to pay $11.00 and fill out a form promising I wasn't a crook or a crazy person.

So you support voter ID laws then?