CNN Guest Host Claims The Electoral College Is Rooted In Slavery

[Greenbeard]

These people see racism in everything.

Embarrassing that you know so little about American history. Madison’s convention notes are explicit that slavery is the reason we have an electoral college system.

 

[Alicia J]

No, you claimed since they couldn't vote they shouldn't have been counted, well neither could women children or men without property vote. So, using your logic they shouldn't count either.

That's not true. Women and men without property were still included in the EC count.

Because they were still U.S. citizens......slaves were not.

 

[Rawley]

Embarrassing that you know so little about American history. Madison’s convention notes are explicit that slavery is the reason we have an electoral college system.

Feel free to quote said notes.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Good luck with that one. The ignorance is impenetrable. 3/5ths > 1

Well, yeah, because it has 3 and 5 in it.

 

[Alicia J]

Good luck with that one. The ignorance is impenetrable. 3/5ths > 1

You made the imbecile comment that the slave population didn't give the Southern states an EC advantage.

And it blew up in your MAGAt racist face.

 

[Greenbeard]

Feel free to quote said notes.

Avalon Project - Madison Debates - July 19

[Madison] was disposed for these reasons to refer the appointment [of the President] to some other source. The people at large was in his opinion the fittest in itself. It would be as likely as any that could be devised to produce an Executive Magistrate of distinguished Character. The people generally could only know & vote for some Citizen whose merits had rendered him an object of general attention & esteem. There was one difficulty however of a serious nature attending an immediate choice by the people. The right of suffrage was much more diffusive in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of the Negroes. The substitution of electors obviated this difficulty and seemed on the whole to be liable to fewest objections.

The Three-Fifths compromise allowed slave states to amplify their voices in presidential elections if such elections were held via an electoral college instead of direct votes. And so we have the EC.

 

[kyzr]

Great point.....because the South's slave population advantage disappeared in a mere 13 years.

That "great point" went right over your head.
The EC was written in 1787 and the election you keep referring to was in 1800, so no connection.

 

[Alicia J]

That "great point" went right over your head.
The EC was written in 1787 and the election you keep referring to was in 1800, so no connection.

There is no point here.....you're just an uneducated rube.

Jefferson loses the election of 1800 to Adams if not for the South's slave population. That is a historical fact.

 

[SeaMajor7]

There is no point here.....you're just an uneducated rube.

Jefferson loses the election of 1800 to Adams if not for the South's slave population. That is a historical fact.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[kyzr]

There is no point here.....you're just an uneducated rube.

Jefferson loses the election of 1800 to Adams if not for the South's slave population. That is a historical fact.

I'm not disputing that fact.
What I'm disputing is that the election of 1800 had any influence on the creation of the Electoral College viz "slavery'.
Post #61 is much more relevant to this discussion, especially if you go and actually read Madison's notes.

 

[SweetTea]

I'm sure that is what your fucked-up MAGA religion tells you, gomer.

Go pray to your orange god some more....

I don't worship MAGA. I am a born again Christian.

In college, I made a conscious effort to think for myself rather than blindly accept every idea presented by professors who seemed more interested in promoting ideology than encouraging critical thinking. Having an independent mindset has served me well and is a big part of the success I enjoy today. You're free to embrace the ideas being promoted by socialists, but that doesn't make you more informed or enlightened. Repeating slogans like "the rich don't pay their fair share", for example, just further exemplifies a lack of real insight.

The United States has one of the highest standards of living in the world, and there's a reason for that. That success is rooted in free markets, innovation, entrepreneurship, and economic opportunity, not socialism.

 

[Alicia J]

I'm not disputing that fact.
What I'm disputing is that the election of 1800 had any influence on the creation of the Electoral College.

And I never said that. You just can't read, I guess.

Post #61 is much more relevant to this discussion, especially if you go and read Madison's notes.

To ignore the impact of the Three Fifths Compromise on the EC and U.S. elections is to ignore history.

Madison was thinking about his slaves every day when drafting the Constitution. For you to pretend that slavery had no impact on his thinking is ludicrous.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

These people see racism in everything.

This entire premise is that if black people don't get special consideration in anything, then it must be rooted in slavery.

You really have to be stupid to think this way, but it seems our society churns these types out in mass.

If they can't find any racism, they'll create the perception of racism.

(The SPLC proved this was the case by funding rightwing extremist groups with taxpayer money)

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They take a big wheel with random shit written on it, give it a spin, throw a dart, and that is how they determine what will be racist today.

 

[Independent thinker]

These people see racism in everything.

This entire premise is that if black people don't get special consideration in anything, then it must be rooted in slavery.

You really have to be stupid to think this way, but it seems our society churns these types out in mass.

If they can't find any racism, they'll create the perception of racism.

(The SPLC proved this was the case by funding rightwing extremist groups with taxpayer money)

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I'm not 100% sure on this but it seems to me blacks weren't even allowed to vote at all before the electoral college came into existence.

 

[Rawley]

Avalon Project - Madison Debates - July 19

The Three-Fifths compromise allowed slave states to amplify their voices in presidential elections if such elections were held via an electoral college instead of direct votes. And so we have the EC.

Well, actually, the 3/5th compromise was the solution to the representation in Congress, it was not developed for the EC. The debate in the election of President was the choice between Congress choosing the President and a direct vote. The EC, derived from the Congressional representation, was the solution to that question.

 

[Rawley]

I'm not disputing that fact.
What I'm disputing is that the election of 1800 had any influence on the creation of the Electoral College viz "slavery'.
Post #61 is much more relevant to this discussion, especially if you go and actually read Madison's notes.

Can't say I didn't warn you.

 

[mudwhistle]

And I never said that. You just can't read, I guess.


To ignore the impact of the Three Fifths Compromise on the EC and U.S. elections is to ignore history.

Madison was thinking about his slaves every day when drafting the Constitution. For you to pretend that slavery had no impact on his thinking is ludicrous.

Slavery has nothing to do with the Electoral College now.

You have to go waaaay out in the weeds to make any claims that it once had anything to do with it.

The simple fact that slaves were once counted in the census has jack-squat to do with our presidential elections.

 

[Greenbeard]

Well, actually, the 3/5th compromise was the solution to the representation in Congress, it was not developed for the EC.

No shit. Having established that slave populations inflate representation in Congress, slave states found it advantageous to pursue a system for selecting presidents that gave them influence proportional to their congressional representation (“influence in the election on the score of the Negroes,” as Madison put it), not their eligible voting population. Slavery is the reason we have the EC.

We don’t need to guess about it, Madison literally wrote it down in his notes from the convention.

 

[Rawley]

No shit. Having established that slave populations inflate representation in Congress

"inflate" huh? So you agree with your esteemed colleague Alicia that slaves should not have been counted at all as persons when determining a state's population.

Wow. Sounds pretty racist, but that might just be me.

 

[mudwhistle]

No shit. Having established that slave populations inflate representation in Congress, slave states found it advantageous to pursue a system for selecting presidents that gave them influence proportional to their congressional representation (“influence in the election on the score of the Negroes,” as Madison put it), not their eligible voting population. Slavery is the reason we have the EC.

We don’t need to guess about it, Madison literally wrote it down in his notes from the convention.

I guess you've been issued the same bogus talking-points as this other idiot.

Tell me again how affordable the ACA has been, please.