Cliven Bundy

[tyroneweaver]

Twenty-one years ago, rancher Cliven Bundy stopped paying his grazing fees.

Bundy does not recognize federal authority over land where his ancestors first settled in the 1880s, which he claims belongs to the state of Nevada. The Bureau of Land Management disagreed and took him to federal court, which first ruled in favor of the BLM in 1998. After years of attempts at a negotiated settlement over the $1.2 million Bundy owes in fees failed, federal land agents began seizing hundreds of his cattle illegally grazing on public land last week.



WHETHER OR NOT CLIVEN BUNDY RECOGNIZES THE UNITED STATES FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS IMMATERIAL.
THE LAND THAT HE HAS BEEN USING, IS NOT HIS, AND EVEN IF IT WERE HIS, HE OWES TAXES TO THE CITY, STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
AND BECAUSE THE LAND IS OWNED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, HE OWES GRAZING FEES FOR THE PRVILEGE OF GRAZING HIS CATTLE THERE.

THE BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT IS THE BOSS IN THIS CASE, AND NOT CLIVEN BUNDY, AND HIS POSSE ARE GUILTY OF WAGING AN AGGRESSIVE WAR AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE GOVERNMENT, AND SHOULD BE SENTENCED TO DEATH.

PERIOD.

What's your point. The Bundy's have all been rounded up and put in jail. That should make all you peta, vegan, and obama apologist very happy.

 

[Rustic]

Really? Then try and camp on "Federal land" and let me know how that works out for ya. We do not have allodial rights. We lost the last of that with the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of USA.INC in 1933. Look at the title to your home....says tenet.

I have no mortgages on my homes and condos. Titles say "owner." And from the beginning the lands to the west and south that have come into the union have come iaw with the contracts of the territories and the one republic negotiated by with federal government on the behalf of We the People. We live in a Republic.

Do you pay property taxes? If so, you do not own your home or land.. We were founded as a Republic but it seems that we lost it along the way.

Only a goof thinks taxes means we are not a Republic. Taxes are mentioned in the Constitution and almost every founding charter document of colonies, townships, etc. You are goofy.

Really? Property taxes are in the Constitution? Taxes on the wages of someone bartering his labor in exchange for something of value is in the Constitution? Look up what Allodial rights mean and look up the Supreme Court decisions concerning the income tax and how the 16th amendment did not give the government the right to tax labor. While you are at it, look up what a Promissory note is and how it relates to the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of 1933 and the gold confiscation. This could be a good educational experience for ya.

Labor is not taxed in a barter transaction. The value of goods and services received are taxed.

Whatever the case may be, the federal government can never be trusted…

 

[NYcarbineer]

I have no mortgages on my homes and condos. Titles say "owner." And from the beginning the lands to the west and south that have come into the union have come iaw with the contracts of the territories and the one republic negotiated by with federal government on the behalf of We the People. We live in a Republic.

Do you pay property taxes? If so, you do not own your home or land.. We were founded as a Republic but it seems that we lost it along the way.

Only a goof thinks taxes means we are not a Republic. Taxes are mentioned in the Constitution and almost every founding charter document of colonies, townships, etc. You are goofy.

Really? Property taxes are in the Constitution? Taxes on the wages of someone bartering his labor in exchange for something of value is in the Constitution? Look up what Allodial rights mean and look up the Supreme Court decisions concerning the income tax and how the 16th amendment did not give the government the right to tax labor. While you are at it, look up what a Promissory note is and how it relates to the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of 1933 and the gold confiscation. This could be a good educational experience for ya.

Labor is not taxed in a barter transaction. The value of goods and services received are taxed.

Whatever the case may be, the federal government can never be trusted…

Nor can you so it's a wash. That's why we have laws and elections.

 

[Rustic]

Do you pay property taxes? If so, you do not own your home or land.. We were founded as a Republic but it seems that we lost it along the way.

Only a goof thinks taxes means we are not a Republic. Taxes are mentioned in the Constitution and almost every founding charter document of colonies, townships, etc. You are goofy.

Really? Property taxes are in the Constitution? Taxes on the wages of someone bartering his labor in exchange for something of value is in the Constitution? Look up what Allodial rights mean and look up the Supreme Court decisions concerning the income tax and how the 16th amendment did not give the government the right to tax labor. While you are at it, look up what a Promissory note is and how it relates to the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of 1933 and the gold confiscation. This could be a good educational experience for ya.

Labor is not taxed in a barter transaction. The value of goods and services received are taxed.

Whatever the case may be, the federal government can never be trusted…

Nor can you so it's a wash. That's why we have laws and elections.

Career politicians have the elections rigged…

 

[JakeStarkey]

"Look up what Allodial rights mean"

You are basing your argumentation on feudal law and obligation.

And yes federal land is owned by the feds in trust for We the People.

 

[Dale Smith]

"People like you are just ignorant of the history of our country" is the statement of one-side, narrow minded concrete learners who refuse to accept that they are a part of society. Those who deny are lying sacks of shit.

I can be part of society while opting out of the UCC system that would give me certain perks but at a cost that is high...not exactly the "bang for the buck" and besides, they borrowed against our birth certificates that were written on bond paper making us surety against the debt due to (that's right) the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of 1933. Up until 1933, there was nothing that required one to have a birth certificate. Births were written in the family Bible or whatever written family recordings. With that birth certificate, they created a bond and made them the trustees of that bond but they had to have our permission to do it and when you sign up for a social security card, you have given them permission. After the bankruptcy of 1933 due to the orchestrated crash of 1929, every American was required to register their biological property in a national system designed to keep track of the people that was operated under the ancient system of pledging. By this methodology,they compelled the people to submit to their debt slavery system for their fiat currency after the gold confiscation which is REAL money . Every American was eventually forced to register or not be able to work and earn a living. We became their their chattel and they have been holding security interest over us using Admiralty law under the scheme of secured transactions. America was rendered bankrupt and our sweat equity was pledged against the debt. We lost our rights and when we signed onto the S.S system we were granted "privileges" and certain perks but you are not getting true value as opposed to what you paid in. We were given a commercial value using actuary tables based on what you will earn, the taxes and fees you will pay in and the bond is given that value and USA.INC borrows against it and it's all designed to create a profit for the Fed bankers that extend credit they create out of thin air and we insure them for any "loss" they may have after moving their gains to secured locations like Switzerland, the Cayman Islands (which is a haven for secret accounts) or Puerto Rico. They make bad loans on purpose like the housing bubble and then plead empty pockets while accruing hard assets that they can sell again and we stupidly "bail them out". The Promissory note that you sign when you buy a house is the same as if the Federal Reserve bankers printed up the money on a printing press and they "manage" your loan and if you have a 30 year note, you will have paid three times of what you paid for the house while the bank wasn't out a single dime because YOUR signature was as good as the fraudulent fiat currency (backed by nothing of intrinsic value) that the Fed produces. 97 percent of the money in the system is nothing but numbers on a computer screen. The Fed's affiliated banks are struggling to keep the ATMs full and they have been hinting that we need to eliminate paper currency altogether. That should set off the bullshit detector in everyone...this is just a small sample of how the "system" works and everyone of those fuckers in D.C know exactly what I am telling you. Like I said, I have been reading up on this and researching this for a long time.

 

[JakeStarkey]

 

[Dale Smith]

Really? Then try and camp on "Federal land" and let me know how that works out for ya. We do not have allodial rights. We lost the last of that with the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of USA.INC in 1933. Look at the title to your home....says tenet.

I have no mortgages on my homes and condos. Titles say "owner." And from the beginning the lands to the west and south that have come into the union have come iaw with the contracts of the territories and the one republic negotiated by with federal government on the behalf of We the People. We live in a Republic.

Do you pay property taxes? If so, you do not own your home or land.. We were founded as a Republic but it seems that we lost it along the way.

Only a goof thinks taxes means we are not a Republic. Taxes are mentioned in the Constitution and almost every founding charter document of colonies, townships, etc. You are goofy.

Really? Property taxes are in the Constitution? Taxes on the wages of someone bartering his labor in exchange for something of value is in the Constitution? Look up what Allodial rights mean and look up the Supreme Court decisions concerning the income tax and how the 16th amendment did not give the government the right to tax labor. While you are at it, look up what a Promissory note is and how it relates to the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of 1933 and the gold confiscation. This could be a good educational experience for ya.

Labor is not taxed in a barter transaction. The value of goods and services received are taxed.

Do tell? I exchange 8 hours of labor per day for something of value (the fiat currency that I can exchange for goods and services) and "da gubermint"/ Fed bankers believe that they are owed 20 to 25 percent of it because I am surety on the national debt....now, tell me again that my labor isn't taxed????

 

[SwimExpert]

People like you are just ignorant of the history of our country. Why does the president have the authority to sign executive orders thus bypassing Congress altogether....do you know why? Hint: It goes back to the Chapter 11 bankruptcy of USA.INC in 1933.

No, you moron! It goes back to the failed Thetan invasion of 1782, which forced President Washington hide the real constitution in a hidden emergency vault while displaying the decoy that we're all familiar with today. After driving back the Thetan invaders and negotiating a peace deal whereby the United States hands over 5000 black people to the Thetan overlord as slave labor, the 11th amendment to the constitution was ratified. It required the real constitution to remain hidden and created the NSA, which is tasked with top secret operations to repel further invasions and eventually eliminate the Thetan enemy ("NSA" stands for 'No Space Assholes'). The 11th amendment also grants the President power to pass legislation via executive order if and only if it is directly related to anti-Thetan military preparations.

The real problem that you fail to comprehend in your micro brain is the Supreme Court decision in US vs Alf, where the court held that the Framers' understanding of "Thetans" as appearing in the 11th amendment was a generic label for any extra terrestrial civilizations as a whole. The year 1933 is the year when Aspheni began showing up, claiming to be authorized carriers to ferry the black slaves. Three years later when Aspheni spies were caught trying to infiltrate IBM, the President began using EO to begin anti-Ashpeni operations, believing that the country was in imminent danger of attack. Prescott Bush filed a lawsuit, claiming that the appropriation of funds was unconstitutional because the 11th explicitly stated EOs had to apply to anti-Thetan operations. But the court examined the secret memoirs of Washington and Jefferson and determined that to the Framers minds, "Thetan" was synonymous with all aliens from outer space. Since then, anti-Aspheni operations have been the pretext of a great many controversial EOs, despite the fact that it was eventually discovered that the Aspheni spies were only trying to infiltrate IBM as a means to piggy-back infiltration into the Nazi regime, during IBM's infamous history with the Nazis, and carry out sabotage missions against Hitler. Not to mention the fact that it is largely believed nowadays that the Aspheni have actually eradicated the Thetans, because nobody has heard from them since 1932. Even more controversial were the EOs that have now become the standard form, rationalizing almost any executive legislation on "generalized anti other Thetans" (GOAT) grounds. Based on the premise that we don't know if there are other 'Thetans' (i.e. aliens) out there who might attack us one day in the future, GOAT legislation has been used to justify everything from the funding of Osama bin Laden to the genetic engineering of Justin Bieber.

 

[Dale Smith]

People like you are just ignorant of the history of our country. Why does the president have the authority to sign executive orders thus bypassing Congress altogether....do you know why? Hint: It goes back to the Chapter 11 bankruptcy of USA.INC in 1933.

No, you moron! It goes back to the failed Thetan invasion of 1782, which forced President Washington hide the real constitution in a hidden emergency vault while displaying the decoy that we're all familiar with today. After driving back the Thetan invaders and negotiating a peace deal whereby the United States hands over 5000 black people to the Thetan overlord as slave labor, the 11th amendment to the constitution was ratified. It required the real constitution to remain hidden and created the NSA, which is tasked with top secret operations to repel further invasions and eventually eliminate the Thetan enemy ("NSA" stands for 'No Space Assholes'). The 11th amendment also grants the President power to pass legislation via executive order if and only if it is directly related to anti-Thetan military preparations.

The real problem that you fail to comprehend in your micro brain is the Supreme Court decision in US vs Alf, where the court held that the Framers' understanding of "Thetans" as appearing in the 11th amendment was a generic label for any extra terrestrial civilizations as a whole. The year 1933 is the year when Aspheni began showing up, claiming to be authorized carriers to ferry the black slaves. Three years later when Aspheni spies were caught trying to infiltrate IBM, the President began using EO to begin anti-Ashpeni operations, believing that the country was in imminent danger of attack. Prescott Bush filed a lawsuit, claiming that the appropriation of funds was unconstitutional because the 11th explicitly stated EOs had to apply to anti-Thetan operations. But the court examined the secret memoirs of Washington and Jefferson and determined that to the Framers minds, "Thetan" was synonymous with all aliens from outer space. Since then, anti-Aspheni operations have been the pretext of a great many controversial EOs, despite the fact that it was eventually discovered that the Aspheni spies were only trying to infiltrate IBM as a means to piggy-back infiltration into the Nazi regime, during IBM's infamous history with the Nazis, and carry out sabotage missions against Hitler. Not to mention the fact that it is largely believed nowadays that the Aspheni have actually eradicated the Thetans, because nobody has heard from them since 1932. Even more controversial were the EOs that have now become the standard form, rationalizing almost any executive legislation on "generalized anti other Thetans" (GOAT) grounds. Based on the premise that we don't know if there are other 'Thetans' (i.e. aliens) out there who might attack us one day in the future, GOAT legislation has been used to justify everything from the funding of Osama bin Laden to the genetic engineering of Justin Bieber.

That must be some lab grade LSD you are taking....I lost interest after the firsts two sentences.....

 

[SwimExpert]

That must be some lab grade LSD you are taking.

I wouldn't know. Expert on LSD, are you? That explains alot.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I have no mortgages on my homes and condos. Titles say "owner." And from the beginning the lands to the west and south that have come into the union have come iaw with the contracts of the territories and the one republic negotiated by with federal government on the behalf of We the People. We live in a Republic.

Do you pay property taxes? If so, you do not own your home or land.. We were founded as a Republic but it seems that we lost it along the way.

Only a goof thinks taxes means we are not a Republic. Taxes are mentioned in the Constitution and almost every founding charter document of colonies, townships, etc. You are goofy.

Really? Property taxes are in the Constitution? Taxes on the wages of someone bartering his labor in exchange for something of value is in the Constitution? Look up what Allodial rights mean and look up the Supreme Court decisions concerning the income tax and how the 16th amendment did not give the government the right to tax labor. While you are at it, look up what a Promissory note is and how it relates to the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of 1933 and the gold confiscation. This could be a good educational experience for ya.

Labor is not taxed in a barter transaction. The value of goods and services received are taxed.

Do tell? I exchange 8 hours of labor per day for something of value (the fiat currency that I can exchange for goods and services) and "da gubermint"/ Fed bankers believe that they are owed 20 to 25 percent of it because I am surety on the national debt....now, tell me again that my labor isn't taxed????

Have you heard of the 16th Amendment?

 

[NYcarbineer]

"People like you are just ignorant of the history of our country" is the statement of one-side, narrow minded concrete learners who refuse to accept that they are a part of society. Those who deny are lying sacks of shit.

I can be part of society while opting out of the UCC system that would give me certain perks but at a cost that is high...not exactly the "bang for the buck" and besides, they borrowed against our birth certificates that were written on bond paper making us surety against the debt due to (that's right) the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of 1933. Up until 1933, there was nothing that required one to have a birth certificate. Births were written in the family Bible or whatever written family recordings. With that birth certificate, they created a bond and made them the trustees of that bond but they had to have our permission to do it and when you sign up for a social security card, you have given them permission. After the bankruptcy of 1933 due to the orchestrated crash of 1929, every American was required to register their biological property in a national system designed to keep track of the people that was operated under the ancient system of pledging. By this methodology,they compelled the people to submit to their debt slavery system for their fiat currency after the gold confiscation which is REAL money . Every American was eventually forced to register or not be able to work and earn a living. We became their their chattel and they have been holding security interest over us using Admiralty law under the scheme of secured transactions. America was rendered bankrupt and our sweat equity was pledged against the debt. We lost our rights and when we signed onto the S.S system we were granted "privileges" and certain perks but you are not getting true value as opposed to what you paid in. We were given a commercial value using actuary tables based on what you will earn, the taxes and fees you will pay in and the bond is given that value and USA.INC borrows against it and it's all designed to create a profit for the Fed bankers that extend credit they create out of thin air and we insure them for any "loss" they may have after moving their gains to secured locations like Switzerland, the Cayman Islands (which is a haven for secret accounts) or Puerto Rico. They make bad loans on purpose like the housing bubble and then plead empty pockets while accruing hard assets that they can sell again and we stupidly "bail them out". The Promissory note that you sign when you buy a house is the same as if the Federal Reserve bankers printed up the money on a printing press and they "manage" your loan and if you have a 30 year note, you will have paid three times of what you paid for the house while the bank wasn't out a single dime because YOUR signature was as good as the fraudulent fiat currency (backed by nothing of intrinsic value) that the Fed produces. 97 percent of the money in the system is nothing but numbers on a computer screen. The Fed's affiliated banks are struggling to keep the ATMs full and they have been hinting that we need to eliminate paper currency altogether. That should set off the bullshit detector in everyone...this is just a small sample of how the "system" works and everyone of those fuckers in D.C know exactly what I am telling you. Like I said, I have been reading up on this and researching this for a long time.

Jesus Christ on a bicycle.

 

[SwimExpert]

Jesus Christ on a bicycle.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Jesus Christ on a bicycle.

Fuck!

 

[Dale Smith]

Do you pay property taxes? If so, you do not own your home or land.. We were founded as a Republic but it seems that we lost it along the way.

Only a goof thinks taxes means we are not a Republic. Taxes are mentioned in the Constitution and almost every founding charter document of colonies, townships, etc. You are goofy.

Really? Property taxes are in the Constitution? Taxes on the wages of someone bartering his labor in exchange for something of value is in the Constitution? Look up what Allodial rights mean and look up the Supreme Court decisions concerning the income tax and how the 16th amendment did not give the government the right to tax labor. While you are at it, look up what a Promissory note is and how it relates to the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of 1933 and the gold confiscation. This could be a good educational experience for ya.

Labor is not taxed in a barter transaction. The value of goods and services received are taxed.

Do tell? I exchange 8 hours of labor per day for something of value (the fiat currency that I can exchange for goods and services) and "da gubermint"/ Fed bankers believe that they are owed 20 to 25 percent of it because I am surety on the national debt....now, tell me again that my labor isn't taxed????

Have you heard of the 16th Amendment?

The 16th amendment was never signed off by enough states. But that being said, the Supreme Court ruled later that the 16th amendment gave the "gubermint" no new taxing power......they tried it in 1894 as well. The banking oligarchs have always been after control of our monetary system going back to colonial times. That was why the colonists revolted and it was also why the war of 1812 was fought...how do you not know this shit? Do you know what part of the Tsar of Russia played in the Civil War? Probably not because they kept the Rothschild faction from totally taking control of this country. Lots of things you don't know, obviously.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Here's the Bundy's facebook page:

Bundy Ranch

 

[boilermaker55]

It makes real Americans happy too.
They are liars and thieves and bottom dwelling scum

Twenty-one years ago, rancher Cliven Bundy stopped paying his grazing fees.

Bundy does not recognize federal authority over land where his ancestors first settled in the 1880s, which he claims belongs to the state of Nevada. The Bureau of Land Management disagreed and took him to federal court, which first ruled in favor of the BLM in 1998. After years of attempts at a negotiated settlement over the $1.2 million Bundy owes in fees failed, federal land agents began seizing hundreds of his cattle illegally grazing on public land last week.



WHETHER OR NOT CLIVEN BUNDY RECOGNIZES THE UNITED STATES FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS IMMATERIAL.
THE LAND THAT HE HAS BEEN USING, IS NOT HIS, AND EVEN IF IT WERE HIS, HE OWES TAXES TO THE CITY, STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
AND BECAUSE THE LAND IS OWNED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, HE OWES GRAZING FEES FOR THE PRVILEGE OF GRAZING HIS CATTLE THERE.

THE BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT IS THE BOSS IN THIS CASE, AND NOT CLIVEN BUNDY, AND HIS POSSE ARE GUILTY OF WAGING AN AGGRESSIVE WAR AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE GOVERNMENT, AND SHOULD BE SENTENCED TO DEATH.

PERIOD.

What's your point. The Bundy's have all been rounded up and put in jail. That should make all you peta, vegan, and obama apologist very happy.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The alumanutties are cracking up.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Be on a look out for the dangerous Jake Ryan. He dug a latrine that stirred up some ancient indian crap.
Mean while illegals cross ranchers borders breaking fences, littering the countryside, defecating on, and trampling down crops. In once instance a rancher was murdered and the feds and usmb apologist that are so concerned that laws should never be broken are silent

Occupier who feds say dug trench for feces, disturbed sacred artifacts faces charges