Clinton to call for at least 20 days of early voting nationwide

[The Rabbi]

Smart move. It forces the GOP to react than act.

React to what? I have no problem with early voting, but 20 days is unnecessary and that starts to get expensive as well. We have ten days of voting in Nevada. If you can't find time in ten days to make it to the polls then I don't want you voting.

If you are prepared to vote twenty days before the election...who cares if you vote early?

It costs more money. Poll workers have to be paid. Facilities have to be rented out. There is no reason why we need 20 days of voting for an election. It's a non-issue that nobody is going to give a shit about anyhow.

Switzerland have 12 polls last year over 4 days and they do that every year...

Taz here is basically saying that he doesn't like this democracy thing because most of the people don't agree with him

Numbnuts, this isnt Switzerland. He isnt saying anything of the sort.

 

[Statistikhengst]

I think you're assuming facts not in evidence, but feel free to carry on.

Which facts are those?

Facilities? Open already.
Equipment? Only used at election time. Incredibly unlikely that there will be other state wide elections happening within 20 days of a federal election and, even if it were, in Texas--as you know--early in person voting not every polling place open on election day is open during early voting.
Personnel? As stated, this will be an extra cost but its not as if they get paid a huge amount of money anyway. And we would only be talking about a few workers, not the entire election staff.

You can pretend that keeping places open double the time won't cost double, but you're delusional.

As long as you keep pretending that is what I said, I'm comfortable with you looking dumber than usual

Tell me, how many polling places are there in the US and what is the average daily cost of running one? Answer that and then you might have an argument that it won't cost that much.

Polling locations cost almost nothing, they're almost always held in tax sponsored buildings anyway and the staff is paid next to nothing.

In fact, most poll workers do this as volunteer work.

 

[The Rabbi]

Which facts are those?

Facilities? Open already.
Equipment? Only used at election time. Incredibly unlikely that there will be other state wide elections happening within 20 days of a federal election and, even if it were, in Texas--as you know--early in person voting not every polling place open on election day is open during early voting.
Personnel? As stated, this will be an extra cost but its not as if they get paid a huge amount of money anyway. And we would only be talking about a few workers, not the entire election staff.

You can pretend that keeping places open double the time won't cost double, but you're delusional.

As long as you keep pretending that is what I said, I'm comfortable with you looking dumber than usual

Tell me, how many polling places are there in the US and what is the average daily cost of running one? Answer that and then you might have an argument that it won't cost that much.

Polling locations cost almost nothing, they're almost always held in tax sponsored buildings anyway and the staff is paid next to nothing.

In fact, most poll workers do this as volunteer work.

Thank you, capt irrelevant.

 

[Foxfyre]

Which facts are those?

Facilities? Open already.
Equipment? Only used at election time. Incredibly unlikely that there will be other state wide elections happening within 20 days of a federal election and, even if it were, in Texas--as you know--early in person voting not every polling place open on election day is open during early voting.
Personnel? As stated, this will be an extra cost but its not as if they get paid a huge amount of money anyway. And we would only be talking about a few workers, not the entire election staff.

You can pretend that keeping places open double the time won't cost double, but you're delusional.

As long as you keep pretending that is what I said, I'm comfortable with you looking dumber than usual

Tell me, how many polling places are there in the US and what is the average daily cost of running one? Answer that and then you might have an argument that it won't cost that much.

Polling locations cost almost nothing, they're almost always held in tax sponsored buildings anyway and the staff is paid next to nothing.

In fact, most poll workers do this as volunteer work.

But the 'volunteers' are paid as I previously posted. In most states the compensation runs between $100 and $200 per day. You can decline the compensation by signing an affidavit declining it, but they strongly discourage that.

 

[Statistikhengst]

You can pretend that keeping places open double the time won't cost double, but you're delusional.

As long as you keep pretending that is what I said, I'm comfortable with you looking dumber than usual

Tell me, how many polling places are there in the US and what is the average daily cost of running one? Answer that and then you might have an argument that it won't cost that much.

Polling locations cost almost nothing, they're almost always held in tax sponsored buildings anyway and the staff is paid next to nothing.

In fact, most poll workers do this as volunteer work.

But the 'volunteers' are paid as I previously posted. In most states the compensation runs between $100 and $200 per day. You can decline the compensation by signing an affidavit declining it, but they strongly discourage that.

Uhm, no.

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[Foxfyre]

As long as you keep pretending that is what I said, I'm comfortable with you looking dumber than usual

Tell me, how many polling places are there in the US and what is the average daily cost of running one? Answer that and then you might have an argument that it won't cost that much.

Polling locations cost almost nothing, they're almost always held in tax sponsored buildings anyway and the staff is paid next to nothing.

In fact, most poll workers do this as volunteer work.

But the 'volunteers' are paid as I previously posted. In most states the compensation runs between $100 and $200 per day. You can decline the compensation by signing an affidavit declining it, but they strongly discourage that.

Uhm, no.

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Well I worked the polls for a number of years and that's the way it was. Perhaps you have had a different experience?

 

[The Rabbi]

Hillary;s proposal is unconstititonal anyway. States set terms of elections.

 

[Foxfyre]

Hillary;s proposal is unconstititonal anyway. States set terms of elections.

It is unconstitutional if she is promoting it as a federal mandate. I'm not sure she has actually done that though. If she is just urging states to do it, then it falls among her many other toothless and inconsequential 'ideas' in lieu of offering something that really would make a difference but in the grand scheme of things, no harm no foul..

 

[candycorn]

Hillary;s proposal is unconstititonal anyway. States set terms of elections.

It is unconstitutional if she is promoting it as a federal mandate. I'm not sure she has actually done that though. If she is just urging states to do it, then it falls among her many other toothless and inconsequential 'ideas' in lieu of offering something that really would make a difference but in the grand scheme of things, no harm no foul..

No harm no foul? Yeah, keep on thinking that El' dumbo. Here is what just happened. She is field testing an idea that will have broad support because it places more control firmly into the hands of the voters; i.e. voters getting to decide if they want to vote today, or tomorrow, or a week from next Tuesday. Not only that, it is a very simple idea; you get more time to vote.

Is it Constitutional? Irrelevant.

What it will hopefully do is force a response from the GOP who will, by default, be seen as being against extending more control to the electorate. I mean, listen to yourself and your fellow baboons here....

It costs more money. Poll workers have to be paid. Facilities have to be rented out. There is no reason why we need 20 days of voting for an election. It's a non-issue that nobody is going to give a shit about anyhow.

Liberals make the perfect the enemy of the good. So if one person on his way to the voting booth has a heart attack and needs to be rushed to the hospital and can't vote then that is intolerable and we need to set up polling stations in ERs to take care of that contingency.

Tell me what the problem is on one day voting? When I worked days, told the boss going to vote, hop in my truck, grab a cheese burger from Mickey d's stop by the voting place and vote and back to work in the hour. Not that complicated if your not on the government dole and need bus passes and the like.

And of course, it wouldn't be a true GOP post without profanity...

...there is no need to reinvent the wheel just because some commie ***** says it's a good idea.

If this is what the Clinton campaign is going to look like in 2016, the GOP better come up with a different vocabulary to combat simple, practical, hard-headed policies that will have broad support among the American people. Because you guys sound like a bunch of idiots opposing something and coming up with lame excuse after lame excuse while doing it.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

If this is what the Clinton campaign is going to look like in 2016, the GOP better come up with a different vocabulary to combat simple, practical, hard-headed policies that will have broad support among the American people. Because you guys sound like a bunch of idiots opposing something and coming up with lame excuse after lame excuse while doing it.

No, the idiots are people who actually believe making a giant push for 20 days of voting is actually going to resonate with people as opposed to the real issues of the day, such as employment, inflated costs of living and education, foreign affairs, erosion of civil liberties, etc.

 

[candycorn]

If this is what the Clinton campaign is going to look like in 2016, the GOP better come up with a different vocabulary to combat simple, practical, hard-headed policies that will have broad support among the American people. Because you guys sound like a bunch of idiots opposing something and coming up with lame excuse after lame excuse while doing it.

No, the idiots are people who actually believe making a giant push for 20 days of voting is actually going to resonate with people as opposed to the real issues of the day, such as employment, inflated costs of living and education, foreign affairs, erosion of civil liberties, etc.

Wow, those are all important issues. And guess what, everyone who is running for President has (or will) state that they will solve the issues. Everyone who has run for President in the last one zillion years has too. Meanwhile, employment has fluctuated, the rest of the world has caught up with us and surpassed us in terms of education on standardized tests, foreign affairs has something around 0 votes outside of someone who is going to lose them by wanting to be the world's policeman or overly imperialistic, and the mythical erosion of civil liberties is something that nobody is going to touch. Let me ask you this; when you get around to reading the proposals and white papers and plans, in the back of your mind are you saying "yeah sure"? I am.

See, folks, a skilled politician or, more correctly, skilled campaign has the standard 15 point programs (or whatever) to address big issues. And they have a few simple and easy to understand initiatives that are not meant to be the centerpieces of their campaign but to lend itself to some differentiation between them and the others.

This was the intent of the proposal. As we move forward, you'll see it trip up some of the GOP
contenders.

 

[OKTexas]

As long as you keep pretending that is what I said, I'm comfortable with you looking dumber than usual

Tell me, how many polling places are there in the US and what is the average daily cost of running one? Answer that and then you might have an argument that it won't cost that much.

Polling locations cost almost nothing, they're almost always held in tax sponsored buildings anyway and the staff is paid next to nothing.

In fact, most poll workers do this as volunteer work.

But the 'volunteers' are paid as I previously posted. In most states the compensation runs between $100 and $200 per day. You can decline the compensation by signing an affidavit declining it, but they strongly discourage that.

Uhm, no.

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[The Rabbi]

Tell me, how many polling places are there in the US and what is the average daily cost of running one? Answer that and then you might have an argument that it won't cost that much.

Polling locations cost almost nothing, they're almost always held in tax sponsored buildings anyway and the staff is paid next to nothing.

In fact, most poll workers do this as volunteer work.

But the 'volunteers' are paid as I previously posted. In most states the compensation runs between $100 and $200 per day. You can decline the compensation by signing an affidavit declining it, but they strongly discourage that.

Uhm, no.

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That's a joke, right?

 

[OKTexas]

Polling locations cost almost nothing, they're almost always held in tax sponsored buildings anyway and the staff is paid next to nothing.

In fact, most poll workers do this as volunteer work.

But the 'volunteers' are paid as I previously posted. In most states the compensation runs between $100 and $200 per day. You can decline the compensation by signing an affidavit declining it, but they strongly discourage that.

Uhm, no.

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That's a joke, right?

Nope, the DA keeps saying it, let it back it up.

 

[Flopper]

As long as you keep pretending that is what I said, I'm comfortable with you looking dumber than usual

Tell me, how many polling places are there in the US and what is the average daily cost of running one? Answer that and then you might have an argument that it won't cost that much.

I don't think you understand early voting. Neighborhood polling places don't have to be kept open for early voting.

First off, early voting is already being done in 33 states. Most of those states use mail in ballots the same as they use for absentee voting. 10 more states allow voters to apply in person a short time before the election to apply for an absentee ballot to be mailed. That leaves only 7 states with no early voting.

The problem is not that early voting is not allowed. States don't make voters aware that it's available nor do they make it easy. In many cases, early voting is more inconvenient than going to your normal polling place on election day.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/absentee-and-early-voting.aspx

I don't think you read the thread title, you want 20 days of early voting?

Colorado, Washington, and Oregon vote by mail. Ballots are sent out about 3 weeks before election day. Essential all votes are sent in before election day. Most votes are received at least 10 days before the election. Almost everyone votes early.

How do they know they're not sending ballots to dead or incapacitated people and being filled in by someone else?

A ballot is sent to each registered voter and it can't be forwarded. Voter registration rolls are purged by the registrar. The voter must sign the ballot using the same signature as on the voter registration. Any registered voter may challenge a ballot or a registration.

 

[OKTexas]

Tell me, how many polling places are there in the US and what is the average daily cost of running one? Answer that and then you might have an argument that it won't cost that much.

I don't think you understand early voting. Neighborhood polling places don't have to be kept open for early voting.

First off, early voting is already being done in 33 states. Most of those states use mail in ballots the same as they use for absentee voting. 10 more states allow voters to apply in person a short time before the election to apply for an absentee ballot to be mailed. That leaves only 7 states with no early voting.

The problem is not that early voting is not allowed. States don't make voters aware that it's available nor do they make it easy. In many cases, early voting is more inconvenient than going to your normal polling place on election day.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/absentee-and-early-voting.aspx

I don't think you read the thread title, you want 20 days of early voting?

Colorado, Washington, and Oregon vote by mail. Ballots are sent out about 3 weeks before election day. Essential all votes are sent in before election day. Most votes are received at least 10 days before the election. Almost everyone votes early.

How do they know they're not sending ballots to dead or incapacitated people and being filled in by someone else?

A ballot is sent to each registered voter and it can't be forwarded. Voter registration rolls are purged by the registrar. The voter must sign the ballot using the same signature as on the voter registration. Any registered voter may challenge a ballot or a registration.

So you're saying they don't know unless someone happens to get the signature verified. Sounds a bit flaky to me.

 

[Flopper]

I don't think you understand early voting. Neighborhood polling places don't have to be kept open for early voting.

First off, early voting is already being done in 33 states. Most of those states use mail in ballots the same as they use for absentee voting. 10 more states allow voters to apply in person a short time before the election to apply for an absentee ballot to be mailed. That leaves only 7 states with no early voting.

The problem is not that early voting is not allowed. States don't make voters aware that it's available nor do they make it easy. In many cases, early voting is more inconvenient than going to your normal polling place on election day.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/absentee-and-early-voting.aspx

I don't think you read the thread title, you want 20 days of early voting?

Colorado, Washington, and Oregon vote by mail. Ballots are sent out about 3 weeks before election day. Essential all votes are sent in before election day. Most votes are received at least 10 days before the election. Almost everyone votes early.

How do they know they're not sending ballots to dead or incapacitated people and being filled in by someone else?

A ballot is sent to each registered voter and it can't be forwarded. Voter registration rolls are purged by the registrar. The voter must sign the ballot using the same signature as on the voter registration. Any registered voter may challenge a ballot or a registration.

So you're saying they don't know unless someone happens to get the signature verified. Sounds a bit flaky to me.

The signature on all ballots are checked. The first step in processing is to checked the signature on the outside of envelope against the signature on file in the voter registration record to make sure they match. If they do not match, the ballot is not processed and returned to the voter. Any registered voter may visit the county registrar's office to watch ballot processing.

Unlike election day voting where ballots must processed in just hours, most mail ballots are received a number days before election day allowing more time for processing.

 

[OKTexas]

I don't think you read the thread title, you want 20 days of early voting?

Colorado, Washington, and Oregon vote by mail. Ballots are sent out about 3 weeks before election day. Essential all votes are sent in before election day. Most votes are received at least 10 days before the election. Almost everyone votes early.

How do they know they're not sending ballots to dead or incapacitated people and being filled in by someone else?

A ballot is sent to each registered voter and it can't be forwarded. Voter registration rolls are purged by the registrar. The voter must sign the ballot using the same signature as on the voter registration. Any registered voter may challenge a ballot or a registration.

So you're saying they don't know unless someone happens to get the signature verified. Sounds a bit flaky to me.

The signature on all ballots are checked. The first step in processing is to checked the signature on the outside of envelope against the signature on file in the voter registration record to make sure they match. If they do not match, the ballot is not processed and returned to the voter. Any registered voter may visit the county registrar's office to watch ballot processing.

Unlike election day voting where ballots must processed in just hours, most mail ballots are received a number days before election day allowing more time for processing.

I don't care how many days there are, as an example CO cast 2.569 million ballots in 2012, there is now way to physically check every ballot and do it properly.

 

[Flopper]

Colorado, Washington, and Oregon vote by mail. Ballots are sent out about 3 weeks before election day. Essential all votes are sent in before election day. Most votes are received at least 10 days before the election. Almost everyone votes early.

How do they know they're not sending ballots to dead or incapacitated people and being filled in by someone else?

A ballot is sent to each registered voter and it can't be forwarded. Voter registration rolls are purged by the registrar. The voter must sign the ballot using the same signature as on the voter registration. Any registered voter may challenge a ballot or a registration.

So you're saying they don't know unless someone happens to get the signature verified. Sounds a bit flaky to me.

The signature on all ballots are checked. The first step in processing is to checked the signature on the outside of envelope against the signature on file in the voter registration record to make sure they match. If they do not match, the ballot is not processed and returned to the voter. Any registered voter may visit the county registrar's office to watch ballot processing.

Unlike election day voting where ballots must processed in just hours, most mail ballots are received a number days before election day allowing more time for processing.

I don't care how many days there are, as an example CO cast 2.569 million ballots in 2012, there is now way to physically check every ballot and do it properly.

Checking a signature only takes a second or so. It's a cursor inspection but it does the job just a well as the 80 year old volunteer at a polling place checking a 5 to 10 year old drivers license.

 

[OKTexas]

How do they know they're not sending ballots to dead or incapacitated people and being filled in by someone else?

A ballot is sent to each registered voter and it can't be forwarded. Voter registration rolls are purged by the registrar. The voter must sign the ballot using the same signature as on the voter registration. Any registered voter may challenge a ballot or a registration.

So you're saying they don't know unless someone happens to get the signature verified. Sounds a bit flaky to me.

The signature on all ballots are checked. The first step in processing is to checked the signature on the outside of envelope against the signature on file in the voter registration record to make sure they match. If they do not match, the ballot is not processed and returned to the voter. Any registered voter may visit the county registrar's office to watch ballot processing.

Unlike election day voting where ballots must processed in just hours, most mail ballots are received a number days before election day allowing more time for processing.

I don't care how many days there are, as an example CO cast 2.569 million ballots in 2012, there is now way to physically check every ballot and do it properly.

Checking a signature only takes a second or so. It's a cursor inspection but it does the job just a well as the 80 year old volunteer at a polling place checking a 5 to 10 year old drivers license.

Just sounds like an invitation for fraud to me, but if they're happy with it, what ever.