Billo_Really
Litre of the Band
You're one of the dumbest posters at this website, so I wouldn't go there if I were you, junior.
Dante
I have always been here
Kondor3
The Logan Act may or may not be Constitutional as it has never been tested, but only a complete imbecile would think Congress is protected in the act.
actually, your ignorance is astounding. The government negotiating treaties and other things is the Executive. Everyone understands that part -- everyone but you few wingnutty tools.
The Logan Act may or may not be Constitutional as it has never been tested, but only a complete imbecile would think Congress is protected in the act.
Dante
I have always been here
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Harry Dresden
Only Adamantium Member
when things are done just to be Politically Correct,everyone should be offended......
Harry Dresden
Only Adamantium Member
tell em Ludd.....they should be more like you,just address the OP.....never go off topic....
Dante
I have always been here
There is right wing and left wing pc --- if I were to be offended by it all the time I would implode
RetiredGySgt
Diamond Member
Lets see the Logan act does not apply to Senators because they have a direct Constitutional power to be involved in all Treaties.
Oh, I can be as dumb as a box-o-rox from time to time, nolo contendere.
Incorrect.
The Executive is one BRANCH of the Government.
The Legislative is ANOTHER BRANCH of the Government.
The Judicial is yet ANOTHER BRANCH of the Government.
All three, taken TOGETHER, comprise the Government of the United States.
The Logan Act merely speaks to such actions undertaken by parties who do NOT have the authority of the United States government.
The Logan Act is silent with respect to whether either the Legislative or Judicial branches OF the Government may undertake such actions.
Congress does not need such authorization because Congress is an integral and equal partner IN the Government.
Your inability to discern and concede that glaringly obvious fact speaks to your own probable intellectual deficiency(ies) rather than my own.
I am content.
1. everyone does, indeed, understand that the Executive branch of government is given the Constitutional responsibility for conducting foreign policy.
2 the Congress is not conducting foreign policy - merely influencing it in a highly visible and substantive matter - because it does not trust the Executive.
3. I am neither a wingnut nor a tool... nor are a great many other of your fellow Americans who do not (or no longer) trust Obumble.
Well, that makes TWO of us who have gotten a good laugh out of your interpretation....The Logan Act may or may not be Constitutional as it has never been tested, but only a complete imbecile would think Congress is protected in the act.
Wake me up when the Justice Department delivers indictments against individual members of Congress for violating the Logan Act, in connection with The Letter.
Next contestant, please.
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Dante
I have always been here
All three branches of government do NOT negotiate a treaty. Have you read anything about the Jay Treaty?Oh, I can be as dumb as a box-o-rox from time to time, nolo contendere.
Incorrect.
The Executive is one BRANCH of the Government.
The Legislative is ANOTHER BRANCH of the Government.
The Judicial is yet ANOTHER BRANCH of the Government.
All three, taken TOGETHER, comprise the Government of the United States.
The Logan Act merely speaks to such actions undertaken by parties who do NOT have the authority of the United States government.
The Logan Act is silent with respect to whether either the Legislative or Judicial branches OF the Government may undertake such actions.
Congress does not need such authorization because Congress is an integral and equal partner IN the Government.
Your inability to discern and concede that glaringly obvious fact speaks to your own probable intellectual deficiency(ies) rather than my own.
I am content.
1. everyone does, indeed, understand that the Executive branch of government is given the Constitutional responsibility for conducting foreign policy.
2 the Congress is not conducting foreign policy - merely influencing it in a highly visible and substantive matter - because it does not trust the Executive.
3. I am neither a wingnut nor a tool... nor are a great many other of your fellow Americans who do not (or no longer) trust Obumble.
Well, that makes TWO of us who have gotten a good laugh out of your interpretation....The Logan Act may or may not be Constitutional as it has never been tested, but only a complete imbecile would think Congress is protected in the act.
Wake me up when the Justice Department delivers indictments against individual members of Congress for violating the Logan Act, in connection with The Letter.
Next contestant, please.
Do you often struggle with reading and comprehension? You do know Dante did not say anyone would be charged. Actually, Dante has written no is ever charged with violations of it.
But you are a complete imbecile if you claim the Congress is shielded from the act. Unless of course you think the Congress has the power to make and undermine treaties and hold their own negotiations with foreign governments.
C_Clayton_Jones
Diamond Member
"Clearly the GOP violated the Logan Act. Should they be prosecuted?"
Actually not.
But the American people will have an opportunity to pass judgement come 2016.
Actually not.
But the American people will have an opportunity to pass judgement come 2016.
Dante
I have always been here
So you agree with the State Dept ruling? The State Dept gets to say who violates a law?All three branches of government do NOT negotiate a treaty. Have you read anything about the Jay Treaty?Oh, I can be as dumb as a box-o-rox from time to time, nolo contendere.
Incorrect.
The Executive is one BRANCH of the Government.
The Legislative is ANOTHER BRANCH of the Government.
The Judicial is yet ANOTHER BRANCH of the Government.
All three, taken TOGETHER, comprise the Government of the United States.
The Logan Act merely speaks to such actions undertaken by parties who do NOT have the authority of the United States government.
The Logan Act is silent with respect to whether either the Legislative or Judicial branches OF the Government may undertake such actions.
Congress does not need such authorization because Congress is an integral and equal partner IN the Government.
Your inability to discern and concede that glaringly obvious fact speaks to your own probable intellectual deficiency(ies) rather than my own.
I am content.
1. everyone does, indeed, understand that the Executive branch of government is given the Constitutional responsibility for conducting foreign policy.
2 the Congress is not conducting foreign policy - merely influencing it in a highly visible and substantive matter - because it does not trust the Executive.
3. I am neither a wingnut nor a tool... nor are a great many other of your fellow Americans who do not (or no longer) trust Obumble.
Well, that makes TWO of us who have gotten a good laugh out of your interpretation....The Logan Act may or may not be Constitutional as it has never been tested, but only a complete imbecile would think Congress is protected in the act.
Wake me up when the Justice Department delivers indictments against individual members of Congress for violating the Logan Act, in connection with The Letter.
Next contestant, please.
Do you often struggle with reading and comprehension? You do know Dante did not say anyone would be charged. Actually, Dante has written no is ever charged with violations of it.
But you are a complete imbecile if you claim the Congress is shielded from the act. Unless of course you think the Congress has the power to make and undermine treaties and hold their own negotiations with foreign governments.
Ted Kennedy tried to get rid of it. What happened?
Good thing for me then, that I didn't claim that Congress was negotiating with a foreign power, eh? Whew! Close call !All three branches of government do NOT negotiate a treaty. Have you read anything about the Jay Treaty?Oh, I can be as dumb as a box-o-rox from time to time, nolo contendere.
Incorrect.
The Executive is one BRANCH of the Government.
The Legislative is ANOTHER BRANCH of the Government.
The Judicial is yet ANOTHER BRANCH of the Government.
All three, taken TOGETHER, comprise the Government of the United States.
The Logan Act merely speaks to such actions undertaken by parties who do NOT have the authority of the United States government.
The Logan Act is silent with respect to whether either the Legislative or Judicial branches OF the Government may undertake such actions.
Congress does not need such authorization because Congress is an integral and equal partner IN the Government.
Your inability to discern and concede that glaringly obvious fact speaks to your own probable intellectual deficiency(ies) rather than my own.
I am content.
1. everyone does, indeed, understand that the Executive branch of government is given the Constitutional responsibility for conducting foreign policy.
2 the Congress is not conducting foreign policy - merely influencing it in a highly visible and substantive matter - because it does not trust the Executive.
3. I am neither a wingnut nor a tool... nor are a great many other of your fellow Americans who do not (or no longer) trust Obumble.
Well, that makes TWO of us who have gotten a good laugh out of your interpretation....The Logan Act may or may not be Constitutional as it has never been tested, but only a complete imbecile would think Congress is protected in the act.
Wake me up when the Justice Department delivers indictments against individual members of Congress for violating the Logan Act, in connection with The Letter.
Next contestant, please.
Do you often struggle with reading and comprehension? You do know Dante did not say anyone would be charged. Actually, Dante has written no is ever charged with violations of it.
But you are a complete imbecile if you claim the Congress is shielded from the act. Unless of course you think the Congress has the power to make and undermine treaties and hold their own negotiations with foreign governments.
Vigilante
Diamond Member
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Dante
I have always been here
Unless of course you think the Congress has the power to make and undermine treaties and hold their own negotiations with foreign governments.Good thing for me then, that I didn't claim that Congress was negotiating with a foreign power, eh? Whew! Close call !All three branches of government do NOT negotiate a treaty. Have you read anything about the Jay Treaty?Oh, I can be as dumb as a box-o-rox from time to time, nolo contendere.
Incorrect.
The Executive is one BRANCH of the Government.
The Legislative is ANOTHER BRANCH of the Government.
The Judicial is yet ANOTHER BRANCH of the Government.
All three, taken TOGETHER, comprise the Government of the United States.
The Logan Act merely speaks to such actions undertaken by parties who do NOT have the authority of the United States government.
The Logan Act is silent with respect to whether either the Legislative or Judicial branches OF the Government may undertake such actions.
Congress does not need such authorization because Congress is an integral and equal partner IN the Government.
Your inability to discern and concede that glaringly obvious fact speaks to your own probable intellectual deficiency(ies) rather than my own.
I am content.
1. everyone does, indeed, understand that the Executive branch of government is given the Constitutional responsibility for conducting foreign policy.
2 the Congress is not conducting foreign policy - merely influencing it in a highly visible and substantive matter - because it does not trust the Executive.
3. I am neither a wingnut nor a tool... nor are a great many other of your fellow Americans who do not (or no longer) trust Obumble.
Well, that makes TWO of us who have gotten a good laugh out of your interpretation....The Logan Act may or may not be Constitutional as it has never been tested, but only a complete imbecile would think Congress is protected in the act.
Wake me up when the Justice Department delivers indictments against individual members of Congress for violating the Logan Act, in connection with The Letter.
Next contestant, please.
Do you often struggle with reading and comprehension? You do know Dante did not say anyone would be charged. Actually, Dante has written no is ever charged with violations of it.
But you are a complete imbecile if you claim the Congress is shielded from the act. Unless of course you think the Congress has the power to make and undermine treaties and hold their own negotiations with foreign governments.
Nope. Never said so. Never believed so.
But the Senate has the right of advice and consent with respect to treaties, and withholding of 'consent' serves as a 'legislative veto' of a President's actions, and, when coupled with the Power of the National Purse, as held by the House, this makes the President accountable to the Congress de facto, with respect to treaties.
In this instance, with much of Congress not trusting this President to negotiate a nuclear treaty with Iran that would be in the best interests of the United States, members of Congress merely put the other side on notice that Congress would be examining this particular treaty very closely, and, if found not to its liking, would not approve it, and, if enacted in the form of an executive agreement rather than a formal treaty, that the Congress would not honor its terms, once the naive, un-trusted executive has left office.
Unusual, but well within their Constitutional and ethical mandate, and a fine example of Checks-and-Balances being played-out even before the outcome was known.
And, of course, given the denials that have since issued-forth from Iranian clerical leadership, disavowing many of the terms that the Obumble Administration had been beating the drum about, well, it would appear that those Congress-folk were dead-on-target after all... the didn't screw the deal... the deal never really existed... as the Iranians have proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
What Obumble's people told the American People, and Reality, as it pertains to what the Iranians will agree to, are two entirely different things.
As any amateur could have so easily guessed, in dealing with such obviously militant and aggressive religious fanatics...
Yea it sure is great the the Republicans are willing to screw up any agreement with Iran. And of course the Iranians, knowing they will never get a deal with Obama in the WH and Clinton getting ready for the WH, and the asshole Republicans holding Congress hostage, they (the Iranians) will probably say **** it and move forward as fast as they can to make a nuke.
Thanks a lot Rethugs.
Newsflash, mine good colleague... there never WAS a 'deal'... there never COULD have been a 'deal'... Iran wants nukes... all they were ever doing is stalling.
Anyone who believes otherwise is even more naive than those fellows in the White House and the State Department who have been channeling the ghost of Neville Chamberlain.
And, DO note that the Iranian ayatollahs are NOT saying that they're pulling out, because the American Congress will not honor the terms of any such agreement.
The Iranian ayatollahs are saying that the terms being publicly announced by the American side are NOT the ones they had provisionally agreed to in Geneva.
BIG FRIGGING DIFFERENCE.
Hopefully, your powers of perception and discernment are sufficient to (grudgingly) acknowledge the difference between pulling out due to lack of support, versus denying the terms being announced by the other side.
And, if you cannot (or will not) acknowledge such differences, well, perhaps you're a bit too far 'gone' down the road of hyper-partisanship to see Reality for what it is.
With any luck, that's not the case.
As for myself, I'm no fan of the Pubs (although I see them as marginally more competent than Dems, but not by much)...
But I'll give 'em props for calling THIS one correctly...
A blind man could have seen this one coming a mile away...
Only naive, foolhardy, rainbows-and-unicorns hopey-changey types could possibly believe otherwise...
It's just not the way the Real World works...
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Dante
I have always been here
You say no, but then you go and contradict yourself.
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