Clash of Civilizations

[Meathead]

Typical narrow mindedness! Judge an entire nation by actions of a few criminals? Are you forgetting the heydays of the KKK where lynching Blacks almost became a national past time? Some of the bodies were still clad in the uniforms of American soldiers.

A far more current and poignant example would be judging all of America by black crime rates. But I understand you couldn't bring yourself to do it.

 

[Meathead]

Typical narrow mindedness! Judge an entire nation by actions of a few criminals? Are you forgetting the heydays of the KKK where lynching Blacks almost became a national past time? Some of the bodies were still clad in the uniforms of American soldiers.

A far more current and poignant example would be judging all of America by black crime rates. But I understand you couldn't bring yourself to do it.

See?

Study: Nearly Half of Black Men Arrested by Age 23 - ABC News

 

[Peterf]

No, I had never heard of SUSIS. I googled it and found it to be a Saudi propaganda site.

I Have lived and worked in two Muslim countries, Iran and Kuwait. The experience only strengthened my distrust of Islam. I hope you will forgive for not being entirely convinced that those tens of thousands of Americans came home unanimously loving Islam. I doubt if the US diplomats held hostage in the Tehran embassy did, to cite but one example.

SUSRIS is an excellent source of accurate information..

Well you can see for yourself at ARAMCO Annuitants or ARAMCO Brats.

The Shah was a bad actor and the Brits screwed up in Iran.

The Shah was bringing Iran into the modern world, freeing its people, and eliminating the radical muslim fanatics.

you may not like his methods, but he was doing what it took to modernize that country,

Now they are moving back into the 11th century---but with nukes thanks to obama.

That was the conclusion I reached after living in Iran. The Shah had his faults but was far better than the murderous regime that succeeded him.

Before he was deposed the useful idiots on the left imagined a secular, free Iranian democracy. They couldn't have been more wrong.

 

[Peterf]

SUSRIS is an excellent source of accurate information..

Well you can see for yourself at ARAMCO Annuitants or ARAMCO Brats.

The Shah was a bad actor and the Brits screwed up in Iran.

The Shah was bringing Iran into the modern world, freeing its people, and eliminating the radical muslim fanatics.

you may not like his methods, but he was doing what it took to modernize that country,

Now they are moving back into the 11th century---but with nukes thanks to obama.

Really? Why was he forced into exile? Why did they want to execute him?

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Because the process of education and modernisation was incomplete and the ignorant masses supported the Islamic fanatics. Do you have any more questions with easy answers?

 

[JoeB131]

European immigrants made up the great and overwhelming majoirty of our immigrants up to 1965 when LBJ rammed through a radical change in our immigration policy that for the first time allowed third world immigrants to come here in huge numbers...not even to mention all the illegal immigrants from 3rd world nations that were allowed to slip in.........European immigrants brought with them a similr religious belief, were well educated and had job skills.... they did implement bits and pieces of their cultures into the whole of America rather than clinging to their former homes singular culture. They were proud to become Americans, they did not want to "go home" because America was their home. They taught their children to speak only English and learn American ways rather than their former ways. They dressed as Americans, ate American food, bought American products, learned and celebrated American holidays. And yes, they fought for their freedom that they found in America. Because American culture's foundation is freedom

Contrast the above scenario with the sort of immigrants this nation is now overwhelmed with.

This is not rocket science folks..............the problem being the White Working Class is not politially astute....they are watching sports as their class is being preyed on and systmatically destroyed.

Uh, guy, you really don't know what you are talking about.

Most of these immigrants you are crapping your pants over assimiliate better and faster than our ancestors did.

For instance, when I was growing up in Chicago in the 1960's, you still had your Polish neighborhoods, your Irish neighborhoods, your Italian Neighborhoods.... even though you had your second or third generation. It really wasn't until they all started moving out to the Suburbs they lost their "ethnic" identies.

But frankly, the Hispanic and Asian immigrants are speaking letter perfect English by the second generation taht they are here.

The real divide isn't between race, it's by class.

The wealthy white guys who are telling you that minority wants half your cookie when he's just wolfed down the other 10 is not your friend.

 

[JoeB131]

No, I had never heard of SUSIS. I googled it and found it to be a Saudi propaganda site.

I Have lived and worked in two Muslim countries, Iran and Kuwait. The experience only strengthened my distrust of Islam. I hope you will forgive for not being entirely convinced that those tens of thousands of Americans came home unanimously loving Islam. I doubt if the US diplomats held hostage in the Tehran embassy did, to cite but one example.

SUSRIS is an excellent source of accurate information..

Well you can see for yourself at ARAMCO Annuitants or ARAMCO Brats.

The Shah was a bad actor and the Brits screwed up in Iran.

The Shah was bringing Iran into the modern world, freeing its people, and eliminating the radical muslim fanatics.

you may not like his methods, but he was doing what it took to modernize that country,

Now they are moving back into the 11th century---but with nukes thanks to obama.

The Shah was doing nothing of the sort.

The Shah overthrew a democratically elected Prime Minister and established a personal dictatorship. This included a secret police that terrorized dissenters.

And the fact was, the Shah didn't have the moral authority to go after the "Radical Mulsims", so they became the only viable oppossition force. All the nice, sensible Western Educated Iranians were either exiled or executed. So when the Shah fell, the Mullahs were the only ones who could maintain order.

 

[Dot Com]

European immigrants made up the great and overwhelming majoirty of our immigrants up to 1965 when LBJ rammed through a radical change in our immigration policy that for the first time allowed third world immigrants to come here in huge numbers...not even to mention all the illegal immigrants from 3rd world nations that were allowed to slip in.........European immigrants brought with them a similr religious belief, were well educated and had job skills.... they did implement bits and pieces of their cultures into the whole of America rather than clinging to their former homes singular culture. They were proud to become Americans, they did not want to "go home" because America was their home. They taught their children to speak only English and learn American ways rather than their former ways. They dressed as Americans, ate American food, bought American products, learned and celebrated American holidays. And yes, they fought for their freedom that they found in America. Because American culture's foundation is freedom

Contrast the above scenario with the sort of immigrants this nation is now overwhelmed with.

This is not rocket science folks..............the problem being the White Working Class is not politially astute....they are watching sports as their class is being preyed on and systmatically destroyed.

Uh, guy, you really don't know what you are talking about.

Most of these immigrants you are crapping your pants over assimiliate better and faster than our ancestors did.

For instance, when I was growing up in Chicago in the 1960's, you still had your Polish neighborhoods, your Irish neighborhoods, your Italian Neighborhoods.... even though you had your second or third generation. It really wasn't until they all started moving out to the Suburbs they lost their "ethnic" identies.

But frankly, the Hispanic and Asian immigrants are speaking letter perfect English by the second generation taht they are here.

The real divide isn't between race, it's by class.

The wealthy white guys who are telling you that minority wants half your cookie when he's just wolfed down the other 10 is not your friend.

yep. If there are ten cookies, the status quo white rich guy will take 9 and tell you the immigrant is trying to take the other one.

 

[Mac1958]

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We're no longer a "melting pot", as identity Politics has successfully divided us into distinct, narcissistic groups.

Now it's every group for itself.

.

 

[Sallow]

Multiculturalism became national policy sometime ago...........how that happened should be understood.............the American People were never allow to vote on or approve such an agenda...it was pushed through in a underhanded manner by liberal academics, politicians and so forth to the point where now anyone who attempts to question the wisdom of such a policy is automatically demonized as racist.

But America is hardly alone in this 'Class of Civilizations' and 'Cultural Wars'

Let us look at what is happening in France.........................Interview: French Philosopher Finkielkraut on Muslims and Integration - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Yeah.

Some "Time Ago".

As in when the Constitution was written.

 

[Sallow]

SUSRIS is an excellent source of accurate information..

Well you can see for yourself at ARAMCO Annuitants or ARAMCO Brats.

The Shah was a bad actor and the Brits screwed up in Iran.

The Shah was bringing Iran into the modern world, freeing its people, and eliminating the radical muslim fanatics.

you may not like his methods, but he was doing what it took to modernize that country,

Now they are moving back into the 11th century---but with nukes thanks to obama.

The Shah was doing nothing of the sort.

The Shah overthrew a democratically elected Prime Minister and established a personal dictatorship. This included a secret police that terrorized dissenters.

And the fact was, the Shah didn't have the moral authority to go after the "Radical Mulsims", so they became the only viable oppossition force. All the nice, sensible Western Educated Iranians were either exiled or executed. So when the Shah fell, the Mullahs were the only ones who could maintain order.

Basically it was the Shah that caused "radical muslims".

One of the only places he wasn't chasing political opponents around in were mosques.

And that's were the "radicals" started hiding.

 

[JoeB131]

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We're no longer a "melting pot", as identity Politics has successfully divided us into distinct, narcissistic groups.

Now it's every group for itself.

.

Ooooh, "Identity Politics". Kind of like "Political Correctness". Got to love those code words and dog whistles.

You know, you guys were a lot more honest when you wore sheets and burned crosses.

 

[Sallow]

The Shah was bringing Iran into the modern world, freeing its people, and eliminating the radical muslim fanatics.

you may not like his methods, but he was doing what it took to modernize that country,

Now they are moving back into the 11th century---but with nukes thanks to obama.

Really? Why was he forced into exile? Why did they want to execute him?

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Because the process of education and modernisation was incomplete and the ignorant masses supported the Islamic fanatics. Do you have any more questions with easy answers?

You seriously need to pick up a book.

1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

n the 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup, the Prime Minister of Iran Mohammad Mosaddegh was overthrown on 19 August 1953. The coup d'état was orchestrated by the United Kingdom (under the name 'Operation Boot') and the United States (under the name TPAJAX Project).[3][4][5][6]

Mossadegh had sought to reduce the semi-absolute role of the Shah granted by the Constitution of 1906, thus making Iran a full democracy, and to nationalize the Iranian oil industry, consisting of vast oil reserves and the Abadan Refinery, both owned by the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, a British corporation (now BP).[7][8][9] A military government under General Fazlollah Zahedi was formed which allowed Mohammad-Rezā Shāh Pahlavi, the Shah of Iran (Persian for an Iranian king),[9] to effectively rule the country as an absolute monarch according to the constitution. He relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979.[7][8][9][10] In August 2013 the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) admitted that it was involved in both the planning and the execution of the coup, including the bribing of Iranian politicians, security and army high-ranking officials, as well as pro-coup propaganda.[11][12] The CIA is quoted acknowledging the coup was carried out "under CIA direction" and "as an act of U.S. foreign policy, conceived and approved at the highest levels of government." [13]

In 1951, Iran's oil industry was nationalized with near-unanimous support of Iran's parliament in a bill introduced by Mossadegh who led the nationalist party the National Front. Iran's oil had been controlled by the British-owned AIOC.[14] Popular discontent with the AIOC began in the late 1940s: a large segment of Iran's public and a number of politicians saw the company as exploitative and a central tool of continued British imperialism in Iran.[7][15] Despite Mosaddegh's popular support, Britain was unwilling to negotiate on its single most valuable foreign asset, and instigated a worldwide boycott of Iranian oil to pressure Iran economically.[16] Initially, Britain mobilized its military to seize control of the Abadan oil refinery, then the world's largest, but Prime Minister Clement Attlee opted instead to tighten the economic boycott[17] while using Iranian agents to undermine Mosaddegh's government.[18] With a change to more conservative governments in both Britain and the United States, Winston Churchill and the Eisenhower administration decided to overthrow Iran's government though the predecessor Truman administration had opposed a coup.[19] Classified documents show British intelligence officials played a pivotal role in initiating and planning the coup, and that AIOC contributed $25,000 towards the expense of bribing officials.[20]

 

[rightwinger]

America has always had multiculturism

It is what made us a great country

 

[Meathead]

America has always had multiculturism

It is what made us a great country

No, it wasn't. America was a country of assimilation. It is multiculturalism which is turning Western civilization into a third-world shithole.

 

[Mac1958]

.

We're no longer a "melting pot", as identity Politics has successfully divided us into distinct, narcissistic groups.

Now it's every group for itself.

.

Ooooh, "Identity Politics". Kind of like "Political Correctness". Got to love those code words and dog whistles.

You know, you guys were a lot more honest when you wore sheets and burned crosses.

Yes, the standard mix of partisan ideology (diversion) and Political Correctness (jumping right to racism in an effort to put me on the defensive), all in a transparent effort to avoid the point.

At least you folks are consistent, I'll give you that. You're liars, but you're consistent.

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[Redfish]

America has always had multiculturism

It is what made us a great country

Yes, but in the past everyone was an american first and an italian, greek, brit, german, african, etc second.

Now, each ethnic or racial group wants its own identity and culture and want to denigrate the "american" culture as something negative.

 

[Redfish]

America has always had multiculturism

It is what made us a great country

No, it wasn't. America was a country of assimilation. It is multiculturalism which is turning Western civilization into a third-world shithole.

correct

 

[Redfish]

Really? Why was he forced into exile? Why did they want to execute him?

.

Because the process of education and modernisation was incomplete and the ignorant masses supported the Islamic fanatics. Do you have any more questions with easy answers?

You seriously need to pick up a book.

1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

n the 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup, the Prime Minister of Iran Mohammad Mosaddegh was overthrown on 19 August 1953. The coup d'état was orchestrated by the United Kingdom (under the name 'Operation Boot') and the United States (under the name TPAJAX Project).[3][4][5][6]

Mossadegh had sought to reduce the semi-absolute role of the Shah granted by the Constitution of 1906, thus making Iran a full democracy, and to nationalize the Iranian oil industry, consisting of vast oil reserves and the Abadan Refinery, both owned by the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, a British corporation (now BP).[7][8][9] A military government under General Fazlollah Zahedi was formed which allowed Mohammad-Rezā Shāh Pahlavi, the Shah of Iran (Persian for an Iranian king),[9] to effectively rule the country as an absolute monarch according to the constitution. He relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979.[7][8][9][10] In August 2013 the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) admitted that it was involved in both the planning and the execution of the coup, including the bribing of Iranian politicians, security and army high-ranking officials, as well as pro-coup propaganda.[11][12] The CIA is quoted acknowledging the coup was carried out "under CIA direction" and "as an act of U.S. foreign policy, conceived and approved at the highest levels of government." [13]

In 1951, Iran's oil industry was nationalized with near-unanimous support of Iran's parliament in a bill introduced by Mossadegh who led the nationalist party the National Front. Iran's oil had been controlled by the British-owned AIOC.[14] Popular discontent with the AIOC began in the late 1940s: a large segment of Iran's public and a number of politicians saw the company as exploitative and a central tool of continued British imperialism in Iran.[7][15] Despite Mosaddegh's popular support, Britain was unwilling to negotiate on its single most valuable foreign asset, and instigated a worldwide boycott of Iranian oil to pressure Iran economically.[16] Initially, Britain mobilized its military to seize control of the Abadan oil refinery, then the world's largest, but Prime Minister Clement Attlee opted instead to tighten the economic boycott[17] while using Iranian agents to undermine Mosaddegh's government.[18] With a change to more conservative governments in both Britain and the United States, Winston Churchill and the Eisenhower administration decided to overthrow Iran's government though the predecessor Truman administration had opposed a coup.[19] Classified documents show British intelligence officials played a pivotal role in initiating and planning the coup, and that AIOC contributed $25,000 towards the expense of bribing officials.[20]

I was there under the Shah. Wiki is full of shit. The islamic fundamantalist radicals took over and took Iran from a modern country with great potential back into the 11th century.

 

[rightwinger]

America has always had multiculturism

It is what made us a great country

No, it wasn't. America was a country of assimilation. It is multiculturalism which is turning Western civilization into a third-world shithole.

Thats what todays popular mythology says

I reality you had ethnic groups all forming their own communities .....Little Italy, Chinatown, Germantown, Swedesboro. All maintaining their own culture and speaking in foreign tongues

Second generations always assimilate. First generation, not always

 

[Redfish]

America has always had multiculturism

It is what made us a great country

No, it wasn't. America was a country of assimilation. It is multiculturalism which is turning Western civilization into a third-world shithole.

Thats what todays popular mythology says

I reality you had ethnic groups all forming their own communities .....Little Italy, Chinatown, Germantown, Swedesboro. All maintaining their own culture and speaking in foreign tongues

Second generations always assimilate. First generation, not always

OMG, its not mythology that immigrants assimilated as fast as possible because they needed to become americans in order to be successful.

yes, the chinese, italians, germans, etc settled together, but they all learned english and adopted american customs as well as keeping some of their own.

You never saw a Chinese flag fly over an elementary school in chinatown, but we do see Mexican flags over schools today in the southwest.