Clash of Civilizations

[Avatar4321]

I don't think we are going through as clash of civilizations as much as the birth of a new one.

 

[Publius1787]

I don't think we are going through as clash of civilizations as much as the birth of a new one.

Do explain. You don't need to go into too much detail, but assume I will understand what you're talking about so as to save time for yourself when you reply. All too often I have trouble with a few people who need me to feed them a dictionary or simplify my responses (Which makes them very long.)

 

[Meathead]

Multiculturalism was a word coined by the left in lieu the obvious failure of assimilation. The waves of European immigrants assimilated, today we have jihadist Somalis and other lunatics who are not driven to become Americans, rather to take advantage of the welfare state and spread their primitive and medieval cultures.

We should accept immigrants form selected regions which can benefit the country and shun those who obviously cannot.

 

[Iceman]

There may actually be a French culture but over here we do not have anything similar. What is American culture? White bread and mayo? No. it's a melange made up of the best the world has to offer. France will survive as a nation but ask yourself what nationalism is good for? Internal division and useless war is two things that come to mind.

Multicultural/multiethnic societies have always failed in the long run. See Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, Austria Hungary, Rwanda, Northern Ireland, India/Pakistan, for a couple of examples.

 

[Iceman]

European immigrants made up the great and overwhelming majoirty of our immigrants up to 1965 when LBJ rammed through a radical change in our immigration policy that for the first time allowed third world immigrants to come here in huge numbers...not even to mention all the illegal immigrants from 3rd world nations that were allowed to slip in.........European immigrants brought with them a similr religious belief, were well educated and had job skills.... they did implement bits and pieces of their cultures into the whole of America rather than clinging to their former homes singular culture. They were proud to become Americans, they did not want to "go home" because America was their home. They taught their children to speak only English and learn American ways rather than their former ways. They dressed as Americans, ate American food, bought American products, learned and celebrated American holidays. And yes, they fought for their freedom that they found in America. Because American culture's foundation is freedom

Contrast the above scenario with the sort of immigrants this nation is now overwhelmed with.

This is not rocket science folks..............the problem being the White Working Class is not politially astute....they are watching sports as their class is being preyed on and systmatically destroyed.

Not so much, might want to look at just how hated and despised the Irish were all through the several waves of mass immigration from there. People were certain that all kinds of bad things would occur from catholic insurrection to crime waves to leprechaun suicide bombers (not really) but you see my point. In the long run it makes no difference, a free society breeds free people and making laws and putting up barriers makes no difference except to take away freedom from a free society.

Irish changed the Anglo-Saxon character of this nation, permanently, what makes you think Mestizos and Asians wouldn't do the same?

How foolish.

 

[Iceman]

Not so much, might want to look at just how hated and despised the Irish were all through the several waves of mass immigration from there. People were certain that all kinds of bad things would occur from catholic insurrection to crime waves to leprechaun suicide bombers (not really) but you see my point. In the long run it makes no difference, a free society breeds free people and making laws and putting up barriers makes no difference except to take away freedom from a free society.

Your take on history is skewered by your political correctness...........America was founded by people seeking religious freedom which was practically non-existent in a Europe dominated by popery and English replicas of it.

Our forefathers feared Catholicism with good reason.

There is no such thing as ‘political correctness.’ It’s a myth contrived by the authoritarian right.

And your reactionaryism is predicated on fear of change, diversity and dissent, manifesting in an unwarranted hatred of people of other races and cultures because you incorrectly perceive them as a ‘threat.’

In fact, diversity is this Nation’s greatest strength – protected by the right of the people to express themselves as individuals, free from interference by the state.

Foolish mantra with no basis in history.

Americans, think they are immune to history, you aren't. Multiculturalism is not sustainable to the long run.

 

[Iceman]

Our immigration policy reflects racial quotas. It is not based on merit.

Look at the world and you will find that it is 90% non-white. So a fair immigration system is going to be mostly non-white.

I don't mind "non white" at all. Nasty cultures can hurt the United States, not races. And even with decent cultures you must limit the immigration faucet so you can allow proper assimilation and don't lose your cultural working model identity. Do me a favor and watch the Mark Stein video above and tell me what you think about it.

Name a "nasty" white culture.

 

[rdean]

Multiculturalism became national policy sometime ago...........how that happened should be understood.............the American People were never allow to vote on or approve such an agenda...it was pushed through in a underhanded manner by liberal academics, politicians and so forth to the point where now anyone who attempts to question the wisdom of such a policy is automatically demonized as racist.

But America is hardly alone in this 'Class of Civilizations' and 'Cultural Wars'

Let us look at what is happening in France.........................Interview: French Philosopher Finkielkraut on Muslims and Integration - SPIEGEL ONLINE

To right wingers, culture is something that grows in a petri dish. Republicans are 90% white. They have nothing to fear from diversity because it's something that doesn't affect them.

 

[Publius1787]

Look at the world and you will find that it is 90% non-white. So a fair immigration system is going to be mostly non-white.

I don't mind "non white" at all. Nasty cultures can hurt the United States, not races. And even with decent cultures you must limit the immigration faucet so you can allow proper assimilation and don't lose your cultural working model identity. Do me a favor and watch the Mark Stein video above and tell me what you think about it.

Name a "nasty" white culture.

Which section of Eastern Europe should I start with?

 

[Iceman]

I don't mind "non white" at all. Nasty cultures can hurt the United States, not races. And even with decent cultures you must limit the immigration faucet so you can allow proper assimilation and don't lose your cultural working model identity. Do me a favor and watch the Mark Stein video above and tell me what you think about it.

Name a "nasty" white culture.

Which section of Eastern Europe should I start with?

Whichever you would like. And what is nasty about them?

I think American "Culture" is far more nasty.

 

[Unkotare]

Multiculturalism became national policy sometime ago..........

No it didn't. Shut up you idiot.

 

[Publius1787]

Name a "nasty" white culture.

Which section of Eastern Europe should I start with?

Whichever you would like. And what is nasty about them?

I think American "Culture" is far more nasty.

Do Gypsies count as white? And Greeks have been a nasty bunch, especially their political culture. Indeed, they seem to be regressive. Of course, American Culture is regressing as well and it is wholly self imposed.

 

[Iceman]

Which section of Eastern Europe should I start with?

Whichever you would like. And what is nasty about them?

I think American "Culture" is far more nasty.

Do Gypsies count as white? And Greeks have been a nasty bunch, especially their political culture. Indeed, they seem to be regressive. Of course, American Culture is regressing as well and it is wholly self imposed.

Gypsies, white? LOL

Eastern Europeans hate gypsies, rightfully so. They need to go back to the Indian subcontinent they came from.

Greece built the foundations for western society. Yes, they were looted by Goldman Sachs, the IMF, and their political lackeys on the "left" and "right", but that doesn't make Greece nasty, that makes their ruling class nasty. The Greek culture is a organic culture, based in a long history and and a common bond shared in blood. Unfortunately, America has lost these things over the years, if they ever had them to begin with.

 

[Meathead]

Which section of Eastern Europe should I start with?

Whichever you would like. And what is nasty about them?

I think American "Culture" is far more nasty.

Do Gypsies count as white? And Greeks have been a nasty bunch, especially their political culture. Indeed, they seem to be regressive. Of course, American Culture is regressing as well and it is wholly self imposed.

I think you're confusing culture with economic incompetence in the case of Greece. Eastern European cultures were strongly effected by years of communist rule but that is waning. I would hold either of those superior to most third-world culture including many which comprise American culture today.

 

[Unkotare]

.........European immigrants brought with them a similr religious belief, .

Immigrants from Ireland, Italy, etc. were hated, excluded, and often subjected to violence for being Catholic for many, many years. The next wave of immigrants from Eastern Europe brought other religious traditions that were also met with more than a little suspicion by nativists.

You're an ignorant fool.

 

[Publius1787]

Whichever you would like. And what is nasty about them?

I think American "Culture" is far more nasty.

Do Gypsies count as white? And Greeks have been a nasty bunch, especially their political culture. Indeed, they seem to be regressive. Of course, American Culture is regressing as well and it is wholly self imposed.

Gypsies, white? LOL

Eastern Europeans hate gypsies, rightfully so. They need to go back to the Indian subcontinent they came from.

Greece built the foundations for western society. Yes, they were looted by Goldman Sachs, the IMF, and their political lackeys on the "left" and "right", but that doesn't make Greece nasty, that makes their ruling class nasty. The Greek culture is a organic culture, based in a long history and and a common bond shared in blood. Unfortunately, America has lost these things over the years, if they ever had them to begin with.

I see them becoming a more collectivist culture. And the reason they went belly up was because they lied to get into the EU in the first place. Nevertheless, your point is made. It is awfully hard to find a white culture that fits that of many of the third world cultural dumps.

 

[Publius1787]

Whichever you would like. And what is nasty about them?

I think American "Culture" is far more nasty.

Do Gypsies count as white? And Greeks have been a nasty bunch, especially their political culture. Indeed, they seem to be regressive. Of course, American Culture is regressing as well and it is wholly self imposed.

I think you're confusing culture with economic incompetence in the case of Greece. Eastern European cultures were strongly effected by years of communist rule but that is waning. I would hold either of those superior to most third-world culture including many which comprise American culture today.

Hey, I was grasping at straws. I was trying to find a white culture that portrays negative values and practices.

 

[Iceman]

Do Gypsies count as white? And Greeks have been a nasty bunch, especially their political culture. Indeed, they seem to be regressive. Of course, American Culture is regressing as well and it is wholly self imposed.

Gypsies, white? LOL

Eastern Europeans hate gypsies, rightfully so. They need to go back to the Indian subcontinent they came from.

Greece built the foundations for western society. Yes, they were looted by Goldman Sachs, the IMF, and their political lackeys on the "left" and "right", but that doesn't make Greece nasty, that makes their ruling class nasty. The Greek culture is a organic culture, based in a long history and and a common bond shared in blood. Unfortunately, America has lost these things over the years, if they ever had them to begin with.

I see them becoming a more collectivist culture. And the reason they went belly up was because they lied to get into the EU in the first place. Nevertheless, your point is made. It is awfully hard to find a white culture that fits that of many of the third world cultural dumps.

Society by it's nature is collectivist.

They were able to get into the EU through currency swaps put in place by Golden Sachs. Goldman Sachs than not only shorted Greek debt, but sold their Greek treasuries, bringing Greece to it's knees economically.
Goldman Sachs Shorted Greek Debt After It Arranged Those Shady Swaps - Business Insider

Greece is in continued economic woes because of austerity and privatization, opposition to these things is perfectly rational at this point.

But I do agree, they should have never gone to the EU to begin with. The EU should be disbanded, but all of this is a conversation for another thread.

But back to culture, politically and socially, I think you would find more eastern european countries more palatable than what America is becoming today.

 

[Meathead]

Gypsies, white? LOL

Eastern Europeans hate gypsies, rightfully so. They need to go back to the Indian subcontinent they came from.

Greece built the foundations for western society. Yes, they were looted by Goldman Sachs, the IMF, and their political lackeys on the "left" and "right", but that doesn't make Greece nasty, that makes their ruling class nasty. The Greek culture is a organic culture, based in a long history and and a common bond shared in blood. Unfortunately, America has lost these things over the years, if they ever had them to begin with.

I see them becoming a more collectivist culture. And the reason they went belly up was because they lied to get into the EU in the first place. Nevertheless, your point is made. It is awfully hard to find a white culture that fits that of many of the third world cultural dumps.

Society by it's nature is collectivist.

They were able to get into the EU through currency swaps put in place by Golden Sachs. Goldman Sachs than not only shorted Greek debt, but sold their Greek treasuries, bringing Greece to it's knees economically.
Goldman Sachs Shorted Greek Debt After It Arranged Those Shady Swaps - Business Insider

Greece is in continued economic woes because of austerity and privatization, opposition to these things is perfectly rational at this point.

But I do agree, they should have never gone to the EU to begin with. The EU should be disbanded, but all of this is a conversation for another thread.

But back to culture, politically and socially, I think you would find more eastern european countries more palatable than what America is becoming today.

I am a Greek citizen and I think you're confusing EU membership with the Eurozone. Greece was fast-tracked into the EU because it had been a steady supporter of the West and more importantly to stabilize democracy there after the military government of the late 60s and early 70s. The problem was the Euro and populist socialist governments from the 80s on.

Greeks have very much their own culture. Youth still listens to Greek music and remain true to their native culture far more than most. Unlike other immigrants to the US, Greeks never developed a criminal underworld due, again, to their culture.

Meanwhile, in the US people are fawning over the likes of Kanye West and Miley Cyrus. You figure out which is superior.

 

[Unkotare]

.........European immigrants ...were well educated and had job skills....

No, they weren't.