Civil War

[Reasonable]

"Is this where are?"
Is neighbor fighting neighbor worth a bunch of nuts on both sides agitating, fomenting Helter Skelter?

Doc

Today's fighting will end the same way the Civil War did. With the racists losing.

 

[Reasonable]

No weapons should be allowed at demonstrations. No helmets, sticks, etc. and no guns.

The neonazis would feel naked. Then probably stay home in Mom's basement.

 

[Slade3200]

The alt-right guys had ARs and didn't fire the 1st shot. The alt-left had better stand-down and get peaceful before they get slaughtered.

You're standing up for the Nazi's over those that were fighting against their hate? Nice

Sad when those "opposing hate" are more violent.

I would hope we would all defender every Americans right to free speech and peaceably assemble no matter how vile their cause is. And I would hope we would speak out against all unprovoked violence no matter how we might agree with their intentions.

I see that happening don't you? Have you heard anybody in leadership supporting violence on either side?

 

[Reasonable]

Gutter prez sinks even lower: Defends hate rally..

Someone talk to this president if you want a change of discord..

Donald Trump Defends People Who Attended White Supremacist Rally In Charlottesville (Plus A Whole Lot More) | HuffPost

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Trump is correct. Anyone who wanted to was free to go to that rally and protest taking down that statue. If I lived in Virginia I would have been there. We have the right of dissent in this country. The protesters had a permit. The antifa counter protesters who showed up with bats that had nails protruding, cans of cement and bottles and jars filled urine and feces had no permit. They had helmets and masks as they always do.

 

[Slade3200]

Trump is correct. Anyone who wanted to was free to go to that rally and protest taking down that statue. If I lived in Virginia I would have been there. We have the right of dissent in this country. The protesters had a permit. The antifa counter protesters who showed up with bats that had nails protruding, cans of cement and bottles and jars filled urine and feces had no permit. They had helmets and masks as they always do.

Yet a nutball from the Right ran down a crowd in his car and killed a girl... But the left was throwing piss without a permit so they are just as guilty. Great point

 

[Darkwind]

The alt-right guys had ARs and didn't fire the 1st shot. The alt-left had better stand-down and get peaceful before they get slaughtered.

You're standing up for the Nazi's over those that were fighting against their hate? Nice

No, I'm standing against left-wing terrorists who are willingly violating the civil rights of American's to feed THEIR hate.

The First Amendment applies to everyone, or it will not apply to anyone. Violent protesters are law breakers. If they bring deadly force, they will be met with deadly force.

/discussion

I agree, I don't think there is a need for violence with protest and many on the left take it too far. It is ok to have that discussion in relation to last weekends events but I'd hope to see a clear condemnation of what the Nazi and White Supremacists were doing with out the "But the left..." argument watering it down. It makes it sound like you are defending and making excuses for the racists. Maybe you are

I can defend their right to speech without agreeing or supporting their ideology.

When you and those on the left denounce and attack the Antifa group for being just as wrong, then we'll get to the discussion part. Until then, I'm not going to sit in a one-sided insult fest to satisfy yours or anyone's notion that only one side in this was wrong.

I'll easily denounce any group that resorts to violence or destruction of property... Easy. I didn't like what happened in Berkley and I really didn't like what happened in Charlottesville. If we are judging based on degrees, i'd definitely say that those who advance an agenda of hate and racism, like the Nazi's are far worse than those who are fighting on an anti-hate, anti-racism agenda... Neither is OK if there is violence is involved and I'd also take a look at what is allowed as far as the hate talk is concerned.

I disagree. I see no difference between a group of people who want to silence or destroy another group based upon their skin color from a group who want to destroy another group based upon their ideology. Both are a form of bigotry and have their roots in rage and hatred.

We used to, as a nation, stand against speech we didn't like; but we did so with the understanding that I can oppose you but will fight for your right to express yourself.

To Me, doing away with the tolerance of allowing a group you disagree with their right to speech is a much more heinous crime than that of discrimination.

 

[Darkwind]

Trump is correct. Anyone who wanted to was free to go to that rally and protest taking down that statue. If I lived in Virginia I would have been there. We have the right of dissent in this country. The protesters had a permit. The antifa counter protesters who showed up with bats that had nails protruding, cans of cement and bottles and jars filled urine and feces had no permit. They had helmets and masks as they always do.

Yet a nutball from the Right ran down a crowd in his car and killed a girl... But the left was throwing piss without a permit so they are just as guilty. Great point

They were also throwing soda cans filled with cement. A deadly weapon.

 

[Avatar4321]

"Is this where are?"
Is neighbor fighting neighbor worth a bunch of nuts on both sides agitating, fomenting Helter Skelter?

Doc

**** your both sides.

One side hates. The other simply wants equality.

It's clear to intelligent people.

Looks like both sides hate to me. Glad we don't have to be on either

 

[Slade3200]

You're standing up for the Nazi's over those that were fighting against their hate? Nice

No, I'm standing against left-wing terrorists who are willingly violating the civil rights of American's to feed THEIR hate.

The First Amendment applies to everyone, or it will not apply to anyone. Violent protesters are law breakers. If they bring deadly force, they will be met with deadly force.

/discussion

I agree, I don't think there is a need for violence with protest and many on the left take it too far. It is ok to have that discussion in relation to last weekends events but I'd hope to see a clear condemnation of what the Nazi and White Supremacists were doing with out the "But the left..." argument watering it down. It makes it sound like you are defending and making excuses for the racists. Maybe you are

I can defend their right to speech without agreeing or supporting their ideology.

When you and those on the left denounce and attack the Antifa group for being just as wrong, then we'll get to the discussion part. Until then, I'm not going to sit in a one-sided insult fest to satisfy yours or anyone's notion that only one side in this was wrong.

I'll easily denounce any group that resorts to violence or destruction of property... Easy. I didn't like what happened in Berkley and I really didn't like what happened in Charlottesville. If we are judging based on degrees, i'd definitely say that those who advance an agenda of hate and racism, like the Nazi's are far worse than those who are fighting on an anti-hate, anti-racism agenda... Neither is OK if there is violence is involved and I'd also take a look at what is allowed as far as the hate talk is concerned.

I disagree. I see no difference between a group of people who want to silence or destroy another group based upon their skin color from a group who want to destroy another group based upon their ideology. Both are a form of bigotry and have their roots in rage and hatred.

We used to, as a nation, stand against speech we didn't like; but we did so with the understanding that I can oppose you but will fight for your right to express yourself.

To Me, doing away with the tolerance of allowing a group you disagree with their right to speech is a much more heinous crime than that of discrimination.

I agree with you if we are talking about pure ideology that doesn't involve hate, racism and bigotry. I know it is a thin ice topic and i'd never justify violence of any kind, but i'd do my best to renounce any group that tries to promote those ideals. They have no room in our country.... Most of our leaders including our POTUS just said the same. They did this because it is the right thing to do.

 

[Slade3200]

Trump is correct. Anyone who wanted to was free to go to that rally and protest taking down that statue. If I lived in Virginia I would have been there. We have the right of dissent in this country. The protesters had a permit. The antifa counter protesters who showed up with bats that had nails protruding, cans of cement and bottles and jars filled urine and feces had no permit. They had helmets and masks as they always do.

Yet a nutball from the Right ran down a crowd in his car and killed a girl... But the left was throwing piss without a permit so they are just as guilty. Great point

They were also throwing soda cans filled with cement. A deadly weapon.

Yet a nutball from the Right ran down a crowd in his car and killed a girl...

 

[Pogo]

"Is this where are?"
Is neighbor fighting neighbor worth a bunch of nuts on both sides agitating, fomenting Helter Skelter?

Doc

No. It's not where we are.

Think about it --- when Hitler was encouraging his thugs and organizing SA brownshirts to beat up socialists, we didn't call that a German "civil war" did we?

I don't get this fantasy about "civil war". It sounds profoundly arrogant to suggest there's enough of these thugs to constitute a "side".

 

[Darkwind]

Trump is correct. Anyone who wanted to was free to go to that rally and protest taking down that statue. If I lived in Virginia I would have been there. We have the right of dissent in this country. The protesters had a permit. The antifa counter protesters who showed up with bats that had nails protruding, cans of cement and bottles and jars filled urine and feces had no permit. They had helmets and masks as they always do.

Yet a nutball from the Right ran down a crowd in his car and killed a girl... But the left was throwing piss without a permit so they are just as guilty. Great point

They were also throwing soda cans filled with cement. A deadly weapon.

Yet a nutball from the Right ran down a crowd in his car and killed a girl...

This is what I was talking about. It was a lone nut, and everyone on the right denouces these people. This just invites the comparison of the GOP shooter with everyone on the left.

If the rabid Antifa people had managed to kill a wannabe, they'd be bragging about it and the left wouldn't say a word; or they would defend it by saying, "He was just a racist and deserved to die."

You can try and deny it, but you know in your heart of hearts that they would.

 

[Avatar4321]

It doesn't have to be this fucked up.
It just doesn't.

I agree.

We could just be decent human beings and treat each other with respect.

I will never treat a white supremacist or a NAZI with respect.

And that's why you will lead us to civil war.

[Hate] drew a circle that shut me out.
Heretic, rebel, a thing to flout
But love and I had the wit to win
We drew a circle that took him in

-Edwin Markham

 

[LoneLaugher]

"Is this where are?"
Is neighbor fighting neighbor worth a bunch of nuts on both sides agitating, fomenting Helter Skelter?

Doc

**** your both sides.

One side hates. The other simply wants equality.

It's clear to intelligent people.

Looks like both sides hate to me. Glad we don't have to be on either

You see what you want to see.

 

[LoneLaugher]

It doesn't have to be this fucked up.
It just doesn't.

I agree.

We could just be decent human beings and treat each other with respect.

I will never treat a white supremacist or a NAZI with respect.

And that's why you will lead us to civil war.

[Hate] drew a circle that shut me out.
Heretic, rebel, a thing to flout
But love and I had the wit to win
We drew a circle that took him in

-Edwin Markham

Nope. Won't happen. The haters are too few. A dying breed.

 

[Avatar4321]

"Is this where are?"
Is neighbor fighting neighbor worth a bunch of nuts on both sides agitating, fomenting Helter Skelter?

Doc

Today's fighting will end the same way the Civil War did. With the racists losing.

And yet despite losing you want to fight. How odd

 

[Avatar4321]

"Is this where are?"
Is neighbor fighting neighbor worth a bunch of nuts on both sides agitating, fomenting Helter Skelter?

Doc

**** your both sides.

One side hates. The other simply wants equality.

It's clear to intelligent people.

Looks like both sides hate to me. Glad we don't have to be on either

You see what you want to see.

I agree. I want to see reality. So I see it

 

[Avatar4321]

It doesn't have to be this fucked up.
It just doesn't.

I agree.

We could just be decent human beings and treat each other with respect.

I will never treat a white supremacist or a NAZI with respect.

And that's why you will lead us to civil war.

[Hate] drew a circle that shut me out.
Heretic, rebel, a thing to flout
But love and I had the wit to win
We drew a circle that took him in

-Edwin Markham

Nope. Won't happen. The haters are too few. A dying breed.

I agree. The Democrat party is a dying breed

 

[Slade3200]

Trump is correct. Anyone who wanted to was free to go to that rally and protest taking down that statue. If I lived in Virginia I would have been there. We have the right of dissent in this country. The protesters had a permit. The antifa counter protesters who showed up with bats that had nails protruding, cans of cement and bottles and jars filled urine and feces had no permit. They had helmets and masks as they always do.

Yet a nutball from the Right ran down a crowd in his car and killed a girl... But the left was throwing piss without a permit so they are just as guilty. Great point

They were also throwing soda cans filled with cement. A deadly weapon.

Yet a nutball from the Right ran down a crowd in his car and killed a girl...

This is what I was talking about. It was a lone nut, and everyone on the right denouces these people. This just invites the comparison of the GOP shooter with everyone on the left.

If the rabid Antifa people had managed to kill a wannabe, they'd be bragging about it and the left wouldn't say a word; or they would defend it by saying, "He was just a racist and deserved to die."

You can try and deny it, but you know in your heart of hearts that they would.

You make fair points and are probably right that some would defend it. I don't defend violence on any side. and I agree that the actions of one individual do not define an entire group. I'll look for any reason to denounce groups like the KKK, Nazis and White Supremacists though. I just don't see a place for that kind of hate in this country so I support any nonviolent way to shut those fuckers up. I personally think that completely ignoring them is the best route but you know thats never going to happen. Conflict brings ratings so thats what the media is going to pursue.