Citing rise of ‘Christian nationalism,’ Secular Democrats unveil sweeping recommendations for Biden

[JustAGuy1]

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WASHINGTON (RNS) — A Democratic group dedicated to representing secular values unveiled a slate of recommendations for President-elect Joe Biden’s incoming administration on Monday (Nov. 30), outlining a sweeping agenda designed to roll back many of President Trump’s actions involving religion and to “restore a vision of constitutional secularism.”

The 28-page document, crafted by the Secular Democrats of America PAC, is being presented to the incoming administration by Democratic Representatives Jamie Raskin and Jared Huffman — both co-chairs of the Congressional Freethought Caucus.

The SDA’s agenda offers a wide range of policy recommendations to push back against the so-called “Christian nationalist movement,” which the the group describes as an “extraordinarily well-funded and well-organized” phenomenon whose “extreme and sectarian agenda (was) on constant display under the Trump-Pence administration.”

Citing rise of 'Christian nationalism,' Secular Democrats unveil sweeping recommendations for Biden

WASHINGTON (RNS) — Authors suggested Biden use ‘E Pluribus Unum’ — Latin for ‘out of many, one’ — instead of ‘In God We Trust’ and repeal the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

religionnews.com

Work with Congress to incentivize states to increase their vaccination rates by repealing all nonmedical exemptions to mandatory vaccination for children in schools and day care centers. States like California and New York have taken such actions, but only after experiencing severe outbreaks of measles and whooping cough. Parents and children have the right to a school environment free of vaccine preventable diseases. The most vulnerable among us who are medically ineligible for vaccination depend on herd immunity to protect them.

https://seculardems.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/SecularDemocratsofAmerica_Blueprint_BidenHarrisTransition_11-30-20_FINAL.pdf

Move along, nothing see here....well except for a direct attack on Religious Liberties that is.

Insisting you vaccinate your children for both personal and public health reasons is not an infringement of your religious liberties.

Wear your mask, get your shot, and get on with your life.

Yes it is, mind your own damn business kid. Read the document child.

https://seculardems.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/SecularDemocratsofAmerica_Blueprint_BidenHarrisTransition_11-30-20_FINAL.pdf

 

[Crepitus]

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WASHINGTON (RNS) — A Democratic group dedicated to representing secular values unveiled a slate of recommendations for President-elect Joe Biden’s incoming administration on Monday (Nov. 30), outlining a sweeping agenda designed to roll back many of President Trump’s actions involving religion and to “restore a vision of constitutional secularism.”

The 28-page document, crafted by the Secular Democrats of America PAC, is being presented to the incoming administration by Democratic Representatives Jamie Raskin and Jared Huffman — both co-chairs of the Congressional Freethought Caucus.

The SDA’s agenda offers a wide range of policy recommendations to push back against the so-called “Christian nationalist movement,” which the the group describes as an “extraordinarily well-funded and well-organized” phenomenon whose “extreme and sectarian agenda (was) on constant display under the Trump-Pence administration.”

Citing rise of 'Christian nationalism,' Secular Democrats unveil sweeping recommendations for Biden

WASHINGTON (RNS) — Authors suggested Biden use ‘E Pluribus Unum’ — Latin for ‘out of many, one’ — instead of ‘In God We Trust’ and repeal the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

religionnews.com

Work with Congress to incentivize states to increase their vaccination rates by repealing all nonmedical exemptions to mandatory vaccination for children in schools and day care centers. States like California and New York have taken such actions, but only after experiencing severe outbreaks of measles and whooping cough. Parents and children have the right to a school environment free of vaccine preventable diseases. The most vulnerable among us who are medically ineligible for vaccination depend on herd immunity to protect them.

https://seculardems.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/SecularDemocratsofAmerica_Blueprint_BidenHarrisTransition_11-30-20_FINAL.pdf

Move along, nothing see here....well except for a direct attack on Religious Liberties that is.

Insisting you vaccinate your children for both personal and public health reasons is not an infringement of your religious liberties.

Wear your mask, get your shot, and get on with your life.

Yes it is, mind your own damn business kid. Read the document child.

https://seculardems.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/SecularDemocratsofAmerica_Blueprint_BidenHarrisTransition_11-30-20_FINAL.pdf

Don't care about your document. The conservitard fever dream is over, public health measures are not any infringement on anyone's rights.

 

[JustAGuy1]

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WASHINGTON (RNS) — A Democratic group dedicated to representing secular values unveiled a slate of recommendations for President-elect Joe Biden’s incoming administration on Monday (Nov. 30), outlining a sweeping agenda designed to roll back many of President Trump’s actions involving religion and to “restore a vision of constitutional secularism.”

The 28-page document, crafted by the Secular Democrats of America PAC, is being presented to the incoming administration by Democratic Representatives Jamie Raskin and Jared Huffman — both co-chairs of the Congressional Freethought Caucus.

The SDA’s agenda offers a wide range of policy recommendations to push back against the so-called “Christian nationalist movement,” which the the group describes as an “extraordinarily well-funded and well-organized” phenomenon whose “extreme and sectarian agenda (was) on constant display under the Trump-Pence administration.”

Citing rise of 'Christian nationalism,' Secular Democrats unveil sweeping recommendations for Biden

WASHINGTON (RNS) — Authors suggested Biden use ‘E Pluribus Unum’ — Latin for ‘out of many, one’ — instead of ‘In God We Trust’ and repeal the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

religionnews.com

Work with Congress to incentivize states to increase their vaccination rates by repealing all nonmedical exemptions to mandatory vaccination for children in schools and day care centers. States like California and New York have taken such actions, but only after experiencing severe outbreaks of measles and whooping cough. Parents and children have the right to a school environment free of vaccine preventable diseases. The most vulnerable among us who are medically ineligible for vaccination depend on herd immunity to protect them.

https://seculardems.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/SecularDemocratsofAmerica_Blueprint_BidenHarrisTransition_11-30-20_FINAL.pdf

Move along, nothing see here....well except for a direct attack on Religious Liberties that is.

Insisting you vaccinate your children for both personal and public health reasons is not an infringement of your religious liberties.

Wear your mask, get your shot, and get on with your life.

Yes it is, mind your own damn business kid. Read the document child.

https://seculardems.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/SecularDemocratsofAmerica_Blueprint_BidenHarrisTransition_11-30-20_FINAL.pdf

Don't care about your document. The conservitard fever dream is over, public health measures are not any infringement on anyone's rights.

I know you don't, that's the point. You simply swallow all the shit that your Prog leaders tell you. ANYTIME you want to FORCE someone to do something you are infringing on someone else's "rights". You silly little totalitarian child.

 

[JusticeHammer]

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WASHINGTON (RNS) — A Democratic group dedicated to representing secular values unveiled a slate of recommendations for President-elect Joe Biden’s incoming administration on Monday (Nov. 30), outlining a sweeping agenda designed to roll back many of President Trump’s actions involving religion and to “restore a vision of constitutional secularism.”

The 28-page document, crafted by the Secular Democrats of America PAC, is being presented to the incoming administration by Democratic Representatives Jamie Raskin and Jared Huffman — both co-chairs of the Congressional Freethought Caucus.

The SDA’s agenda offers a wide range of policy recommendations to push back against the so-called “Christian nationalist movement,” which the the group describes as an “extraordinarily well-funded and well-organized” phenomenon whose “extreme and sectarian agenda (was) on constant display under the Trump-Pence administration.”

Citing rise of 'Christian nationalism,' Secular Democrats unveil sweeping recommendations for Biden

WASHINGTON (RNS) — Authors suggested Biden use ‘E Pluribus Unum’ — Latin for ‘out of many, one’ — instead of ‘In God We Trust’ and repeal the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

religionnews.com

Work with Congress to incentivize states to increase their vaccination rates by repealing all nonmedical exemptions to mandatory vaccination for children in schools and day care centers. States like California and New York have taken such actions, but only after experiencing severe outbreaks of measles and whooping cough. Parents and children have the right to a school environment free of vaccine preventable diseases. The most vulnerable among us who are medically ineligible for vaccination depend on herd immunity to protect them.

https://seculardems.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/SecularDemocratsofAmerica_Blueprint_BidenHarrisTransition_11-30-20_FINAL.pdf

Move along, nothing see here....well except for a direct attack on Religious Liberties that is.

Insisting you vaccinate your children for both personal and public health reasons is not an infringement of your religious liberties.

Wear your mask, get your shot, and get on with your life.

Yes it is, mind your own damn business kid. Read the document child.

https://seculardems.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/SecularDemocratsofAmerica_Blueprint_BidenHarrisTransition_11-30-20_FINAL.pdf

Don't care about your document. The conservitard fever dream is over, public health measures are not any infringement on anyone's rights.

I know you don't, that's the point. You simply swallow all the shit that your Prog leaders tell you. ANYTIME you want to FORCE someone to do something you are infringing on someone else's "rights". You silly little totalitarian child.

Commie libs hate the Constitution, but act like they are experts. Idiots.

 

[Roudy]

It appears the Marxist nationalists have spoken.

 

[Picaro]

If you are going to call this a "Christian Nation" you will either need to change the way this nation takes care of it's poor, or change the way you claim Jesus told Christians to live.

It is funny that we are a "christian nation" when you talk about gay marriage or abortion. But when we talk about taking care of the poor or the elderly, somehow we instantly become just good capitalists.

Many churches do take care of poor people; how many do you take care of? I don't see any atheist shelters or soup kitchens, they seem to prefer whining over sexual deviants and promoting social darwinism or demanding the govt. spend millions of pandering to to sickos into extreme sexual mutilation, that sort of stuff. You also think beating slaves is okay, from a previous post where you think mentally ill people being beaten is okay as long as they 'consent' to it or something, so I can see why you would babble some bizarre nonsense like the above. What you meant to say is that the people most likely to donate to the poor are usually low income themselves and often can't cover the entire costs, while the middle class and rich people you admire like to donate to such PC 'programs' as ballets and faggot rights hoaxes or hate crime advocates like BLM and the Democratic Party, but only after they take care of their dope needs, pot, meth, etc., and other critical discretionary spending.

After all, it's better to make drug cartels and street gang vermin well off than icky stuff like donating to charities, since we're supposed to tax 'Everybody Else' for that and not inconvenience Burb Brats n stuff. Not a dime's worth of difference between bourgeois 'Progressives' and right wingers on the poverty issues really, just in rhetoric and levels of hypocrisy. Both also love open borders and flooding the country with cheap labor and a permanent huge underclass, too.

I have donated quite a bit of meat to local food banks via a hunting association I belong to. I also donate to and volunteer at a local soup kitchen numerous times during the year.

But, if you are claiming this nation is a Christian nation, then the same call to care for the poor applies.

Yes, you want to fault churches for there being poverty n stuff, never mind they do more than 'Progressives' ever do, even being grossly outnumbere by their haters, but you hate policies that would make them a lot more effective, based on your own fake 'facts'.

I want to fault churches? Please show where I said ANYTHING resembling a call to fault churches. But I guess it is easier to argue if you get to invent what I say.

The same applies to your claim that I hate policies that would make them more effective.

Trying to deflect again, I see. That's because you can't refute facts about our Founders and our history. But I'm sure all that deer and moose meat going bad really but a dent in hunger in America and surpassed anything Da Evul Xians have ever done, right? .... lol

Deflect? If you think my calling you out when you lie about what I have said is trying to deflect, then you haven't a clue.

I never lied about what you've said, you just wish you hadn't said it, is all.

And no, the meat I donate has not gone bad. In fact, it is inspected when I donate it. I never said I did more than anyone else. Without knowing me, you accused me of doing nothing. I corrected you.

So now you're backtracking on your lies about the alleged failures of Da Evul Xians to eliminate poverty n stuff, as if they're personally responsible for doing so? How shallow ...

I find it amusing that you make all sorts of claims about what I said. Let me rephrase that. I find it amusing that you lie about all sorts of things you claim I said. And when challenged to provide any quotes of mine to back it up, you vanish.

Serious cowardice there. Just admit you were wrong. Or that you lied.

Just admit you wanted to impress the kewl kidz by babbling some idiocy re 'Xians', got triggered by my initial post that there might just be something less than wonderful about pedophiles and S&M freaks, even implying they might be bad even, which is always good for sending some neurotic freak or other over the edge, and when you got handed your ass on that you're now spending post after post trying to pretend you never said anything.

 

[Picaro]

. Your premise that just because they didn't insert completely unnecessary terms like 'White Protestant Christians'

you are a liar. They didn’t insert anything having to do with any known religion. Not a word. But you say it is a Christian document and you cannot say why?

Since you are an atheist why are you so hepped up on spreading white Christian nationalist lies and propaganda.

You don't know shit about our history, just repeating idiot crap you read somewhere and think it sounds good. Pointing out your lies about our history isn't being 'hepped up', it's just you flailing around and playing "I Touched You Last!!!' and losing, and then sniveling about it, is all.

And, there is no such thing as 'Christian nationalism', idiot.

 

[Picaro]

Feed em to the lions!
Do we even have that many lions available?

Church and state are separated for good reasons.
Too much blurring of those lines in the last four decades.
No one is attacking your right to practice your religion.
We just don't want it shoved down our throats...that's all.

well people don't want homosexuality, transgender and so on forced down their throats either.

Providing equal rights and equal opportunities are directly confirmed for all in both the Declaration of Independence and the Preamble to the Constitution.

The right to vote needed to be affirmed in several Amendments to COTUS, and yet the new iteration of Republicans seek to deny these rights even as we sit here reading this page.

lol really? What about Nazis and their rights to murder Jews? Are they in need of 'equal rights'? Waht about rapists? Don't their needs matter too? Don't they need to be tolerated and allowed equal rights to do whatever they want? lol go smoke some more meth and watch some BLM videos.

There is no right to commit murder nor is their a right to rape, Bozo. Since this thread is based loosely on Christianity, one only needs to consult the Ten Commandments and the penal codes of western democracies and every State in our Union.

Pipe down, tard, everything I said re American history is documented fact; whether you like or not is relevant. And, according to your buddy Winterborn, it is ideed legal to rape somebody, as long as they're mentally ill freaks who 'consent' to it, and murdering babies by the millions for the horrible bourgoeis 'crime' of being 'inconvenient' is legal, too, according to your fellow sociopaths and degenerate deviants.

 

[Picaro]

George Washington welcomed Muhammadens and their religion - Picaro hates them - 26063796 reply to 26049010

It's a political ideology, a violent one that requires the subjugation and extinction of non-believers. That's why it isn't a 'religion' that should enjoy being protected by faux 'secularism'. The fact is only mentally ill sexual deviant and commie sociopath think its 'equal' and that it should have the same protections as Christianity or Buddhism.

Your bigotry and unAmerican rejection of our founders call for religious pluralism brings you to regard Our First great President to have been a “mentally ill sexual deviant and commie sociopath”

George Washington expressed little preference as to the religion practiced by the Mount Vernon workforce. Writing in March of 1784, Washington noted: "If they are good workmen, they may be of Asia, Africa, or Europe. They may be Mahometans [Mohammedans/Muslims], Jews, or Christians of any Sect, or they may be Atheists."1. Islam at Mount Vernon.​

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You Need to back off with the bigotry and hatred. You give atheists a bad name.​

lol more rubbish, again implying only those Founders who you think said stuff you like count, and the others don't, typical juvenile attempts at spin that fall flat. You can't refute what I said and instead keep trying the same tired old gimmick semantics. George Washington's name isn't on the establishment clause, and any grade school kid can find Washington saying some good things about Christians, so you don't want to go there either, but being stupid you will anyway.

 

[22lcidw]

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WASHINGTON (RNS) — A Democratic group dedicated to representing secular values unveiled a slate of recommendations for President-elect Joe Biden’s incoming administration on Monday (Nov. 30), outlining a sweeping agenda designed to roll back many of President Trump’s actions involving religion and to “restore a vision of constitutional secularism.”

The 28-page document, crafted by the Secular Democrats of America PAC, is being presented to the incoming administration by Democratic Representatives Jamie Raskin and Jared Huffman — both co-chairs of the Congressional Freethought Caucus.

The SDA’s agenda offers a wide range of policy recommendations to push back against the so-called “Christian nationalist movement,” which the the group describes as an “extraordinarily well-funded and well-organized” phenomenon whose “extreme and sectarian agenda (was) on constant display under the Trump-Pence administration.”

Citing rise of 'Christian nationalism,' Secular Democrats unveil sweeping recommendations for Biden

WASHINGTON (RNS) — Authors suggested Biden use ‘E Pluribus Unum’ — Latin for ‘out of many, one’ — instead of ‘In God We Trust’ and repeal the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

religionnews.com

Work with Congress to incentivize states to increase their vaccination rates by repealing all nonmedical exemptions to mandatory vaccination for children in schools and day care centers. States like California and New York have taken such actions, but only after experiencing severe outbreaks of measles and whooping cough. Parents and children have the right to a school environment free of vaccine preventable diseases. The most vulnerable among us who are medically ineligible for vaccination depend on herd immunity to protect them.

https://seculardems.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/SecularDemocratsofAmerica_Blueprint_BidenHarrisTransition_11-30-20_FINAL.pdf

Move along, nothing see here....well except for a direct attack on Religious Liberties that is.

Insisting you vaccinate your children for both personal and public health reasons is not an infringement of your religious liberties.

Wear your mask, get your shot, and get on with your life.

Yes it is, mind your own damn business kid. Read the document child.

https://seculardems.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/SecularDemocratsofAmerica_Blueprint_BidenHarrisTransition_11-30-20_FINAL.pdf

Don't care about your document. The conservitard fever dream is over, public health measures are not any infringement on anyone's rights.

I know you don't, that's the point. You simply swallow all the shit that your Prog leaders tell you. ANYTIME you want to FORCE someone to do something you are infringing on someone else's "rights". You silly little totalitarian child.

Commie libs hate the Constitution, but act like they are experts. Idiots.

You girls need a room?

Little man you are quite the joke.

Yes yes, he already corrected me. I meant to say "do you bois need a room".

You need your mom.

Naw, I'm good. I just had yours.

You are a typical lib asshole. Scum sucking punk.

You brought family in shithead, not me.

You're the shithead, scum sucker.

This is just sad^. Is that the best you've got? You just got owned, dipshit. Go have the boot removed from yer ass and send it back.

Clean.

In your drive for having dictatorship dictums enforced on people you are uneven at it. You let riots go on without stopping them and you promote human sexuality to all how they want to live even if there is disease and massive cost to it as examples.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

George Washington's name isn't on the establishment clause,

It doesn’t need to be. Washington is one of the most eminent of the founding fathers.

Jesus Christ’s name is not on the establishment clause either you idiot.

What has been repudiated from you is your assertion that the Constitution is a Christian document based on the narrow and erroneous opinion that all the writers were Christians. Actuality the same brand of Christian that hold the modern view of Eurocentric white Evangelical Christianity and promote white Christian nationalist propaganda.

You and your white Christian nationalist cohorts are wrong.

The first proof that you are wrong is that the Constitution itself does not mention one single reference to the religion of Christianity or any of the Christian dogma that Christians must follow..

You have been asked to explain why you think a document that is void of all things Christian is a Christian document and you fail to respond.

I take that to mean you have no clue.

All we get from you is unAmerican religious bigotry and your attempts to project your bigotry on the greatest of the founders - Washington Adams Jefferson.and Madison.

You are wrong and a disgrace to atheism and all the decent Christians who embrace American pluralism and keep that founding principle and their personal faith in God separate from nationalism and love of country.

 

[Picaro]

George Washington's name isn't on the establishment clause,

It doesn’t need to be. Washington is one of the most eminent of the founding fathers.

Jesus Christ’s name is not on the establishment clause either you idiot.

What has been repudiated from you is your assertion that the Constitution is a Christian document based on the narrow and erroneous opinion that all the writers were Christians. Actuality the same brand of Christian that hold the modern view of Eurocentric white Evangelical Christianity and promote white Christian nationalist propaganda.

You and your white Christian nationalist cohorts are wrong.

The first proof that you are wrong is that the Constitution itself does not mention one single reference to the religion of Christianity or any of the Christian dogma that Christians must follow..

You have been asked to explain why you think a document that is void of all things Christian is a Christian document and you fail to respond.

I take that to mean you have no clue.

All we get from you is unAmerican religious bigotry and your attempts to project your bigotry on the greatest of the founders - Washington Adams Jefferson.and Madison.

You are wrong and a disgrace to atheism and all the decent Christians who embrace American pluralism and keep that founding principle and their personal faith in God separate from nationalism and love of country.

Yes, cuz even more insane gibbering is a serious 'comeback. lol You looked up everything I said, hoping for a 'Gotcha!', and now you're left with nothing but wearing a wet diaper full of doodoo. You know exactly nothing about any of those four, and prove it with every poast you make.

 

[WinterBorn]

If you are going to call this a "Christian Nation" you will either need to change the way this nation takes care of it's poor, or change the way you claim Jesus told Christians to live.

It is funny that we are a "christian nation" when you talk about gay marriage or abortion. But when we talk about taking care of the poor or the elderly, somehow we instantly become just good capitalists.

Many churches do take care of poor people; how many do you take care of? I don't see any atheist shelters or soup kitchens, they seem to prefer whining over sexual deviants and promoting social darwinism or demanding the govt. spend millions of pandering to to sickos into extreme sexual mutilation, that sort of stuff. You also think beating slaves is okay, from a previous post where you think mentally ill people being beaten is okay as long as they 'consent' to it or something, so I can see why you would babble some bizarre nonsense like the above. What you meant to say is that the people most likely to donate to the poor are usually low income themselves and often can't cover the entire costs, while the middle class and rich people you admire like to donate to such PC 'programs' as ballets and faggot rights hoaxes or hate crime advocates like BLM and the Democratic Party, but only after they take care of their dope needs, pot, meth, etc., and other critical discretionary spending.

After all, it's better to make drug cartels and street gang vermin well off than icky stuff like donating to charities, since we're supposed to tax 'Everybody Else' for that and not inconvenience Burb Brats n stuff. Not a dime's worth of difference between bourgeois 'Progressives' and right wingers on the poverty issues really, just in rhetoric and levels of hypocrisy. Both also love open borders and flooding the country with cheap labor and a permanent huge underclass, too.

I have donated quite a bit of meat to local food banks via a hunting association I belong to. I also donate to and volunteer at a local soup kitchen numerous times during the year.

But, if you are claiming this nation is a Christian nation, then the same call to care for the poor applies.

Yes, you want to fault churches for there being poverty n stuff, never mind they do more than 'Progressives' ever do, even being grossly outnumbere by their haters, but you hate policies that would make them a lot more effective, based on your own fake 'facts'.

I want to fault churches? Please show where I said ANYTHING resembling a call to fault churches. But I guess it is easier to argue if you get to invent what I say.

The same applies to your claim that I hate policies that would make them more effective.

Trying to deflect again, I see. That's because you can't refute facts about our Founders and our history. But I'm sure all that deer and moose meat going bad really but a dent in hunger in America and surpassed anything Da Evul Xians have ever done, right? .... lol

Deflect? If you think my calling you out when you lie about what I have said is trying to deflect, then you haven't a clue.

I never lied about what you've said, you just wish you hadn't said it, is all.

And no, the meat I donate has not gone bad. In fact, it is inspected when I donate it. I never said I did more than anyone else. Without knowing me, you accused me of doing nothing. I corrected you.

So now you're backtracking on your lies about the alleged failures of Da Evul Xians to eliminate poverty n stuff, as if they're personally responsible for doing so? How shallow ...

I find it amusing that you make all sorts of claims about what I said. Let me rephrase that. I find it amusing that you lie about all sorts of things you claim I said. And when challenged to provide any quotes of mine to back it up, you vanish.

Serious cowardice there. Just admit you were wrong. Or that you lied.

Just admit you wanted to impress the kewl kidz by babbling some idiocy re 'Xians', got triggered by my initial post that there might just be something less than wonderful about pedophiles and S&M freaks, even implying they might be bad even, which is always good for sending some neurotic freak or other over the edge, and when you got handed your ass on that you're now spending post after post trying to pretend you never said anything.

Why would I admit that? I didn't babble idiocy about Xtians. I wasn't triggered by your post. I have said there is nothing wonderful about pedophiles.

But how could you hand me my ass by lying about what I said. The fact that you have to lie about what was said shows desperation and dishonesty.

 

[WinterBorn]

Feed em to the lions!
Do we even have that many lions available?

Church and state are separated for good reasons.
Too much blurring of those lines in the last four decades.
No one is attacking your right to practice your religion.
We just don't want it shoved down our throats...that's all.

well people don't want homosexuality, transgender and so on forced down their throats either.

Providing equal rights and equal opportunities are directly confirmed for all in both the Declaration of Independence and the Preamble to the Constitution.

The right to vote needed to be affirmed in several Amendments to COTUS, and yet the new iteration of Republicans seek to deny these rights even as we sit here reading this page.

lol really? What about Nazis and their rights to murder Jews? Are they in need of 'equal rights'? Waht about rapists? Don't their needs matter too? Don't they need to be tolerated and allowed equal rights to do whatever they want? lol go smoke some more meth and watch some BLM videos.

There is no right to commit murder nor is their a right to rape, Bozo. Since this thread is based loosely on Christianity, one only needs to consult the Ten Commandments and the penal codes of western democracies and every State in our Union.

Pipe down, tard, everything I said re American history is documented fact; whether you like or not is relevant. And, according to your buddy Winterborn, it is ideed legal to rape somebody, as long as they're mentally ill freaks who 'consent' to it, and murdering babies by the millions for the horrible bourgoeis 'crime' of being 'inconvenient' is legal, too, according to your fellow sociopaths and degenerate deviants.

Oh? So you think it should not be legal for two consenting adults to have sex?

Funny that you pretend to high moral ground, and yet you have no problem lying repeatedly.

 

[iceberg]

Feed em to the lions!
Do we even have that many lions available?

Church and state are separated for good reasons.
Too much blurring of those lines in the last four decades.
No one is attacking your right to practice your religion.
We just don't want it shoved down our throats...that's all.

well people don't want homosexuality, transgender and so on forced down their throats either.

Providing equal rights and equal opportunities are directly confirmed for all in both the Declaration of Independence and the Preamble to the Constitution.

The right to vote needed to be affirmed in several Amendments to COTUS, and yet the new iteration of Republicans seek to deny these rights even as we sit here reading this page.

lol really? What about Nazis and their rights to murder Jews? Are they in need of 'equal rights'? Waht about rapists? Don't their needs matter too? Don't they need to be tolerated and allowed equal rights to do whatever they want? lol go smoke some more meth and watch some BLM videos.

There is no right to commit murder nor is their a right to rape, Bozo. Since this thread is based loosely on Christianity, one only needs to consult the Ten Commandments and the penal codes of western democracies and every State in our Union.

Pipe down, tard, everything I said re American history is documented fact; whether you like or not is relevant. And, according to your buddy Winterborn, it is ideed legal to rape somebody, as long as they're mentally ill freaks who 'consent' to it, and murdering babies by the millions for the horrible bourgoeis 'crime' of being 'inconvenient' is legal, too, according to your fellow sociopaths and degenerate deviants.

Oh? So you think it should not be legal for two consenting adults to have sex?

Funny that you pretend to high moral ground, and yet you have no problem lying repeatedly.

This coming from someone who intentionally misrepresents what I've said.

 

[WinterBorn]

Feed em to the lions!
Do we even have that many lions available?

Church and state are separated for good reasons.
Too much blurring of those lines in the last four decades.
No one is attacking your right to practice your religion.
We just don't want it shoved down our throats...that's all.

well people don't want homosexuality, transgender and so on forced down their throats either.

Providing equal rights and equal opportunities are directly confirmed for all in both the Declaration of Independence and the Preamble to the Constitution.

The right to vote needed to be affirmed in several Amendments to COTUS, and yet the new iteration of Republicans seek to deny these rights even as we sit here reading this page.

lol really? What about Nazis and their rights to murder Jews? Are they in need of 'equal rights'? Waht about rapists? Don't their needs matter too? Don't they need to be tolerated and allowed equal rights to do whatever they want? lol go smoke some more meth and watch some BLM videos.

There is no right to commit murder nor is their a right to rape, Bozo. Since this thread is based loosely on Christianity, one only needs to consult the Ten Commandments and the penal codes of western democracies and every State in our Union.

Pipe down, tard, everything I said re American history is documented fact; whether you like or not is relevant. And, according to your buddy Winterborn, it is ideed legal to rape somebody, as long as they're mentally ill freaks who 'consent' to it, and murdering babies by the millions for the horrible bourgoeis 'crime' of being 'inconvenient' is legal, too, according to your fellow sociopaths and degenerate deviants.

Oh? So you think it should not be legal for two consenting adults to have sex?

Funny that you pretend to high moral ground, and yet you have no problem lying repeatedly.

This coming from someone who intentionally misrepresents what I've said.

I did? When did I do that?

And please, feel free to point out any outright lies I have posted about what you said.

 

[iceberg]

Feed em to the lions!
Do we even have that many lions available?

Church and state are separated for good reasons.
Too much blurring of those lines in the last four decades.
No one is attacking your right to practice your religion.
We just don't want it shoved down our throats...that's all.

well people don't want homosexuality, transgender and so on forced down their throats either.

Providing equal rights and equal opportunities are directly confirmed for all in both the Declaration of Independence and the Preamble to the Constitution.

The right to vote needed to be affirmed in several Amendments to COTUS, and yet the new iteration of Republicans seek to deny these rights even as we sit here reading this page.

lol really? What about Nazis and their rights to murder Jews? Are they in need of 'equal rights'? Waht about rapists? Don't their needs matter too? Don't they need to be tolerated and allowed equal rights to do whatever they want? lol go smoke some more meth and watch some BLM videos.

There is no right to commit murder nor is their a right to rape, Bozo. Since this thread is based loosely on Christianity, one only needs to consult the Ten Commandments and the penal codes of western democracies and every State in our Union.

Pipe down, tard, everything I said re American history is documented fact; whether you like or not is relevant. And, according to your buddy Winterborn, it is ideed legal to rape somebody, as long as they're mentally ill freaks who 'consent' to it, and murdering babies by the millions for the horrible bourgoeis 'crime' of being 'inconvenient' is legal, too, according to your fellow sociopaths and degenerate deviants.

Oh? So you think it should not be legal for two consenting adults to have sex?

Funny that you pretend to high moral ground, and yet you have no problem lying repeatedly.

This coming from someone who intentionally misrepresents what I've said.

I did? When did I do that?

And please, feel free to point out any outright lies I have posted about what you said.

Earlier in this thread. I gave you my viewpoint, you chose to change it to something else. I corrected you and you stopped replying.

Lies have lost meaning in all the blurring of lines people do anymore. No what you said/did isn't a big deal in the overall scheme of things. But it does show, how despite what someone says, people in general make it what they want to hear.

As for being called a liar, hell man, people call me that all the time in here but no, I don't lie. I may be wrong, I may have incorrect info, but I don't lie and when being wrong is called out, I fully admit it.

I seldom see anyone else do that. Hell people still swear Trump said, drink bleach but have to jump through hoops to get there.

Most people don't see themselves as liars but dedicated 5o a cause.

Unless your cause is just being a troll. Then they lie 24x7 and mods never stop or discourage their attacks on either side.

You and I simply don't talk much. But I ran into the above with you. You misstated what I said and when called on it, just dropped it. Lie?

Not really. But what I said was you misrepresented what I said. You did it again when you said I called you a liar.

Easy enough to do for any of us. Problem is we tend to double down and make things a fight these days. We are in a bunker mentality and people stay extreme.

So while I do think you intentionally misread what I've said twice now, I think it's more today's mindset than people lying. We give ourselves and side that leeway but no one on "the other side".

Which iscwhy we are in crap times.

 

[WinterBorn]

Feed em to the lions!
Do we even have that many lions available?

Church and state are separated for good reasons.
Too much blurring of those lines in the last four decades.
No one is attacking your right to practice your religion.
We just don't want it shoved down our throats...that's all.

well people don't want homosexuality, transgender and so on forced down their throats either.

Providing equal rights and equal opportunities are directly confirmed for all in both the Declaration of Independence and the Preamble to the Constitution.

The right to vote needed to be affirmed in several Amendments to COTUS, and yet the new iteration of Republicans seek to deny these rights even as we sit here reading this page.

lol really? What about Nazis and their rights to murder Jews? Are they in need of 'equal rights'? Waht about rapists? Don't their needs matter too? Don't they need to be tolerated and allowed equal rights to do whatever they want? lol go smoke some more meth and watch some BLM videos.

There is no right to commit murder nor is their a right to rape, Bozo. Since this thread is based loosely on Christianity, one only needs to consult the Ten Commandments and the penal codes of western democracies and every State in our Union.

Pipe down, tard, everything I said re American history is documented fact; whether you like or not is relevant. And, according to your buddy Winterborn, it is ideed legal to rape somebody, as long as they're mentally ill freaks who 'consent' to it, and murdering babies by the millions for the horrible bourgoeis 'crime' of being 'inconvenient' is legal, too, according to your fellow sociopaths and degenerate deviants.

Oh? So you think it should not be legal for two consenting adults to have sex?

Funny that you pretend to high moral ground, and yet you have no problem lying repeatedly.

This coming from someone who intentionally misrepresents what I've said.

I did? When did I do that?

And please, feel free to point out any outright lies I have posted about what you said.

Earlier in this thread. I gave you my viewpoint, you chose to change it to something else. I corrected you and you stopped replying.

Lies have lost meaning in all the blurring of lines people do anymore. No what you said/did isn't a big deal in the overall scheme of things. But it does show, how despite what someone says, people in general make it what they want to hear.

As for being called a liar, hell man, people call me that all the time in here but no, I don't lie. I may be wrong, I may have incorrect info, but I don't lie and when being wrong is called out, I fully admit it.

I seldom see anyone else do that. Hell people still swear Trump said, drink bleach but have to jump through hoops to get there.

Most people don't see themselves as liars but dedicated 5o a cause.

Unless your cause is just being a troll. Then they lie 24x7 and mods never stop or discourage their attacks on either side.

You and I simply don't talk much. But I ran into the above with you. You misstated what I said and when called on it, just dropped it. Lie?

Not really. But what I said was you misrepresented what I said. You did it again when you said I called you a liar.

Easy enough to do for any of us. Problem is we tend to double down and make things a fight these days. We are in a bunker mentality and people stay extreme.

So while I do think you intentionally misread what I've said twice now, I think it's more today's mindset than people lying. We give ourselves and side that leeway but no one on "the other side".

Which iscwhy we are in crap times.

Oh that.

Well, in a thread about a particularly violent crime, you posted:
"Maybe not directly but the more you demonize and reduce police presence and authority, the more people will act up in general.
Promote lawlessness, oddly enough that's what you get"

My response was discussing your response within the topic of the thread. You talked about promoting lawlessness and demonizing authority, which I took as you blaming that as the cause or reason for the senseless murder of a social worker.

Perhaps I misunderstood. But it is a far cry from me outright lying about what you said, which Picaro did several times.

He accused me of saying things about churches & Christians, which I did not say. In fact, I discussed the gov't, not churches at all.
He accused me of defending pedophilia.
He accused me of deleting my posts.
And probably a couple of more lies I don't recall off the top of my head.

 

[iceberg]

Feed em to the lions!
Do we even have that many lions available?

Church and state are separated for good reasons.
Too much blurring of those lines in the last four decades.
No one is attacking your right to practice your religion.
We just don't want it shoved down our throats...that's all.

well people don't want homosexuality, transgender and so on forced down their throats either.

Providing equal rights and equal opportunities are directly confirmed for all in both the Declaration of Independence and the Preamble to the Constitution.

The right to vote needed to be affirmed in several Amendments to COTUS, and yet the new iteration of Republicans seek to deny these rights even as we sit here reading this page.

lol really? What about Nazis and their rights to murder Jews? Are they in need of 'equal rights'? Waht about rapists? Don't their needs matter too? Don't they need to be tolerated and allowed equal rights to do whatever they want? lol go smoke some more meth and watch some BLM videos.

There is no right to commit murder nor is their a right to rape, Bozo. Since this thread is based loosely on Christianity, one only needs to consult the Ten Commandments and the penal codes of western democracies and every State in our Union.

Pipe down, tard, everything I said re American history is documented fact; whether you like or not is relevant. And, according to your buddy Winterborn, it is ideed legal to rape somebody, as long as they're mentally ill freaks who 'consent' to it, and murdering babies by the millions for the horrible bourgoeis 'crime' of being 'inconvenient' is legal, too, according to your fellow sociopaths and degenerate deviants.

Oh? So you think it should not be legal for two consenting adults to have sex?

Funny that you pretend to high moral ground, and yet you have no problem lying repeatedly.

This coming from someone who intentionally misrepresents what I've said.

I did? When did I do that?

And please, feel free to point out any outright lies I have posted about what you said.

Earlier in this thread. I gave you my viewpoint, you chose to change it to something else. I corrected you and you stopped replying.

Lies have lost meaning in all the blurring of lines people do anymore. No what you said/did isn't a big deal in the overall scheme of things. But it does show, how despite what someone says, people in general make it what they want to hear.

As for being called a liar, hell man, people call me that all the time in here but no, I don't lie. I may be wrong, I may have incorrect info, but I don't lie and when being wrong is called out, I fully admit it.

I seldom see anyone else do that. Hell people still swear Trump said, drink bleach but have to jump through hoops to get there.

Most people don't see themselves as liars but dedicated 5o a cause.

Unless your cause is just being a troll. Then they lie 24x7 and mods never stop or discourage their attacks on either side.

You and I simply don't talk much. But I ran into the above with you. You misstated what I said and when called on it, just dropped it. Lie?

Not really. But what I said was you misrepresented what I said. You did it again when you said I called you a liar.

Easy enough to do for any of us. Problem is we tend to double down and make things a fight these days. We are in a bunker mentality and people stay extreme.

So while I do think you intentionally misread what I've said twice now, I think it's more today's mindset than people lying. We give ourselves and side that leeway but no one on "the other side".

Which iscwhy we are in crap times.

Oh that.

Well, in a thread about a particularly violent crime, you posted:
"Maybe not directly but the more you demonize and reduce police presence and authority, the more people will act up in general.
Promote lawlessness, oddly enough that's what you get"

My response was discussing your response within the topic of the thread. You talked about promoting lawlessness and demonizing authority, which I took as you blaming that as the cause or reason for the senseless murder of a social worker.

Perhaps I misunderstood. But it is a far cry from me outright lying about what you said, which Picaro did several times.

He accused me of saying things about churches & Christians, which I did not say. In fact, I discussed the gov't, not churches at all.
He accused me of defending pedophilia.
He accused me of deleting my posts.
And probably a couple of more lies I don't recall off the top of my head.

like i said - you chose to misrepresent what i said (unintentionally from what i know of you) and insert what you THOUGHT i meant.

my point isn't that you "lied" but how things go from something said to what you or others "hear" and then people getting upset at what was HEARD, not said.

far from any 1 side doing it. my "viewpoint" watching behavior and not trying to justify my own, but understand what others are doing and how it contributes to where we are. not trying to prove anyone right or wrong, liar or what not.

in regard to the post itself, i actually agree with you a social worker was stabbed and it is horrible. yes. but was it because no police were around? no. not likely. this is yet another case of people forcing their interpretations and taking ANY EXAMPLE they can to prove they are right, even if they have to bolster that with made up interpretations of what was said.

very people care what you SAY anymore in as much as what they HEAR. from there the arguments start and when you're living in a tinderbox of pissed off emotion, things get way out of hand quick and people suddenly are fighting about something that wasn't even the core topic.

hatfields and mccoys type shit.

to better explain what i was saying with the police and social workers, before the police were demonized and demanded to be defunded, there was a sense of law and order. you break the law, you get punished. it kept people from doing things illegal because they knew what would follow.

over the last 2 presidents, the police have been pretty much neutered. this isn't to say some reform or changes needed to be made, that goes for us all. we all need to grow up and learn from a past we keep erasing.

but by diminishing the authority of the police, and then seeing people riot in the streets for 6+ months now and NOTHING HAPPENING TO THEM, people get bold. they light more fires on the highway in california as we've seen homeless and others do this year they've not done before.

we see people attack the police and are out the next day cause someone in hollywood found their cause just and paid their bail, or the local DA found their cause just and let them to go enter society and do it again.

we've promoted a culture of no one gets punished anymore for their crimes. politicians to be sure, but look around. more and more people are getting away with crap because we've demonized the police and are trying to defund them.

so while no, it is not very likely a policeman would have been there to save this lady the pain of her attack had none of this happened, i do believe this and more things LIKE THIS will be happening because the police are nowhere in sight anymore.

look how much crime in general has gone up where the police have been seriously defunded like MN and WA. while there certainly wouldn't be a policeman to stop each and every one of those crimes, the idea that they are there and fully supported by the system did stop a bulk of it.

that is gone. look for more of this to continue and get worse until we decide law and order wasn't such a bad thing.

 

[WinterBorn]

Feed em to the lions!
Do we even have that many lions available?

Church and state are separated for good reasons.
Too much blurring of those lines in the last four decades.
No one is attacking your right to practice your religion.
We just don't want it shoved down our throats...that's all.

well people don't want homosexuality, transgender and so on forced down their throats either.

Providing equal rights and equal opportunities are directly confirmed for all in both the Declaration of Independence and the Preamble to the Constitution.

The right to vote needed to be affirmed in several Amendments to COTUS, and yet the new iteration of Republicans seek to deny these rights even as we sit here reading this page.

lol really? What about Nazis and their rights to murder Jews? Are they in need of 'equal rights'? Waht about rapists? Don't their needs matter too? Don't they need to be tolerated and allowed equal rights to do whatever they want? lol go smoke some more meth and watch some BLM videos.

There is no right to commit murder nor is their a right to rape, Bozo. Since this thread is based loosely on Christianity, one only needs to consult the Ten Commandments and the penal codes of western democracies and every State in our Union.

Pipe down, tard, everything I said re American history is documented fact; whether you like or not is relevant. And, according to your buddy Winterborn, it is ideed legal to rape somebody, as long as they're mentally ill freaks who 'consent' to it, and murdering babies by the millions for the horrible bourgoeis 'crime' of being 'inconvenient' is legal, too, according to your fellow sociopaths and degenerate deviants.

Oh? So you think it should not be legal for two consenting adults to have sex?

Funny that you pretend to high moral ground, and yet you have no problem lying repeatedly.

This coming from someone who intentionally misrepresents what I've said.

I did? When did I do that?

And please, feel free to point out any outright lies I have posted about what you said.

Earlier in this thread. I gave you my viewpoint, you chose to change it to something else. I corrected you and you stopped replying.

Lies have lost meaning in all the blurring of lines people do anymore. No what you said/did isn't a big deal in the overall scheme of things. But it does show, how despite what someone says, people in general make it what they want to hear.

As for being called a liar, hell man, people call me that all the time in here but no, I don't lie. I may be wrong, I may have incorrect info, but I don't lie and when being wrong is called out, I fully admit it.

I seldom see anyone else do that. Hell people still swear Trump said, drink bleach but have to jump through hoops to get there.

Most people don't see themselves as liars but dedicated 5o a cause.

Unless your cause is just being a troll. Then they lie 24x7 and mods never stop or discourage their attacks on either side.

You and I simply don't talk much. But I ran into the above with you. You misstated what I said and when called on it, just dropped it. Lie?

Not really. But what I said was you misrepresented what I said. You did it again when you said I called you a liar.

Easy enough to do for any of us. Problem is we tend to double down and make things a fight these days. We are in a bunker mentality and people stay extreme.

So while I do think you intentionally misread what I've said twice now, I think it's more today's mindset than people lying. We give ourselves and side that leeway but no one on "the other side".

Which iscwhy we are in crap times.

Oh that.

Well, in a thread about a particularly violent crime, you posted:
"Maybe not directly but the more you demonize and reduce police presence and authority, the more people will act up in general.
Promote lawlessness, oddly enough that's what you get"

My response was discussing your response within the topic of the thread. You talked about promoting lawlessness and demonizing authority, which I took as you blaming that as the cause or reason for the senseless murder of a social worker.

Perhaps I misunderstood. But it is a far cry from me outright lying about what you said, which Picaro did several times.

He accused me of saying things about churches & Christians, which I did not say. In fact, I discussed the gov't, not churches at all.
He accused me of defending pedophilia.
He accused me of deleting my posts.
And probably a couple of more lies I don't recall off the top of my head.

like i said - you chose to misrepresent what i said (unintentionally from what i know of you) and insert what you THOUGHT i meant.

my point isn't that you "lied" but how things go from something said to what you or others "hear" and then people getting upset at what was HEARD, not said.

far from any 1 side doing it. my "viewpoint" watching behavior and not trying to justify my own, but understand what others are doing and how it contributes to where we are. not trying to prove anyone right or wrong, liar or what not.

in regard to the post itself, i actually agree with you a social worker was stabbed and it is horrible. yes. but was it because no police were around? no. not likely. this is yet another case of people forcing their interpretations and taking ANY EXAMPLE they can to prove they are right, even if they have to bolster that with made up interpretations of what was said.

very people care what you SAY anymore in as much as what they HEAR. from there the arguments start and when you're living in a tinderbox of pissed off emotion, things get way out of hand quick and people suddenly are fighting about something that wasn't even the core topic.

hatfields and mccoys type shit.

to better explain what i was saying with the police and social workers, before the police were demonized and demanded to be defunded, there was a sense of law and order. you break the law, you get punished. it kept people from doing things illegal because they knew what would follow.

over the last 2 presidents, the police have been pretty much neutered. this isn't to say some reform or changes needed to be made, that goes for us all. we all need to grow up and learn from a past we keep erasing.

but by diminishing the authority of the police, and then seeing people riot in the streets for 6+ months now and NOTHING HAPPENING TO THEM, people get bold. they light more fires on the highway in california as we've seen homeless and others do this year they've not done before.

we see people attack the police and are out the next day cause someone in hollywood found their cause just and paid their bail, or the local DA found their cause just and let them to go enter society and do it again.

we've promoted a culture of no one gets punished anymore for their crimes. politicians to be sure, but look around. more and more people are getting away with crap because we've demonized the police and are trying to defund them.

so while no, it is not very likely a policeman would have been there to save this lady the pain of her attack had none of this happened, i do believe this and more things LIKE THIS will be happening because the police are nowhere in sight anymore.

look how much crime in general has gone up where the police have been seriously defunded like MN and WA. while there certainly wouldn't be a policeman to stop each and every one of those crimes, the idea that they are there and fully supported by the system did stop a bulk of it.

that is gone. look for more of this to continue and get worse until we decide law and order wasn't such a bad thing.

If I misunderstood what you tried to say, I apologize.

And this exchange between us is what should happen when things like this go wrong.

Because, unlike our exchange, Picaro lied about what I said and when challenged about it, chose cowardice over discussion.