- May 15, 2017
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like i said - you didn't call me a liar. in all fairness i did jump into an existing convo and you kinda have to expect that to happen as people get your ground viewpoints established.If I misunderstood what you tried to say, I apologize.like i said - you chose to misrepresent what i said (unintentionally from what i know of you) and insert what you THOUGHT i meant.Oh that.Earlier in this thread. I gave you my viewpoint, you chose to change it to something else. I corrected you and you stopped replying.I did? When did I do that?This coming from someone who intentionally misrepresents what I've said.Oh? So you think it should not be legal for two consenting adults to have sex?Pipe down, tard, everything I said re American history is documented fact; whether you like or not is relevant. And, according to your buddy Winterborn, it is ideed legal to rape somebody, as long as they're mentally ill freaks who 'consent' to it, and murdering babies by the millions for the horrible bourgoeis 'crime' of being 'inconvenient' is legal, too, according to your fellow sociopaths and degenerate deviants.There is no right to commit murder nor is their a right to rape, Bozo. Since this thread is based loosely on Christianity, one only needs to consult the Ten Commandments and the penal codes of western democracies and every State in our Union.lol really? What about Nazis and their rights to murder Jews? Are they in need of 'equal rights'? Waht about rapists? Don't their needs matter too? Don't they need to be tolerated and allowed equal rights to do whatever they want? lol go smoke some more meth and watch some BLM videos.Providing equal rights and equal opportunities are directly confirmed for all in both the Declaration of Independence and the Preamble to the Constitution.well people don't want homosexuality, transgender and so on forced down their throats either.Feed em to the lions!
Do we even have that many lions available?
Church and state are separated for good reasons.
Too much blurring of those lines in the last four decades.
No one is attacking your right to practice your religion.
We just don't want it shoved down our throats...that's all.
The right to vote needed to be affirmed in several Amendments to COTUS, and yet the new iteration of Republicans seek to deny these rights even as we sit here reading this page.
Funny that you pretend to high moral ground, and yet you have no problem lying repeatedly.
And please, feel free to point out any outright lies I have posted about what you said.
Lies have lost meaning in all the blurring of lines people do anymore. No what you said/did isn't a big deal in the overall scheme of things. But it does show, how despite what someone says, people in general make it what they want to hear.
As for being called a liar, hell man, people call me that all the time in here but no, I don't lie. I may be wrong, I may have incorrect info, but I don't lie and when being wrong is called out, I fully admit it.
I seldom see anyone else do that. Hell people still swear Trump said, drink bleach but have to jump through hoops to get there.
Most people don't see themselves as liars but dedicated 5o a cause.
Unless your cause is just being a troll. Then they lie 24x7 and mods never stop or discourage their attacks on either side.
You and I simply don't talk much. But I ran into the above with you. You misstated what I said and when called on it, just dropped it. Lie?
Not really. But what I said was you misrepresented what I said. You did it again when you said I called you a liar.
Easy enough to do for any of us. Problem is we tend to double down and make things a fight these days. We are in a bunker mentality and people stay extreme.
So while I do think you intentionally misread what I've said twice now, I think it's more today's mindset than people lying. We give ourselves and side that leeway but no one on "the other side".
Which iscwhy we are in crap times.
Well, in a thread about a particularly violent crime, you posted:
"Maybe not directly but the more you demonize and reduce police presence and authority, the more people will act up in general.
Promote lawlessness, oddly enough that's what you get"
My response was discussing your response within the topic of the thread. You talked about promoting lawlessness and demonizing authority, which I took as you blaming that as the cause or reason for the senseless murder of a social worker.
Perhaps I misunderstood. But it is a far cry from me outright lying about what you said, which Picaro did several times.
He accused me of saying things about churches & Christians, which I did not say. In fact, I discussed the gov't, not churches at all.
He accused me of defending pedophilia.
He accused me of deleting my posts.
And probably a couple of more lies I don't recall off the top of my head.
my point isn't that you "lied" but how things go from something said to what you or others "hear" and then people getting upset at what was HEARD, not said.
far from any 1 side doing it. my "viewpoint" watching behavior and not trying to justify my own, but understand what others are doing and how it contributes to where we are. not trying to prove anyone right or wrong, liar or what not.
in regard to the post itself, i actually agree with you a social worker was stabbed and it is horrible. yes. but was it because no police were around? no. not likely. this is yet another case of people forcing their interpretations and taking ANY EXAMPLE they can to prove they are right, even if they have to bolster that with made up interpretations of what was said.
very people care what you SAY anymore in as much as what they HEAR. from there the arguments start and when you're living in a tinderbox of pissed off emotion, things get way out of hand quick and people suddenly are fighting about something that wasn't even the core topic.
hatfields and mccoys type shit.
to better explain what i was saying with the police and social workers, before the police were demonized and demanded to be defunded, there was a sense of law and order. you break the law, you get punished. it kept people from doing things illegal because they knew what would follow.
over the last 2 presidents, the police have been pretty much neutered. this isn't to say some reform or changes needed to be made, that goes for us all. we all need to grow up and learn from a past we keep erasing.
but by diminishing the authority of the police, and then seeing people riot in the streets for 6+ months now and NOTHING HAPPENING TO THEM, people get bold. they light more fires on the highway in california as we've seen homeless and others do this year they've not done before.
we see people attack the police and are out the next day cause someone in hollywood found their cause just and paid their bail, or the local DA found their cause just and let them to go enter society and do it again.
we've promoted a culture of no one gets punished anymore for their crimes. politicians to be sure, but look around. more and more people are getting away with crap because we've demonized the police and are trying to defund them.
so while no, it is not very likely a policeman would have been there to save this lady the pain of her attack had none of this happened, i do believe this and more things LIKE THIS will be happening because the police are nowhere in sight anymore.
look how much crime in general has gone up where the police have been seriously defunded like MN and WA. while there certainly wouldn't be a policeman to stop each and every one of those crimes, the idea that they are there and fully supported by the system did stop a bulk of it.
that is gone. look for more of this to continue and get worse until we decide law and order wasn't such a bad thing.
And this exchange between us is what should happen when things like this go wrong.
Because, unlike our exchange, Picaro lied about what I said and when challenged about it, chose cowardice over discussion.
no need to apologize. i think we disagree on some big things but likely agree on just as many if we take time to talk and find them. my point was more noting a behavior that can lead to serious BS online if people don't take time to clarify.
i was being a bit anal to prove a point and thankfully you gave me a bit of room to do that. so i didn't push the anal part but chose to work to where we can come to an understanding.
wish more conversations in here would do that and be less emotionally driven. but that just isn't the time we are in.
but hopefully what i was saying about the "defund the police" movement and what i view to be the extended consequences of that makes more sense.