WillowTree
Diamond Member
- Sep 15, 2008
- 84,532
- 16,102
- 2,180
CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attac
- Thread starter KMAN
- Start date
Burp
Always carry, never tell
- Jan 22, 2009
- 1,133
- 190
- 48
Very true. Don't forget the tossing around of obscenities.
The "F" word is actually one of my favorites but not in the context our esteemed friend used.
another lying asshole chimes in
WEAK!
CNSnews.com? Dude, that's a totally rabid, partisan rightwing Bush loving site.
You're going to have to do better than an anonymous, unamed "cia source" in a far rightwing nutjob website.
sheeesh
Burp
Always carry, never tell
- Jan 22, 2009
- 1,133
- 190
- 48
WASHINGTON – President Obama’s national intelligence director told colleagues in a private memo last week that the harsh interrogation techniques banned by the White House did produce significant information that helped the nation in its struggle with terrorists.
“High value information came from interrogations in which those methods were used and provided a deeper understanding of the al Qa’ida organization that was attacking this country,” Adm. Dennis C. Blair, the intelligence director, wrote in a memo to his staff last Thursday.
Admiral Blair sent his memo on the same day the administration publicly released secret Bush administration legal memos authorizing the use of interrogation methods that the Obama White House has deemed to be illegal torture. Among other things, the Bush administration memos revealed that two captured Qaeda operatives were subjected to a form of near-drowning known as waterboarding a total of 266 times.
Admiral BlairÂ’s assessment that the interrogation methods did produce important information was deleted from a condensed version of his memo released to the media last Thursday. Also deleted was a line in which he empathized with his predecessors who originally approved some of the harsh tactics after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
“I like to think I would not have approved those methods in the past,” he wrote, “but I do not fault those who made the decisions at that time, and I will absolutely defend those who carried out the interrogations within the orders they were given.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/22/us/politics/22blair.html?_r=1&hp
Conveniently left out of the press release?
He also defends those who carried out the interrogations?
Looks like someone in BO government has sense.
“High value information came from interrogations in which those methods were used and provided a deeper understanding of the al Qa’ida organization that was attacking this country,” Adm. Dennis C. Blair, the intelligence director, wrote in a memo to his staff last Thursday.
Admiral Blair sent his memo on the same day the administration publicly released secret Bush administration legal memos authorizing the use of interrogation methods that the Obama White House has deemed to be illegal torture. Among other things, the Bush administration memos revealed that two captured Qaeda operatives were subjected to a form of near-drowning known as waterboarding a total of 266 times.
Admiral BlairÂ’s assessment that the interrogation methods did produce important information was deleted from a condensed version of his memo released to the media last Thursday. Also deleted was a line in which he empathized with his predecessors who originally approved some of the harsh tactics after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
“I like to think I would not have approved those methods in the past,” he wrote, “but I do not fault those who made the decisions at that time, and I will absolutely defend those who carried out the interrogations within the orders they were given.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/22/us/politics/22blair.html?_r=1&hp
Conveniently left out of the press release?
He also defends those who carried out the interrogations?
Looks like someone in BO government has sense.
raceright
Member
War you have to be commited if not do not fight it, no rules and no geneva convention,do gooders stay home either fight to win or stay home,War is a crime you enter into one an all is fair get over it.
Evangelical
Member
- Apr 18, 2009
- 306
- 13
- 16
I'd rather see you prove your convictions before you lecture us about how morally superior you are.
If Obama allowed high interrogation that protected liberal lives (such as New Yorkers or Angelinos and Hollywooders) yes we would applaud him for that one miniscule service in the greater scheme of his great ineptitude.
Bullypulpit
Senior Member
God...every time you post something, it's just another dumb-ass attack. SERE school gives trainees a small taste of what torture is. It has a definite time frame...you will be released at the end of the course...you go home when you're done, a little wiser, but no worse for the wear.
The detainees at GITMO, and elsewhere, have been detained with no endpoint in sight...they may never be released...if they are released, they will carry profound physical and psychological scars.
If you want a detailed dissertation on the subject from a former SERE school instructor...
And your hypothetical situation is just that, a fictional situation thought true by folks who have watched to many episodes of "24" never realizing that it too is fiction.
Last edited:
Bullypulpit
Senior Member
I will assume from your handle that you fancy yourself a Christian. If you are, I have a question for you...
Who would Jesus torture?
raceright
Member
Most in the USA have no stomach for war and our enemies know it now more than ever. Wake up there are no rules and you fools think there should be,Geneva convention my ass in war its kill or be killed,get what you can from prisoners and save lives. Assholes heads get cut off,women raped,about all the worst things in the bible why you think we do not want to go to war but if you do your hands cannot be tied. My father in law was captured in the Philippines during WW2 by the Jap's he was tortured plenty and unlike McCain he tells it like it is fuck the enemy win the war and no holds barred torture is part of war like Drugs ya might not like that they exist but you are never going to stop it and if you play by rules and other side laughs at ya.
Bullypulpit
Senior Member
Ahhh...another dumb-ass attack. Are you and Skully butt-buddies?
More on the myth...
You guys gotta get out more and stop watching so much bad tv.
Bullypulpit
Senior Member
Please, by all means , refute it...If you can.
Burp
Always carry, never tell
- Jan 22, 2009
- 1,133
- 190
- 48
The Progressive is an American monthly magazine of politics and culture with a pronounced leftist perspective. Known for its pacifism, it has strongly opposed military interventions, such as the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. The magazine also devotes much coverage to civil rights, civil liberties, and environmentalism. It has opposed nuclear weapons from August 1945 to the present.
In the 1980s, it published stories about U.S. support for death squads in Central America. During the 1990s, The Progressive campaigned on behalf of immigrants, women on welfare, LGBT social movements, and prisoners. In recent years, it worked to end the economic sanctions on Iraq, to prevent U.S. involvement in the Colombian civil war, to adopt a more liberal policy toward drugs, and to institute public funding of political campaigns.
WXXM-FM in Madison, Wisconsin, an Air America Radio affiliate, features a "Progressive Radio" show with Matthew Rothschild. The half-hour show is broadcast on terrestrial and Internet radio stations across the country, as is a daily audio editorial, The Progressive Point of View, which features Rothschild.
The Progressive - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
-----
Definitely an un-biased news periodical.
In the 1980s, it published stories about U.S. support for death squads in Central America. During the 1990s, The Progressive campaigned on behalf of immigrants, women on welfare, LGBT social movements, and prisoners. In recent years, it worked to end the economic sanctions on Iraq, to prevent U.S. involvement in the Colombian civil war, to adopt a more liberal policy toward drugs, and to institute public funding of political campaigns.
WXXM-FM in Madison, Wisconsin, an Air America Radio affiliate, features a "Progressive Radio" show with Matthew Rothschild. The half-hour show is broadcast on terrestrial and Internet radio stations across the country, as is a daily audio editorial, The Progressive Point of View, which features Rothschild.
The Progressive - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
-----
Definitely an un-biased news periodical.
no shit
LOL
Burp
Always carry, never tell
- Jan 22, 2009
- 1,133
- 190
- 48
how about i refute it with a link to newsmax or WND, you'd accept those sources, right
Please, by all means , refute it...If you can.
Zoom-boing
Platinum Member
My daughter sent me this:
"This was written by a Canadian woman, but oh how it also applies to the U.S. , U.K. and Australia.
Written by a housewife in New Brunswick, to her local newspaper. This is one ticked off lady.
'Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001 and have continually threatened to do so since?
Were people from all over the world not brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan, across the Potomac from the nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania ?
Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?
And I'm supposed to care that a few Taliban were claiming to be tortured by a justice system of the nation they come from and are fighting against in a brutal insurgency.
I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.
I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere belief of which is a crime punishable by beheading in Afghanistan .
I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.
I'll care when the cowardly so-called 'insurgents' in Afghanistan come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques.
I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.
I'll care when the Canadian media stops pretending that their freedom of speech on stories is more important than the lives of the soldiers on the ground or their families waiting at home to hear about them when something happens.
In the meantime, when I hear a story about a CANADIAN soldier roughing up an Insurgent terrorist to obtain information, know this:
I don't care.
When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank:
I don't care.
When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and 'fed special' food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being 'mishandled,' you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts:
I don't care.
And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled 'Koran' and other times 'Quran.' Well, Jimmy Crack Corn you guessed it,
I don't care!!
And may I add:
'Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Soldiers don't have that problem.'
One last thought for the day:
Only five defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
1. Jesus Christ
2. The Canadian Soldier.
3. The British Soldier.
4. The US Soldier, and
5. The Australian Soldier
One died for your soul, the other 4 for your freedom.
If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your E-mail friends. Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for this ridiculous behavior!
If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button. Should you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great Country'."
Ah, yup.
"This was written by a Canadian woman, but oh how it also applies to the U.S. , U.K. and Australia.
Written by a housewife in New Brunswick, to her local newspaper. This is one ticked off lady.
'Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001 and have continually threatened to do so since?
Were people from all over the world not brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan, across the Potomac from the nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania ?
Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?
And I'm supposed to care that a few Taliban were claiming to be tortured by a justice system of the nation they come from and are fighting against in a brutal insurgency.
I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.
I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere belief of which is a crime punishable by beheading in Afghanistan .
I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.
I'll care when the cowardly so-called 'insurgents' in Afghanistan come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques.
I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.
I'll care when the Canadian media stops pretending that their freedom of speech on stories is more important than the lives of the soldiers on the ground or their families waiting at home to hear about them when something happens.
In the meantime, when I hear a story about a CANADIAN soldier roughing up an Insurgent terrorist to obtain information, know this:
I don't care.
When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank:
I don't care.
When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and 'fed special' food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being 'mishandled,' you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts:
I don't care.
And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled 'Koran' and other times 'Quran.' Well, Jimmy Crack Corn you guessed it,
I don't care!!
And may I add:
'Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Soldiers don't have that problem.'
One last thought for the day:
Only five defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
1. Jesus Christ
2. The Canadian Soldier.
3. The British Soldier.
4. The US Soldier, and
5. The Australian Soldier
One died for your soul, the other 4 for your freedom.
If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your E-mail friends. Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for this ridiculous behavior!
If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button. Should you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great Country'."
Ah, yup.
Red Dawn
Senior Member
well, it's settled then. Debate over.
Republicans love torture, they love sadism, and they think torturing is as american as apple pie.
Liberals, and sane republicans like Ron paul and John mcCain think torture is unamerican, illegal and immoral.
Republicans love torture, they love sadism, and they think torturing is as american as apple pie.
Liberals, and sane republicans like Ron paul and John mcCain think torture is unamerican, illegal and immoral.
wrong again, asshole
the debate is on just what is torture
you saying talking to them harshly is torture
we dont
you are just a fucking pussy assed wimp
Similar threads
- Locked
New Topics
-
-
-
ancestryDNA eye color surveys of eastern european roma
- Started by Mortimer
- Replies: 0
-
-
