Christie Vetoes Gay Marriage

[JakeStarkey]

Universal marriage in no way threatens civil or religious liberties of anyone.

This movement is unstoppable.

 

[peach174]

It is not just Leviticus it's in the new Testament.

Romans 1:27-32 (King James Version)
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators [Gk: paramours], nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [Gk: catamites], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [Gk: sodomites] nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God" (I Cor. 6:9-10).

You can say bullshit all you want , but if you read our history, we have always been a Christian Nation.

That's not your god...that's Paul. Glad to have been of help in that regard.

(This help precluded you believing that your god is Paul)

That is Paul speaking about GOD"S LAW

 

[JakeStarkey]

That is your belief that Paul is talking about God's law.

We are secular nation of secular laws.

 

[bodecea]

It is not just Leviticus it's in the new Testament.

Romans 1:27-32 (King James Version)
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators [Gk: paramours], nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [Gk: catamites], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [Gk: sodomites] nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God" (I Cor. 6:9-10).

You can say bullshit all you want , but if you read our history, we have always been a Christian Nation.

No we have not. Being a nation with a majority of many different sects of Christianity does not make us a christian nation.

Just like being a nation with a majority of right handed people does not make us a right-handed nation.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Even if we were a Christian nation, the Constitution in no way gives particular consideration to anyone's religious belief in determination of the law.

 

[peach174]

That is your belief that Paul is talking about God's law.

We are secular nation of secular laws.

Not when 76% of this nation is Christian.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yep, you are wrong. This is not a democracy when it comes to institutional, constitutional issues.

Sorry, that's the way it is.

 

[bodecea]

That is your belief that Paul is talking about God's law.

We are secular nation of secular laws.

Not when 76% of this nation is Christian.

So what.

And those 'christians' are divided into at least a 100 different sects. For example, many of those christians you tote are FOR gay marriage, have PERFORMED gay marriages in their churches and ARE gay.

 

[Valerie]

To those of you invoking the Bible, AGAIN (yawn), SO WHAT if your God thinks someone is a "sinner"...?


Wake up and get a clue, God said we are ALL sinners, so please DO try to get past that point with your failed logic... The US Constitution does not defer to the Bible and the 14th Amendment does not exclude SINNERS.



All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

 

[uscitizen]

Christie Vetoes Gay Marriage

Wow! He better hope he never goes to prison.

 

[bodecea]

To those of you invoking the Bible, AGAIN (yawn), SO WHAT if your God thinks someone is a "sinner"...?


Wake up and get a clue, God said we are ALL sinners, so please DO try to get past that point with your failed logic... The US Constitution does not defer to the Bible and the 14th Amendment does not exclude SINNERS.



All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

But...but...but....it's all about the CHRISTIANS!!!!!! They get to DICTATE what rules everyone else has to live under!!!!!!

 

[peach174]

It's about unhealthy lifestyles. Not Dictating.
Alcoholics die fairly young
Drug users die young
Smokers die young
Overeating you die fairly young
Homosexuals die fairly young.

 

[uscitizen]

It's about unhealthy lifestyles. Not Dictating.
Alcoholics die fairly young
Drug users die young
Smokers die young
Overeating you die fairly young
Homosexuals die fairly young.

Ahh most christians ignore the sin of gluttony.

 

[Texanmike]

"I am adhering to what I've said since this bill was first introduced — an issue of this magnitude and importance, which requires a constitutional amendment, should be left to the people of New Jersey to decide,"

Seems like he wants the people to make the decision. And you have a problem with this?

Yes, you cant violate anothers constitutional rights, voting like prop 8 in cali was just that.im not sure how many times this has to be told to you people, but seriously buy a clue.

Where do you find a right in the Constitution? Without using interpretation, show me where you think that the right to be married lies in the Constitution? Better yet, show me where that authority is taken away from the states?

Mike

 

[bodecea]

It's about unhealthy lifestyles. Not Dictating.

Alcoholics die fairly young
Drug users die young
Smokers die young
Overeating you die fairly young
Homosexuals die fairly young.[/QUOTE]



So, in order to not appear the self-righteous hypocrite, you are fighting to keep all of those groups from being afforded civil marriage licenses.


Right?


(BTW, are you aware that one of the fastest growing businesses catering to gay clientele is the Retirement Community business?....so much for "dieing fairly young")

 

[Texanmike]

To those of you invoking the Bible, AGAIN (yawn), SO WHAT if your God thinks someone is a "sinner"...?


Wake up and get a clue, God said we are ALL sinners, so please DO try to get past that point with your failed logic... The US Constitution does not defer to the Bible and the 14th Amendment does not exclude SINNERS.



All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Do you know the intention of the text which you are quoting?

Mike

 

[Mr.Nick]

Dumb, dumb dumb...

U.S. News - NJ Gov. Christie vetoes same-sex marriage bill

I've always been a critic of judges who decide they are going to disregard the will of legistlatures and the populace and impose these things, but here's a case where they did it the right way, they passed a bill, and Christie the Hutt decides he's stull sucking up to be RomBot's running mate.

Oh shut the **** up...

Yeah, kinda like prop 8 that was democratically voted on?? or Walker up in Wisconsin who was democratically elected, then passed an anti-collective bargaining law in which democrats ran to Illinois and are now trying to recall him??

How about Obama threatening to veto any bill that is passed by the House that makes it passed Senate??????

But yeah, I bet no leftist slime **** would have a problem with Obama vetoing a bill..

As usual progressives are pathetic *****...

 

[WorldWatcher]

It's about unhealthy lifestyles. Not Dictating.
Alcoholics die fairly young
Drug users die young
Smokers die young
Overeating you die fairly young
Homosexuals die fairly young.

So what is the difference? If Alcoholics die fairly young, Drug users die fairly young, Smokers die fairly young, Obese people die fairly young and homosexuals die fairly young. Why is it only one of the identified groups is being barred from Civil Marriage (in most places).

Then logic dictates that it is not the "unhealthly lifestyle" which is the reason for barring them from Civil Marriage when others who live unhealthy lifestyles are not barred from Civil Marriage.

The reality is that "unhealthy lifestyle" is a dodge, a rationalization because it is not logically supported.

HIV/AIDS related deaths were 16,789 (the lowest of the listed groups), with smoking related deaths were 394,195 (the highest). People are 2347.94 times more likely to die from smoking then from being a homosexual. Yet smokers are allowed to Civilly Marry but homosexuals are not (in most places). The argument that the focus is that it is more "unhealthy" does not ring true.



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[peach174]

It's about unhealthy lifestyles. Not Dictating.

Alcoholics die fairly young
Drug users die young
Smokers die young
Overeating you die fairly young
Homosexuals die fairly young.

So, in order to not appear the self-righteous hypocrite, you are fighting to keep all of those groups from being afforded civil marriage licenses.


Right?


(BTW, are you aware that one of the fastest growing businesses catering to gay clientele is the Retirement Community business?....so much for "dieing fairly young")[/QUOTE]

How many times do I have to say that gay's should have their rights under the law?
I bet you that they did not run around on their partners either and that's how they made it to a ripe old age.

 

[bodecea]

"I am adhering to what I've said since this bill was first introduced — an issue of this magnitude and importance, which requires a constitutional amendment, should be left to the people of New Jersey to decide,"

Seems like he wants the people to make the decision. And you have a problem with this?

Yes, you cant violate anothers constitutional rights, voting like prop 8 in cali was just that.im not sure how many times this has to be told to you people, but seriously buy a clue.

Where do you find a right in the Constitution? Without using interpretation, show me where you think that the right to be married lies in the Constitution? Better yet, show me where that authority is taken away from the states?

Mike

Gee...you got us there. NO ONE has the right to marry.