Christians in the Holy Land

[amity1844]

1) If Ilan Pappe is a revisionist (and he plainly seems to be, as he is revising the mythology that Zionism/state of Israel has served up on a platter to the gullible for over 100 years now) then you are welcome to take that up with him. I did not present his work to serve a as a framework for analysis of evolving perspectives in the discipline of history. I am only interested in his work uncovering materials that document the strategies and methodology of Zionism.

2) I don't know what would constitute 'evil Jew music' other than a paranoid state on your part. There is no such thing as 'evil Jew music' and that is a moronic thing to say.

 

[Lipush]

Here's another film on settlers stoning Christian kids:

Jew Settlers Stoning Palestine Christian Children walking to school - YouTube

Crazy people exist everywhere.

Those who do that don't represent us.

 

[amity1844]

The video doesn't emphasize the fact that ARABS just sold out their fellow Arabs, it emphasizes how EVIL a LEGAL transaction is.

Amity, you are a ******* idiot.

if land is obtained through fraud then the transaction is not valid in any legal system.

and less than two weeks ago you were saying the Palestinians were squatters. Now don't be an opportunistic liar, you've got to pick a lie and stick to it.

 

[amity1844]

MORE SOURCES:

Note one of these sources claims 35% of all Palestinians are Christian. I don't know if that figure is accurate and if so, does the discrepancy with current Palestinian demographics reflect the extreme harshness of the Israeli regime toward Christian Palestinians? And why does Israel reserve its worst and most abusive treatment for Christians anyway?

In Palestine 2012 years ago:


Faith, Love & Hope:

 

[proudveteran06]

Here's another film on settlers stoning Christian kids:

Jew Settlers Stoning Palestine Christian Children walking to school - YouTube

You mean, Amity, you don't have any videos of your friends' chyildren stoning young Jewish youths? Bad girl!!! Yes, the children of Amity's friends are such angels. They wouldn't harm a fly. No one expects them to throw stones at young children and even grown-ups. Their parents taught them that you should never throw stones, even at those darn Jews.

Too bad she doesn't condemn Muslim Beheadings . Neither did Sheri. .

 

[amity1844]

Can you tell me when the most recent beheading took place in Palestine?

...and who performed it?

 

[Sally]

Can you tell me when the most recent beheading took place in Palestine?

...and who performed it?

Well I don't know about beheadings, but Fatah and Hamas sure did a job on each other. And we shouldn't forget the Israeli soldier who was killed at one time, and Amity's friends were holding up the dead soldier's organs.

 

[Indeependent]

'evil Jew music'

No quite so moronic.
I suggest you watch a 1960s Vincent Price movie to learn about "Evil" music.
You're so full of shit it's laughable.

And you still haven't commented on that LEGAL transaction where Arabs sold out their fellow Arabs. [Accompanied, of course, by "Evil Jew"ish music]

 

[amity1844]

'evil Jew music'

No quite so moronic.
I suggest you watch a 1960s Vincent Price movie to learn about "Evil" music.
You're so full of shit it's laughable.

And you still haven't commented on that LEGAL transaction where Arabs sold out their fellow Arabs. [Accompanied, of course, by "Evil Jew"ish music]

That idiotic and anti-Semitic "evil Jew music" comment was from Sally, so SALLY is the moron you must take to task for it, Indeependent.

But I have a strong feeling you knew that and simply enjoy the misrepresentation of facts in a vain attempt to discredit your adversaries.

 

[aris2chat]

MORE SOURCES:

Note one of these sources claims 35% of all Palestinians are Christian. I don't know if that figure is accurate and if so, does the discrepancy with current Palestinian demographics reflect the extreme harshness of the Israeli regime toward Christian Palestinians? And why does Israel reserve its worst and most abusive treatment for Christians anyway?

In Palestine 2012 years ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_lNVJqaCMg

Faith, Love & Hope:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZjMNFIL-7Y

10% of the total palestinian population in the world are christians
50,000 Christians in the Palestinian territories and around 3,000 of them lived in the Gaza Strip.

You need to actually seek facts and not you tube clips. Try reading.
check and double check facts.
Most clips are produced and edited to tell the desired story. They might, if valid, support evidence but should be accompanied with articles with references/links of some kind so others can further investigate, if they wish.

Videos might touch emotions but they should have a trail so they can be authenticated
Dates, place, who is speaking, who is making the video, what other circumstances behind the video are there, what is the goal of the video.

You come here like a child doing an assignment and all they did was stick a few cut out picture and turn that in. Pictures compliment a story, they can be deceiving and too much can be left out of the whole picture. Pictures should not be the whole story.

You tube clips might have come from or linked to a site that gives more information. You are missing so much and just plain lazy.

 

[amity1844]

The reason I commented on the stated percentage of 35% is that it seemed a bit high to me. And so I did some checking and for whatever reason Christians have been leaving Israel and the occupied territories in much greater numbers than Muslims. In 1948 percentages of 30% and up are not uncommonly cited, but no longer. Now the Christian population stands at about 10% and shrinking due to Israeli policies. One does meet many more Christian Palestinians in the U.S., such as Edward Said, etc.

I like the sources I am finding, they are informative and well-sourced documentaries with not a trace of hate, I am getting positive comments from people I do respect, and hat I am turning up is very effectively embarrassing Israel..

So what more could I want to achieve here? If I was trying to research for a dissertation defense, I wouldn't be defending my dissertation here. What I am doing is SO much better than what you lazy Zionists are doing that I am quite satisfied with the progress I have made, I am accumulating a source list for other projects, and I am forging connections with some good people.

 

[aris2chat]

The reason I commented on the stated percentage of 35% is that it seemed a bit high to me. And so I did some checking and for whatever reason Christians have been leaving Israel and the occupied territories in much greater numbers than Muslims. In 1948 percentages of 30% and up are not uncommonly cited, but no longer. Now the Christian population stands at about 10% and shrinking due to Israeli policies. One does meet many more Christian Palestinians in the U.S., such as Edward Said, etc.

I like the sources I am finding, they are informative and well-sourced documentaries with not a trace of hate, I am getting positive comments from people I do respect, and hat I am turning up is very effectively embarrassing Israel..

So what more could I want to achieve here? If I was trying to research for a dissertation defense, I wouldn't be defending my dissertation here. What I am doing is SO much better than what you lazy Zionists are doing that I am quite satisfied with the progress I have made, I am accumulating a source list for other projects, and I am forging connections with some good people.

most of the palestinians in the US that I know are christian.
check the date of the sites you use and how they conduct the polling/census for date and what is the purpose.

You really need some broader reading material. You are getting a lot of disinformation and taking it a factual.

 

[Indeependent]

I am forging connections with some good people.

Yes, I noticed you have garnered quite a collection of allies...not.

 

[amity1844]

You really need some broader reading material. You are getting a lot of disinformation and taking it a factual.

In general I like to rely on primary sources.

 

[aris2chat]

You really need some broader reading material. You are getting a lot of disinformation and taking it a factual.

In general I like to rely on primary sources.

but it is not factual or not primary.

 

[amity1844]

Like I said, serious scholarship would not be defended in the same fashion.

But for what we are doing here, these videos are wonderful. They are the authentic voices of important segments of Israel/Palestine that up until a few years ago would not have been heard. Now they can produce videos and post them on You Tube and be be heard. And if they are genuine voices and their videos are representative of sincere effort, I am quite willing to give them air time on this forum. I believe they are the exact people we should listen to.

 

[Phoenall]

Let's see what I can come up with concerning Palestinian Christians.

Christians are historically about 10% of the Palestinian population and belong to a great variety of faiths, from some of the oldest Christian sects in the world to some very modern Protestant faiths. The Palestinian Christians typically identify strongly with Palestinian nationalism and in fact have had an extremely high profile in the Palestinian resistance.

But within recent years the members of these 2000 year old communities have been leaving their homes in great numbers, to the point that there is doubt about whether there will even be a Christian presence in the Holy Land in a few years:

60 Minutes:
Christians of the Holy Land - YouTube

The Stones Cry Out. This is the trailer for a full length film I would love to see in its entirety.
TRAILER: THE STONES CRY OUT - THE STORY OF THE PALESTINIAN CHRISTIANS - YouTube

Interview with professor at Bethlehem University:
Christians of the Holy Land - Why Palestinian Christians are Leaving, with Bernard Sabella - YouTube

Attacks on Palestinian Christians:
Attacks on Palestinian Christians during the Holy Week of 2013 - YouTube

Christians harassed by Israel:
Christians Harassed By Israel ~ Zionists Against Churches - YouTube

That oughta get our discussion started.

Only one problem, we have seen it all before and destroyed the videos by showing the source to be pro Palestinian. Also it is a fact that the Christians have been reduced to less than 2% of the population of Palestine through ethnic cleansing and forced conversions.

Do try to keep up with current events and stop using ISLAMONAZI SOURCES for your information.

 

[Phoenall]

Sally, that is absurd. Watch the videos, child.

Then we can talk. The subject being institutionalized violence by Israel against Palestinian Christians.

The same videos were posted by your predecessors and were ripped apart then. Nothing has changed the same ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA is being repeated by the new ISLAMONAZI SHILL

 

[Phoenall]

They're not afraid to speak up!
They're speaking loud and clear!!!

And the ones that escape Palestine speak even clearer and more loudly about the ethnic cleansing and beatings at the hands of the muslims.

So which faction is right ?

 

[Phoenall]

Here's another film on settlers stoning Christian kids:

Jew Settlers Stoning Palestine Christian Children walking to school - YouTube

Could not see any evidence of them being Christians or of any stone throwing. Just another example of ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA