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Christianity's single requirement and Islam's plenty

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Muslims, looking at Christianity, can't help but feel embarrassment because of the great oddness of Christianity.

Christianity has one requirement to reach heaven: to believe in Jesus as the God Who died for the people to be saved.

On the other hand, Islam has many requirements to reach heaven. There are 3 types of requirements: some pertain to what one believes (God, angels, Prophets, revealed books, Day of Judgment, etc...), some pertain to what worship one does and how (5 daily prayers, fasting, pilgrimage in Mecca, mandatory alms-giving, regular remembrance and mention of God, etc...), some pertain to having and keeping a pure heart (not to hate anyone, to love everyone and every living thing, not to lie, not to cheat, not to deceive, not to come against anyone, to love God, to fear God, to hope in God, to trust in God, to dedicate oneself to God, to live for God, and for His beloved Prophet and favourite friend, Muhammad, peace be upon him, etc...)

The first thing asked of a Muslim is to seek knowledge. Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "to seek knowledge is mandatory for every Muslim". Islam goes by its scholars. Islamic libraries are filled with tons and tons of books. All these books are explaining the Qur'an and the Hadiths (the Hadiths are the sayings of Muhammad, peace be upon him). The Muslim must learn these books and acquire knowledge, that is mandatory and the first requirement. Maybe the most famous and the greatest of all the books of Islam is the Ihya Ulum Id Din of Abu Hamid Al Ghazali, perhaps the greatest theologian and scholar of the history of Islam, and who has been nicknamed Hujjat Al Islam (Proof of Islam).

And then Islam would be a ''cult'', and Christianity or Judaism would be the ''religions''. Perhaps, you may now realise how insane this sounds.

Islam is about its Ulama and Awliya (scholars and saints): Rumi, Ibn Arabi (of 12th century Muslim Spain), Saadi, Hafiz, Al Ghazali, etc. Some are specialised in the Sharia (the Divine Islamic Law): Imam Shafi, Imam Malik, Imam Abou Hanifa, Imam Ahmad Hanbal, etc.

Islam is not a "cult''. It is a religion. Muhammad (peace be upon him) is not a "highly intelligent" leader, he is a divine prophet of God. Jesus was, (peace be upon him), and Abraham was (peace be upon him), Moses was (peace be upon him), Noah was (peace be upon him), Joseph was (peace be upon him and his family) and many others, numbering 124 000, (peace be upon them all). But I don't think Christianity or Judaism teaches any of that.
 

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You're ignorant about Christian and Jewish tenents. Judaism is especially abundant in strict rules to live by... to a crazy degree.
 

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All religions are a creation of man – all equally false, all equally wrong.
 

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Muslims, looking at Christianity, can't help but feel embarrassment because of the great oddness of Christianity.
Yet you believe the same God that created Judaism and Christianity created Islam. Are you embarrassed by God's work?

Christianity has one requirement to reach heaven: to believe in Jesus as the God Who died for the people to be saved.

On the other hand, Islam has many requirements to reach heaven. [...] some pertain to what worship one does and how (5 daily prayers, fasting, pilgrimage in Mecca, mandatory alms-giving, regular remembrance and mention of God, etc...)
Yet none of God's previous messengers mentioned 5 daily prayers (or pilgrimage in Mecca) or most requirements of Islam. Same eternal God but different rules?
 

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Muslims, looking at Christianity, can't help but feel embarrassment because of the great oddness of Christianity.

Christianity has one requirement to reach heaven: to believe in Jesus as the God Who died for the people to be saved.

On the other hand, Islam has many requirements to reach heaven. There are 3 types of requirements: some pertain to what one believes (God, angels, Prophets, revealed books, Day of Judgment, etc...), some pertain to what worship one does and how (5 daily prayers, fasting, pilgrimage in Mecca, mandatory alms-giving, regular remembrance and mention of God, etc...), some pertain to having and keeping a pure heart (not to hate anyone, to love everyone and every living thing, not to lie, not to cheat, not to deceive, not to come against anyone, to love God, to fear God, to hope in God, to trust in God, to dedicate oneself to God, to live for God, and for His beloved Prophet and favourite friend, Muhammad, peace be upon him, etc...)

The first thing asked of a Muslim is to seek knowledge. Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "to seek knowledge is mandatory for every Muslim". Islam goes by its scholars. Islamic libraries are filled with tons and tons of books. All these books are explaining the Qur'an and the Hadiths (the Hadiths are the sayings of Muhammad, peace be upon him). The Muslim must learn these books and acquire knowledge, that is mandatory and the first requirement. Maybe the most famous and the greatest of all the books of Islam is the Ihya Ulum Id Din of Abu Hamid Al Ghazali, perhaps the greatest theologian and scholar of the history of Islam, and who has been nicknamed Hujjat Al Islam (Proof of Islam).

And then Islam would be a ''cult'', and Christianity or Judaism would be the ''religions''. Perhaps, you may now realise how insane this sounds.

Islam is about its Ulama and Awliya (scholars and saints): Rumi, Ibn Arabi (of 12th century Muslim Spain), Saadi, Hafiz, Al Ghazali, etc. Some are specialised in the Sharia (the Divine Islamic Law): Imam Shafi, Imam Malik, Imam Abou Hanifa, Imam Ahmad Hanbal, etc.

Islam is not a "cult''. It is a religion. Muhammad (peace be upon him) is not a "highly intelligent" leader, he is a divine prophet of God. Jesus was, (peace be upon him), and Abraham was (peace be upon him), Moses was (peace be upon him), Noah was (peace be upon him), Joseph was (peace be upon him and his family) and many others, numbering 124 000, (peace be upon them all). But I don't think Christianity or Judaism teaches any of that.

So in Islam, if you just TRY REALLY HARD, I mean really hard, your entire life, or who knows how long, or how hard, Allah might accept you into Heaven. We don't know if he will or will not, or what his standards are. His holiness is somewhat---arbitrary. Right? This is what I'm understanding. Because Allah can accept less than perfectly holy people into his presence. I don't understand how this works.

This is not the case in Christianity.

In Christianity, our supremely Holy God, whose Holiness is not mitigated and can NEVER ever be attained by us, not now or ever, no matter how hard or long we try, is not arbitrary.

It is perfect Holiness. And perfect Holiness cannot accept into its presence less than perfect Holiness, because Holiness is also perfectly just. It cannot wave its hand at any sin, any injustice, and say, "well, you tried REALLY HARD, so okay."

Nope. EVERY sin, any sin eliminates your chance of being with a perfectly Holy God forever--that is, in Heaven with that perfectly Holy God. So, in that state, we were doomed.

But God is loving, and He is merciful. Thus, Jesus Christ, His only Son, stood in our place as a substitute for our sin. A sacrifice, an atonement that God will accept. He suffered the punishment, we reap the benefit. The penalty is paid, thus Justice is served.

None of this is true in Islam. I don't know how you pay penalty for sins, or how God forgives them, and how this is just. Allah is arbitrary. And that's how it is.
 

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Muslims, looking at Christianity, can't help but feel embarrassment because of the great oddness of Christianity.

Christianity has one requirement to reach heaven: to believe in Jesus as the God Who died for the people to be saved.

On the other hand, Islam has many requirements to reach heaven. There are 3 types of requirements: some pertain to what one believes (God, angels, Prophets, revealed books, Day of Judgment, etc...), some pertain to what worship one does and how (5 daily prayers, fasting, pilgrimage in Mecca, mandatory alms-giving, regular remembrance and mention of God, etc...), some pertain to having and keeping a pure heart (not to hate anyone, to love everyone and every living thing, not to lie, not to cheat, not to deceive, not to come against anyone, to love God, to fear God, to hope in God, to trust in God, to dedicate oneself to God, to live for God, and for His beloved Prophet and favourite friend, Muhammad, peace be upon him, etc...)

The first thing asked of a Muslim is to seek knowledge. Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "to seek knowledge is mandatory for every Muslim". Islam goes by its scholars. Islamic libraries are filled with tons and tons of books. All these books are explaining the Qur'an and the Hadiths (the Hadiths are the sayings of Muhammad, peace be upon him). The Muslim must learn these books and acquire knowledge, that is mandatory and the first requirement. Maybe the most famous and the greatest of all the books of Islam is the Ihya Ulum Id Din of Abu Hamid Al Ghazali, perhaps the greatest theologian and scholar of the history of Islam, and who has been nicknamed Hujjat Al Islam (Proof of Islam).

And then Islam would be a ''cult'', and Christianity or Judaism would be the ''religions''. Perhaps, you may now realise how insane this sounds.

Islam is about its Ulama and Awliya (scholars and saints): Rumi, Ibn Arabi (of 12th century Muslim Spain), Saadi, Hafiz, Al Ghazali, etc. Some are specialised in the Sharia (the Divine Islamic Law): Imam Shafi, Imam Malik, Imam Abou Hanifa, Imam Ahmad Hanbal, etc.

Islam is not a "cult''. It is a religion. Muhammad (peace be upon him) is not a "highly intelligent" leader, he is a divine prophet of God. Jesus was, (peace be upon him), and Abraham was (peace be upon him), Moses was (peace be upon him), Noah was (peace be upon him), Joseph was (peace be upon him and his family) and many others, numbering 124 000, (peace be upon them all). But I don't think Christianity or Judaism teaches any of that.
I don’t believe that is correct but I wouldn’t expect you to understand a faith that is not your own any more than I should be expected to understand a faith that is not my own.

Peace through surrender is not unique to Islam. We just say it a different way.
 

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Muslims, looking at Christianity, can't help but feel embarrassment because of the great oddness of Christianity.
Yet you believe the same God that created Judaism and Christianity created Islam. Are you embarrassed by God's work?

Christianity has one requirement to reach heaven: to believe in Jesus as the God Who died for the people to be saved.

On the other hand, Islam has many requirements to reach heaven. [...] some pertain to what worship one does and how (5 daily prayers, fasting, pilgrimage in Mecca, mandatory alms-giving, regular remembrance and mention of God, etc...)
Yet none of God's previous messengers mentioned 5 daily prayers (or pilgrimage in Mecca) or most requirements of Islam. Same eternal God but different rules?
There is only one Creator. However, there are many different perceptions of the Creator.
 

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There is only one Creator. However, there are many different perceptions of the Creator.
Everything we know about God comes from God, we can discern nothing about him on our own. Correct? If so, why do his messengers bring different messages?
 

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There is only one Creator. However, there are many different perceptions of the Creator.
Everything we know about God comes from God, we can discern nothing about him on our own. Correct? If so, why do his messengers bring different messages?
Wrong. Much can be learned about God by men seeking God. We can learn about God through his creation.
 

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There is only one Creator. However, there are many different perceptions of the Creator.
Everything we know about God comes from God, we can discern nothing about him on our own. Correct? If so, why do his messengers bring different messages?
Are they different messages? As near as I can tell all religions teach virtue. All religions teach dying to self.
 

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Wrong. Much can be learned about God by men seeking God. We can learn about God through his creation.
Got some examples to share?
 

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Wrong. Much can be learned about God by men seeking God. We can learn about God through his creation.
Got some examples to share?
Sure. You ever created anything? Can I use that creation to learn things about you?
You're describing science but science tells us nothing that is in the Bible.
I’m not describing science, and I’m not discussing what’s in the Bible either.

I am telling you that much can be learned about God by examining his creation like I could learn about you by examining your creations.

You asked for an example and I am using your experiences as an example.
 

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Mohammed Was Rejected By Christians And Jews Of His Time
Because He Didn't Pass Scriptural Muster For A Prophet
Mohammed Himself Said He Cannot Prophesy Or Perform Miracles
He Destroyed All But One Idol In The Cube In Mecca
And That Is What They Bow And Chant To 5 Times A Day

Mohammed Was WRONG About How The Sun Sets
And What Determines If A Fetus Will Be A Boy Or A Girl
^ ^ ^ Being WRONG Even ONCE ^ ^ ^
Disqualifies Him As A Prophet Of The God Of Abraham
He Is Not, And Neither Is His Al-lah A God

Mecca Is The Greatest Focal Point Of Idolatry Known To Civilization
And Mohammed Is History's Most Successful Jim Jones
 

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Wrong. Much can be learned about God by men seeking God. We can learn about God through his creation.
Got some examples to share?
Sure. You ever created anything? Can I use that creation to learn things about you?
You're describing science but science tells us nothing that is in the Bible.
I’m not describing science, and I’m not discussing what’s in the Bible either.

I am telling you that much can be learned about God by examining his creation like I could learn about you by examining your creations.

You asked for an example and I am using your experiences as an example.
Well I have studied the world we live in and I can tell you that, if there is a God, he set up time, space, and the forces of nature. Period. End of story.
 

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Mohammed Was Rejected By Christians And Jews Of His Time
Because He Didn't Pass Scriptural Muster For A Prophet

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No problem. Study harder.
A short history on Jewish admirers of Islam - TMV
The Thing About The Interpretation Of Prophecy
Is People Interpret It In Different Ways
So One Group's Opinion Is No Better Than Any Others
...But Thanx

Mohammed, By His Own Admission
To The Christians And Jews Of His Time
Still Does Not Pass Scriptural Muster As A Prophet
 

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