Zone1 Christianity and our founding fathers

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I realize I cannot make you read Saint Ding what I write. But that’s OK. What you avoid reveals more than any answers or defense of your weird ideology could ever do. I don’t think there is a defense.

Do you think Viktor Orban is upholding Jeffersonian democracy in Hungary right now?

The establishment clause of the 1st Amendment was written to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions.

Amendment I (Religion): Thomas Jefferson to Rev. Samuel Miller

press-pubs.uchicago.edu

Understanding the First Amendment’s Religion Clauses - Intercollegiate Studies Institute

Why wasn’t the Free-Exercise Clause (Congress shall make no law “prohibiting the free exercise” of religion) sufficient in itself? No other First Amendment right—freedom of speech, press, peaceable assembly, or petition—has a pair of clauses devoted to it.

isi.org

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Ding does not want you to know that the convention was terrified of the Church of Rome.

Only one delegate was Catholic, and about forty members signed a Petition to not let Mr. Carroll sit.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

This is an outright falsehood: "The establishment clause of the 1st Amendment was written to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions."

Why were all state established religions gone by 1820? Americans abhor state religions.

 

[ding]

This is an outright falsehood: "The establishment clause of the 1st Amendment was written to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions."

1. Madison unsuccessfully tried to attach the the 1st amendment restriction that was applied to the federal government to the states but that version of the amendment was defeated in the senate.
2. Thomas Jefferson's letter to Samuel Miller...
3. And half of the states having state religions...

... all say otherwise. You've been provided the links. You've offered no evidence whatsoever. You lose.

Understanding the First Amendment’s Religion Clauses - Intercollegiate Studies Institute

Why wasn’t the Free-Exercise Clause (Congress shall make no law “prohibiting the free exercise” of religion) sufficient in itself? No other First Amendment right—freedom of speech, press, peaceable assembly, or petition—has a pair of clauses devoted to it.

isi.org

Amendment I (Religion): Thomas Jefferson to Rev. Samuel Miller

press-pubs.uchicago.edu

 

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Ding does not want you to know that the convention was terrified of the Church of Rome.

Only one delegate was Catholic, and about forty members signed a Petition to not let Mr. Carroll sit.

Is this your attempt to distract yourself from the fact you have no evidence whatsoever to support you beliefs?

Say it with me... The establishment clause of the 1st Amendment was written to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions.

Amendment I (Religion): Thomas Jefferson to Rev. Samuel Miller

Understanding the First Amendment’s Religion Clauses - Intercollegiate Studies Institute​

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

That's why all the states got rid of their religions.

 

[ding]

That's why all the states got rid of their religions.

Totally unrelated from the fact that the Founding Fathers wrote the establishment clause to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions. The founding fathers never intended to promote atheism. They intended to promote the free exercise of religious rights.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Insight to why established state religions disappeared.

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Several of America’s Founding Fathers held diverse views on religion, including their perspectives on the Roman Catholic Church. Let’s explore some notable figures:

1. John Adams:
   • Adams, the second U.S. president, had mixed views on Catholicism.
   • While he expressed concerns about the influence of the Papacy, he also defended the rights of Catholics to practice their faith freely.
   • Adams believed that religious liberty was essential for a thriving republic.
2. Thomas Jefferson:
   • Jefferson, the principal author of the Declaration of Independence, was a strong advocate for religious freedom.
   • He opposed any form of religious establishment, including the Catholic Church.
   • However, he also supported the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, which protected the rights of all religious groups, including Catholics.
3. Benjamin Franklin:
   • Franklin, a polymath and diplomat, had a complex relationship with religion.
   • While he criticized certain aspects of Catholicism, he also admired the ethical teachings of Jesus.
   • Franklin’s views evolved over time, reflecting his commitment to reason and tolerance.
4. Alexander Hamilton:
   • Hamilton, one of the authors of the Federalist Papers, did not specifically oppose the Catholic Church.
   • However, he was generally wary of religious institutions interfering in politics.
   • His focus was more on constitutional matters and the structure of government.
5. Samuel Adams:
   • Samuel Adams, a key figure in the American Revolution, was a staunch Protestant.
   • He expressed concerns about the influence of the Catholic Church, especially in relation to the French alliance during the Revolutionary War.
6. Patrick Henry:
   • Henry, known for his fiery speeches, was a devout Anglican.
   • He was critical of Catholicism, viewing it as incompatible with republican values.
   • However, he also supported religious freedom for all, including Catholics.

In summary, while some Founding Fathers expressed reservations about the Catholic Church, others championed religious freedom and tolerance. Their diverse perspectives contributed to the foundation of a secular and pluralistic United States123.

 

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Copilot

Several of America’s Founding Fathers held diverse views on religion, including their perspectives on the Roman Catholic Church. Let’s explore some notable figures:

1. John Adams:
   • Adams, the second U.S. president, had mixed views on Catholicism.
   • While he expressed concerns about the influence of the Papacy, he also defended the rights of Catholics to practice their faith freely.
   • Adams believed that religious liberty was essential for a thriving republic.
2. Thomas Jefferson:
   • Jefferson, the principal author of the Declaration of Independence, was a strong advocate for religious freedom.
   • He opposed any form of religious establishment, including the Catholic Church.
   • However, he also supported the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, which protected the rights of all religious groups, including Catholics.
3. Benjamin Franklin:
   • Franklin, a polymath and diplomat, had a complex relationship with religion.
   • While he criticized certain aspects of Catholicism, he also admired the ethical teachings of Jesus.
   • Franklin’s views evolved over time, reflecting his commitment to reason and tolerance.
4. Alexander Hamilton:
   • Hamilton, one of the authors of the Federalist Papers, did not specifically oppose the Catholic Church.
   • However, he was generally wary of religious institutions interfering in politics.
   • His focus was more on constitutional matters and the structure of government.
5. Samuel Adams:
   • Samuel Adams, a key figure in the American Revolution, was a staunch Protestant.
   • He expressed concerns about the influence of the Catholic Church, especially in relation to the French alliance during the Revolutionary War.
6. Patrick Henry:
   • Henry, known for his fiery speeches, was a devout Anglican.
   • He was critical of Catholicism, viewing it as incompatible with republican values.
   • However, he also supported religious freedom for all, including Catholics.

In summary, while some Founding Fathers expressed reservations about the Catholic Church, others championed religious freedom and tolerance. Their diverse perspectives contributed to the foundation of a secular and pluralistic United States123.

And has nothing whatsoever to do with the establishment clause not intending to curb religious practices. It was written to promote the free exercise of religious practices.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

It has everything to do with the end of state religions.

It was written to protect religious belief not practices. Human sacrifice and plural marriage, for instance, would never be tolerated by the Constitution.

We are people with a secular government that protects citizens from religious dogman in government.

Ding needs to be instructed to return to Vatican for further training.

 

[ding]

It has everything to do with the end of state religions.

It was written to protect religious belief not practices. Human sacrifice and plural marriage, for instance, would never be tolerated by the Constitution.

We are people with a secular government that protects citizens from religious dogman in government.

Charters and Constitutions
There are dozens of Christian related quotes found in the early colony and state charters such as the First Charter of Virginia (1606) which states,”to the glory of His divine Majesty, in propagating of the Christian religion…..” The New England Charter (1620) says,….”to advance the enlargement of the Christian religion, to the glory of God Almighty.” The Carolina's Charter (1622) acknowledged that the settlement was constituted for “the propagation of the Christian faith.” The Fundamental Orders of Connecticut (1638) says, “….confederation together to maintain and preserve the liberty and purity of the gospel of our Lord Jesus which we now profess.” The Constitution of the New England Confederation (1643) contains the words, “Whereas we all came into these parts of America with one and the same end and aim, namely to advance the kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ and to enjoy the Liberties of the gospel in purity with peace.” The New Haven Colony charter (1644) officially ordered that the “judicial laws of God, as they were delivered by Moses be a rule to all the courts in this jurisdiction ….” More Charters and Constitutions.

USA Heritage

USA Heritage - The United States of America has a Christian heritage. The wisdom and guidance of God has been integral in the lives of our founders and leaders. The liberty that has made America great is based on the principles of Christianity.

www.usaheritage.org

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Nothing in the Constitution indicates that it protects states' religions.

Sorry about that. Night, Ding.

 

[ding]

Nothing in the Constitution indicates that it protects states' religions.

Sorry about that. Night, Ding.

The establishment clause of the first amendment prohibits the federal government from interfering with state established religions. They were protecting religious freedom. What part of that don't you understand?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Say it with me... The establishment clause of the 1st Amendment was written to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions.

Why would the federal government have to interfere with state establish religions when they gave religious choice to the individual?

No state could force an individual to submit payment, or their conscience,, or their time to a religious organization. BY THAT free exercise of religion must include absolute rejection of religious. organizations without penalty and that’s what exactly what happened in every state

The first amendment clause denied all religious organizations or societies or cult the ability to oppress individuals until the cows come home,

And has nothing whatsoever to do with the establishment clause not intending to curb religious practices. It was written to promote the free exercise of religious practices.

When you make enough arguments, Saint Ding you make get one of them right?

This one above seems to be saying that the first amendment clause says everybody has to exercise a religion. That is absurd.

The prevention of religious oppression was limited to the federal government. The states were free to oppress until the cows came home.

Did you write that Saint Ding. How can a state oppress citizens of the United States when they have ‘free exercise’ of religion?



Every state under the new constitution could not walk up to an individual standing on the corner and ask them if they have a religion. He couid say fuck off And the establishment clause would protect him

 

[Grumblenuts]

Unlike Edith Bunker, Jean Stapleton was highly involved in equal justice. That's why ding has always hated being called "dingbat." Taking it as a compliment would never occur to him.

 

[ding]

Why would the federal government have to interfere with state establish religions when they gave religious choice to the individual?

No state could force an individual to submit payment, or their conscience,, or their time to a religious organization. BY THAT free exercise of religion must include absolute rejection of religious. organizations without penalty and that’s what exactly what happened in every state

The first amendment clause denied all religious organizations or societies or cult the ability to oppress individuals until the cows come home,




When you make enough arguments, Saint Ding you make get one of them right?

This one above seems to be saying that the first amendment clause says everybody has to exercise a religion. That is absurd.



Did you write that Saint Ding. How can a state oppress citizens of the United States when they have ‘free exercise’ of religion?



Every state under the new constitution could not walk up to an individual standing on the corner and ask them if they have a religion. He couid say fuck off And the establishment clause would protect him

Read what the Founders wrote.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

ding, you need to read prayerfully. Holy Father would say you are full of holey smoke,

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Freemasons could not be atheists.

America's Christian Heritage 170317 {post•3} ding Mar’17 Sachyz inserts the mural “Landing of Columbus:

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Tell me Saint Ding which is more contributive to the foundation of America;

G.Washington’s Freemasonry derived morality

or

C. Columbus’s Catholic morality that he used to subjugate the nice and gentle people he first met when he landed on New World Shores.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Columbus's use of holy Catholic morality to subjugate the nice and gentle people he first met when he landed on New World Shores by introducing slavery, cutting off of hands, rape, and murder, you mean?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The establishment clause of the 1st Amendment was not written to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions. To suggest that it was would get the person so doing laughed out of class and invited for a sit-down with the proff.