Christian Tenets/Principles this Country's founded on...
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JBeukema
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If they founded a nation on Christian values, they would have acted in accordance with those values.
They would have obeyed the king, living apart from the world and owning all things in common with their fellows in the body of Christ. They would not have rebelled and sought power on Earth.
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I also don't believe Ghandi is rotting in hell along side Stalin
JBeukema
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So Ghandi accepted Jesus and confessed such before he died?
Or you construct your own (false) religion for yourself because you think you are equal to God and can decide what his Law ought to be?
12 “ How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:
‘ I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
bodecea
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Pandering. Let us not forget that the Founders were already politicians within their own Colonies and then States and were picked for the Continental Congress (both of them) and the Constitutional Convention as well known politicians....NOT for their religious belief.
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You're boring me now.
have a nice day filled with hate for people that never caused you any harm.
AllieBaba
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And the Quakers...here is more evidence of how our country is firmly rooted in the Word of God....
PS...Bod claims the Quakers were "reviled" by early Americans. Despite the fact that Pennsylvania, the BIRTHPLACE OF AMERICA, was founded by Quakers who did phenomenolly well....
"William Billings, one of America’s first professional church musicians, wrote the following hymn, “Chester,” in 1778. It demonstrates how close the connection between religion and politics could be for many Americans. As soldiers sang it over and over, “Chester” became an unofficial anthem of the American Revolution.
Let tyrants shake their iron rod,
And slavery clank her galling chains.
We fear them not; we trust in God;
New England’s God forever reigns.
When God inspired us for the fight
Their ranks were broke, their lines were forced;
Their ships were shattered in our sight
Or swiftly driven from our coast.
The foe comes on with haughty stride;
Our troops advance with martial noise.
Their veterans flee before our youth,
and generals yield to beardless boys.
What grateful offerings shall we bring?
What shall we render to the Lord?
Loud Halleluiahs let us sing,
And praise his name on every chord.Source: Albert Christ-Janer and others, American Hymns, Old and New (New York: Columbia University Press, 1980), p. 143,
Reform. Woolman’s personal journey toward a more saintly life was mirrored in a broader reform movement that preoccupied American Quakers throughout the revolutionary era. Giving up political offices was one thing, but giving up the genteel lifestyle pursued by elite Quakers in Philadelphia and elsewhere was another. From the 1750s on, reforming Quakers reminded their neighbors of the traditions of the Society of Friends, which historically had promoted a simpler existence oriented toward spiritual growth rather than accumulating wealth and material goods. They thought the evangelical Protestants around them, still in the throes of the emotionalism of the Great Awakening, rightly thirsted for a greater appreciation of the spirit even if they were doing it in a distastefully enthusiastic manner that did not accord with the quiet ways of Quakerism. The reformers, including John Churchman, Sophia Hume, Catherine Phillips, and Israel and John Pemberton, took up the idea of Quaker discipline, stressing Quakerism as a complete form of life rather than a religion that could be separated from the rest of one’s existence. These men and women traveled through America, visiting Quaker meetings and speaking tirelessly about the importance of bringing children up in the Quaker tradition and putting the beliefs of the Society of Friends into action at every opportunity. Visiting committees were formed in many areas to visit Quaker families in their homes and observe the ways Quaker principles were being practiced. By the 1770s there had been a marked increase in cases of discipline for neglect of these principles in Quaker communities throughout the colonies. The stricter Quakerism that was emerging focused on the Quaker family as the core of a purer, more religious society. It meant, in the end, greater separation between Quakers and the rest of American society. The reform movement corresponded with the political isolation of the Quakers during the Revolutionary War. The Society of Friends became more and more like a sect, removed from the general trend of American Protestantism toward greater denominational interaction and toleration. Quakers lost their direct influence over society, as they became increasingly tribal, but they became a prophetic voice, urging reforms that would only be realized well into the nineteenth century."
The Quakers did fabulously well in this country, until they started to isolate themselves. And even then, the removal from the political forefront was their own doing; not the doing of a hostile government or people.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Quakers.aspx
PS...Bod claims the Quakers were "reviled" by early Americans. Despite the fact that Pennsylvania, the BIRTHPLACE OF AMERICA, was founded by Quakers who did phenomenolly well....
"William Billings, one of America’s first professional church musicians, wrote the following hymn, “Chester,” in 1778. It demonstrates how close the connection between religion and politics could be for many Americans. As soldiers sang it over and over, “Chester” became an unofficial anthem of the American Revolution.
Let tyrants shake their iron rod,
And slavery clank her galling chains.
We fear them not; we trust in God;
New England’s God forever reigns.
When God inspired us for the fight
Their ranks were broke, their lines were forced;
Their ships were shattered in our sight
Or swiftly driven from our coast.
The foe comes on with haughty stride;
Our troops advance with martial noise.
Their veterans flee before our youth,
and generals yield to beardless boys.
What grateful offerings shall we bring?
What shall we render to the Lord?
Loud Halleluiahs let us sing,
And praise his name on every chord.Source: Albert Christ-Janer and others, American Hymns, Old and New (New York: Columbia University Press, 1980), p. 143,
Reform. Woolman’s personal journey toward a more saintly life was mirrored in a broader reform movement that preoccupied American Quakers throughout the revolutionary era. Giving up political offices was one thing, but giving up the genteel lifestyle pursued by elite Quakers in Philadelphia and elsewhere was another. From the 1750s on, reforming Quakers reminded their neighbors of the traditions of the Society of Friends, which historically had promoted a simpler existence oriented toward spiritual growth rather than accumulating wealth and material goods. They thought the evangelical Protestants around them, still in the throes of the emotionalism of the Great Awakening, rightly thirsted for a greater appreciation of the spirit even if they were doing it in a distastefully enthusiastic manner that did not accord with the quiet ways of Quakerism. The reformers, including John Churchman, Sophia Hume, Catherine Phillips, and Israel and John Pemberton, took up the idea of Quaker discipline, stressing Quakerism as a complete form of life rather than a religion that could be separated from the rest of one’s existence. These men and women traveled through America, visiting Quaker meetings and speaking tirelessly about the importance of bringing children up in the Quaker tradition and putting the beliefs of the Society of Friends into action at every opportunity. Visiting committees were formed in many areas to visit Quaker families in their homes and observe the ways Quaker principles were being practiced. By the 1770s there had been a marked increase in cases of discipline for neglect of these principles in Quaker communities throughout the colonies. The stricter Quakerism that was emerging focused on the Quaker family as the core of a purer, more religious society. It meant, in the end, greater separation between Quakers and the rest of American society. The reform movement corresponded with the political isolation of the Quakers during the Revolutionary War. The Society of Friends became more and more like a sect, removed from the general trend of American Protestantism toward greater denominational interaction and toleration. Quakers lost their direct influence over society, as they became increasingly tribal, but they became a prophetic voice, urging reforms that would only be realized well into the nineteenth century."
The Quakers did fabulously well in this country, until they started to isolate themselves. And even then, the removal from the political forefront was their own doing; not the doing of a hostile government or people.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Quakers.aspx
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shame
I was hoping for some point counter point debate.
Turns out it's another bash religion thread.
But it does amuse me to think there are people out there dim enough to think there is no faith based tenents in the founding of America. Considering how important church, faith and religion were in those days.
I was hoping for some point counter point debate.
Turns out it's another bash religion thread.
But it does amuse me to think there are people out there dim enough to think there is no faith based tenents in the founding of America. Considering how important church, faith and religion were in those days.
PLYMCO_PILGRIM
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I've read the new testament and it doesn't say that specifically anywhere that I recall. You can correct me with a linked passage if you want
I believe in God, not a doctrine. Your claim that I am dammed for my belief in God is false.
AllieBaba
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I think JB labors under the false assumption that one can only be Christian if one is a PERFECT Christian.
Which, while flattering (I guess) stands in direct opposition to every word of the NT. This, in turn, shows he has a limited understanding of the NT and Christianity in general.
Which, while flattering (I guess) stands in direct opposition to every word of the NT. This, in turn, shows he has a limited understanding of the NT and Christianity in general.
bodecea
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If we are talking about quotes, etc. from our Founding Fathers....mayb Allie can explain this one:
Part of THIS official U.S. government treaty:
Treaty of Tripoli - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Treaty of Tripoli
Part of THIS official U.S. government treaty:
Treaty of Tripoli - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Treaty of Tripoli
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