Chris Christie is gonna be our next president

[Statistikhengst]

But my gut tells me it will be Hillary vs. Rand or Ted

I no longer love your abs.

They're just as hard as ever. It's called the 6-pack method of electoral prediction.

 

[Statistikhengst]

But my gut tells me it will be Hillary vs. Rand or Ted

And here's the part that I honestly wish weren't true (but I fear it is)


Hillary "the murderer" Clinton will win handily. That's why the republicans should thank their lucky stars each and every day that Obarrycare sprouted up when it did. It WILL be the downfall of the democrats in 2014 - but probably won't carry over to 2016.

Though I sense that we are on opposite sides of the political spectrum, I agree with the essence of what you are saying, for there is really no correlation between the results of a mid-term election and the next presidential cycle, for a number of reasons, in a nutshell:

1.) mid-terms are so-called "base" elections. Lower voter turnout is expected -unfortunately- and it is usually the hardest core of both parties that shows up. Now, the 2013 gubernatorial in VA, if it is any indication, could mean that this paradigm will shift, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

2.) Presidential elections are indeed about personalities. And Hillary is just sailing over a candidate like a Rand Paul or a Ted Cruz. Now, we may agree or disagree about why this is so, but the numbers clearly indicate that it is so - at least for now.

3.) Topsy-Turvy: electoral history is replete with mid-terms where the party in power in the WH got a pasting at the polls and yet, came back to win the next GE, and quite convincincly. See: 1938, 1946, 1954, 1970, 1982, 1986, 1994, 2006 and 2010. The notable exceptions to this are 1974 and 1978 - a decade (or better put, part of 16 years) of real instability in our political history. There is also no predictable pattern between mid-term in a 2nd term and the next OPEN presidential election. In 1958, the GOP took a massive hit in the mid-terms and the GOP also lost the next GE, in 1960. In 1966, the DEMS took a hit in the mid-terms and also lost the 1968 election. But in 1998, the DEMS actually remained unchanged in the Senate, but Gore lost the 2000 election. In both cases, those midterms were followed by very close national elections. Only in 1962 and 2002 did the mid-terms go for the party in power in the White House and in both cases did that party win a second term in the next GE. In the 1978 mid-terms, Carter's Democratic party suffered light losses, but Carter himself suffered a humiliating re-election defeat in 1980. And in 1990, Bush 41's GOP suffered even lighter losses, barely noticeable, but Bush 41 lost handily to Clinton in 1992.

So, pundits who use the results of mid-terms to predict the future are skating on very thin ice, electorally speaking, and they do it at their own risk.

Good to hear from you. I find your honesty to be refreshing.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

No way.

Obviously, his first problem is his weight. Not just because he's disgusting but because he is sick. We have every right to expect a strong and healthy president and he's neither. Its unlikely he could survive even one term.

Its not just what goes into his mouth. He can't control what he says. His (undeserved) ego is such that he apparently believes he doesn't have to live by the rules that other people do. rw's don't like Obama's diplomacy but Christie would have us in a war in his first year.

He's really no where near intelligent enough. He just isn't. Yes, he's smart enough to appeal to rw's but so were the big "loosers" of the last election.

He's screwed over a lot of his constituents but he's right where he belongs.

The rw's are doing the same thing this as last. Just as last election, there will be one desperate declaration of ever lasting allegiance after another. There will be much gnashing of teeth and protestations of adoration as they fall madly in love with one after another.

My advice to the rw's is, pace yourselves. You've got a lot of "loosers" to pick from.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

But my gut tells me it will be Hillary vs. Rand or Ted

And here's the part that I honestly wish weren't true (but I fear it is)


Hillary "the murderer" Clinton will win handily. That's why the republicans should thank their lucky stars each and every day that Obarrycare sprouted up when it did. It WILL be the downfall of the democrats in 2014 - but probably won't carry over to 2016.

We should have a forum where such quotes as this one could be saved.

Fun.

... but cruel.

 

[BDBoop]

No way.

Obviously, his first problem is his weight. Not just because he's disgusting but because he is sick. We have every right to expect a strong and healthy president and he's neither. Its unlikely he could survive even one term.

Its not just what goes into his mouth. He can't control what he says. His (undeserved) ego is such that he apparently believes he doesn't have to live by the rules that other people do. rw's don't like Obama's diplomacy but Christie would have us in a war in his first year.

He's really no where near intelligent enough. He just isn't. Yes, he's smart enough to appeal to rw's but so were the big "loosers" of the last election.

He's screwed over a lot of his constituents but he's right where he belongs.

The rw's are doing the same thing this as last. Just as last election, there will be one desperate declaration of ever lasting allegiance after another. There will be much gnashing of teeth and protestations of adoration as they fall madly in love with one after another.

My advice to the rw's is, pace yourselves. You've got a lot of "loosers" to pick from.

You mean 'losers?'

Where is your citation that Governor Christie is sick.

 

[BDBoop]

Here is mine that he is fine.

Chris Christie's health is 'normal' | New York Post

New Jersey cardiologist Rachana Kulkarni called Christie’s physical exam “unremarkable,” adding that he has “normal blood work, normal cardiovascular test results and good functional capacity.”

“[Christie] has a history of hypertension for last 2 years and asthma for the last 30,” Kulkarni wrote in a letter.

“Both condition are well controlled under his current medical regime.”

Surprisingly, the doctor says Christie exercises four times per week, including aerobic and resistance training.

“He has adapted a healthy lifestyle including a healthy diet and regular cardiovascular exercise regimen,” she said.

I said it before and I'll say it again. If his weight is the only reason you would vote against him, then there's something wrong with your thought processes.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

No, that's not the only reason but I don't believe one can be healthy and need stomach stapling. Add that to his chronic hypertension and asthma - drugs or not, he's a time bomb.

I was one of those who was glad to see him work for his constituents after Sandy but there's more to being president than that. He's done some things to his constituents that I disagree with.

Even if you hate Obama, does anyone believe Christie could keep up with that schedule? Maybe, I doubt it.

YMMV

 

[BDBoop]

My point stands. If you have a problem with him, it should be with his stand, his platform. And if you have a problem with said stand or platform, that's what you should be addressing. Because otherwise, it truly looks like you got nothin, so you're going after him for his weight.

 

[birddog]

I don't believe Christie will be the nominee, but if he is, I will support him. He would be a far superior selection than anything the dims would nominate, especially the murderous Hillary! Vince Foster, the Benghazi four, and others in Arkansas would spin in their grave if The Hildebeast is elected!

I would prefer Rand Paul or Ted Cruz because I am a Constitutional, patriotic American! If not, I really think Santorum, Jeb Bush, or another would be likely. If it appears to Jeb Bush that he has a strong chance of winning, he likely will run, and he likely will win!

 

[RandallFlagg]

I don't believe Christie will be the nominee, but if he is, I will support him. He would be a far superior selection than anything the dims would nominate, especially the murderous Hillary! Vince Foster, the Benghazi four, and others in Arkansas would spin in their grave if The Hildebeast is elected!

I would prefer Rand Paul or Ted Cruz because I am a Constitutional, patriotic American! If not, I really think Santorum, Jeb Bush, or another would be likely. If it appears to Jeb Bush that he has a strong chance of winning, he likely will run, and he likely will win!

Obviously right now it is far too early to predict who will do what, but I can see Hillary "the muderer" Clinton easily receiving the nod from her communist base.

As for republicans, it's anyone's guess, but after keeping the House and taking the Senate in 2014, I can't see a republican that could beat the witch.

 

[Gracie]

I like Christie. So far.

 

[Bfgrn]

Return of the practical white male leader. I love it

Hillary is white, but you may be off on gender...

 

[Statistikhengst]

No way.

Obviously, his first problem is his weight. Not just because he's disgusting but because he is sick. We have every right to expect a strong and healthy president and he's neither. Its unlikely he could survive even one term.

Its not just what goes into his mouth. He can't control what he says. His (undeserved) ego is such that he apparently believes he doesn't have to live by the rules that other people do. rw's don't like Obama's diplomacy but Christie would have us in a war in his first year.

He's really no where near intelligent enough. He just isn't. Yes, he's smart enough to appeal to rw's but so were the big "loosers" of the last election.

He's screwed over a lot of his constituents but he's right where he belongs.

The rw's are doing the same thing this as last. Just as last election, there will be one desperate declaration of ever lasting allegiance after another. There will be much gnashing of teeth and protestations of adoration as they fall madly in love with one after another.

My advice to the rw's is, pace yourselves. You've got a lot of "loosers" to pick from.

Hello [MENTION=32558]Luddly Neddite[/MENTION], nice to make your acquaintance.

Some thoughts:

Yes, Christie's health is a problem, but that does not mean he could die in the White House. The main concern is that the energy needed to wage a senatorial campaign pales in comparison to the demands of a national campaign. Christie got the surgery done, but looking at him, it does not look like he is dropping the weight as occurs with most people who get "the belt". So, I suspect that he is splurging.

I have absolutely no problem with fat people. I myself have some pounds too many, but I also do lots and lots of sports to stay fit. However, in the case of the extremely obese - and Christie is extremely obese - this is a danger to his life. To his credit, Christie has recognized that it is a problem.

Warren Harding was not the leanest man who ever was President but he was not necessarily fit. He died of a heart attack during his term in office. W. H. Taft was extremely obese and actually picked up pounds while in office. Once out of office, Taft dropped a great deal of weight, esp. when he finally achieved his real goal, namely, that of become a Supreme Court justice.

There were lots of presidents before Taft who were certainly hefty: Teddy Roosevelt was a big man. McKinley also had a "gentlemen's belt". Grover Cleveland was a big guy. Chester Arthur was also not on the lean side. Ulysses Grant was a big, burly guy.

But since Coolidge, we have not seen a truly fat President. Eisenhower, whom I consider to be one of the greatest Presidents ever, and far too underrated, was very fit. Kennedy was lean. LBJ had a normal figure. Nixon was relatively lean. Gerald Ford, a former footballer, was extremely fit. Carter was very lean. Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43 had normal figures. Clinton put on some pounds in the WH, but was very lean on the campaign trail. I would suspect that Obama and Bush 43 would both measure up the best on the BMI.

As for Christie's mouth, I think that has something to do with the way people speak in New Jersey ("fuggedaboudit"!!!). His brash manner may actually help him.

However, I don't understand your last paragraph: the Republicans tend NOT to fall in love, but rather, in line, for the guy who was second the time before. Using that logic, it is even possible that Santorum could make a bid in 2016.

The big gripe I see among Conservatives in their circles is that everytime they nominate a so-called "RINO", he loses. But at the time of that "RINO"s nomination, he was acclaimed as a conservative. No one was calling Barry Goldwater a RINO. Bush 41 campaigned as a strong Conservative. Bob Dole burnished his ultra-conservative Kansas credentials. John McCain claimed to be Conservative. Mitt Romney, in a moment of plain old weirdness, called himself "severely Conservative" at CPAC in early 2012. Hillaryous!

But Ronald Reagan, who is hailed as the great Conservative, ruled as a Centrist. He raised taxes, added Gubbermint agencies, pushed through immigration reform (known as amnesty under RWingers), alleviated a lot of unemployment be creating oodles and oodles of Gubbermint jobs (which that "kenyan usurper gay blowjob in a cocaine snorting limo on shitcago, time travelling to Mars, socialist, communist, fascist, muslim, Chrstian-hating" Obama has not done) and exploded the deficit and debt. Doesn't sound very Conservative to me.

Maybe Christie can make the race against the Hillary-Bulldozing machine a closer race, but at the end of the day, I think he loses, with a margin somewhere between 2008 and 2012.

Any other Republican loses to Clinton by 10 points or more.

 

[LoneLaugher]

No way.

Obviously, his first problem is his weight. Not just because he's disgusting but because he is sick. We have every right to expect a strong and healthy president and he's neither. Its unlikely he could survive even one term.

Its not just what goes into his mouth. He can't control what he says. His (undeserved) ego is such that he apparently believes he doesn't have to live by the rules that other people do. rw's don't like Obama's diplomacy but Christie would have us in a war in his first year.

He's really no where near intelligent enough. He just isn't. Yes, he's smart enough to appeal to rw's but so were the big "loosers" of the last election.

He's screwed over a lot of his constituents but he's right where he belongs.

The rw's are doing the same thing this as last. Just as last election, there will be one desperate declaration of ever lasting allegiance after another. There will be much gnashing of teeth and protestations of adoration as they fall madly in love with one after another.

My advice to the rw's is, pace yourselves. You've got a lot of "loosers" to pick from.

Hello [MENTION=32558]Luddly Neddite[/MENTION], nice to make your acquaintance.

Some thoughts:

Yes, Christie's health is a problem, but that does not mean he could die in the White House. The main concern is that the energy needed to wage a senatorial campaign pales in comparison to the demands of a national campaign. Christie got the surgery done, but looking at him, it does not look like he is dropping the weight as occurs with most people who get "the belt". So, I suspect that he is splurging.

I have absolutely no problem with fat people. I myself have some pounds too many, but I also do lots and lots of sports to stay fit. However, in the case of the extremely obese - and Christie is extremely obese - this is a danger to his life. To his credit, Christie has recognized that it is a problem.

Warren Harding was not the leanest man who ever was President but he was not necessarily fit. He died of a heart attack during his term in office. W. H. Taft was extremely obese and actually picked up pounds while in office. Once out of office, Taft dropped a great deal of weight, esp. when he finally achieved his real goal, namely, that of become a Supreme Court justice.

There were lots of presidents before Taft who were certainly hefty: Teddy Roosevelt was a big man. McKinley also had a "gentlemen's belt". Grover Cleveland was a big guy. Chester Arthur was also not on the lean side. Ulysses Grant was a big, burly guy.

But since Coolidge, we have not seen a truly fat President. Eisenhower, whom I consider to be one of the greatest Presidents ever, and far too underrated, was very fit. Kennedy was lean. LBJ had a normal figure. Nixon was relatively lean. Gerald Ford, a former footballer, was extremely fit. Carter was very lean. Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43 had normal figures. Clinton put on some pounds in the WH, but was very lean on the campaign trail. I would suspect that Obama and Bush 43 would both measure up the best on the BMI.

As for Christie's mouth, I think that has something to do with the way people speak in New Jersey ("fuggedaboudit"!!!). His brash manner may actually help him.

However, I don't understand your last paragraph: the Republicans tend NOT to fall in love, but rather, in line, for the guy who was second the time before. Using that logic, it is even possible that Santorum could make a bid in 2016.

The big gripe I see among Conservatives in their circles is that everytime they nominate a so-called "RINO", he loses. But at the time of that "RINO"s nomination, he was acclaimed as a conservative. No one was calling Barry Goldwater a RINO. Bush 41 campaigned as a strong Conservative. Bob Dole burnished his ultra-conservative Kansas credentials. John McCain claimed to be Conservative. Mitt Romney, in a moment of plain old weirdness, called himself "severely Conservative" at CPAC in early 2012. Hillaryous!

But Ronald Reagan, who is hailed as the great Conservative, ruled as a Centrist. He raised taxes, added Gubbermint agencies, pushed through immigration reform (known as amnesty under RWingers), alleviated a lot of unemployment be creating oodles and oodles of Gubbermint jobs (which that "kenyan usurper gay blowjob in a cocaine snorting limo on shitcago, time travelling to Mars, socialist, communist, fascist, muslim, Chrstian-hating" Obama has not done) and exploded the deficit and debt. Doesn't sound very Conservative to me.

Maybe Christie can make the race against the Hillary-Bulldozing machine a closer race, but at the end of the day, I think he loses, with a margin somewhere between 2008 and 2012.

Any other Republican loses to Clinton by 10 points or more.

If you had put that last sentence somewhere in the middle of your thoughtful post, where nutters seldom venture, you might have avoided the horribl wrath of our more astute idiots.

 

[Statistikhengst]

No way.

Obviously, his first problem is his weight. Not just because he's disgusting but because he is sick. We have every right to expect a strong and healthy president and he's neither. Its unlikely he could survive even one term.

Its not just what goes into his mouth. He can't control what he says. His (undeserved) ego is such that he apparently believes he doesn't have to live by the rules that other people do. rw's don't like Obama's diplomacy but Christie would have us in a war in his first year.

He's really no where near intelligent enough. He just isn't. Yes, he's smart enough to appeal to rw's but so were the big "loosers" of the last election.

He's screwed over a lot of his constituents but he's right where he belongs.

The rw's are doing the same thing this as last. Just as last election, there will be one desperate declaration of ever lasting allegiance after another. There will be much gnashing of teeth and protestations of adoration as they fall madly in love with one after another.

My advice to the rw's is, pace yourselves. You've got a lot of "loosers" to pick from.

Hello [MENTION=32558]Luddly Neddite[/MENTION], nice to make your acquaintance.

Some thoughts:

Yes, Christie's health is a problem, but that does not mean he could die in the White House. The main concern is that the energy needed to wage a senatorial campaign pales in comparison to the demands of a national campaign. Christie got the surgery done, but looking at him, it does not look like he is dropping the weight as occurs with most people who get "the belt". So, I suspect that he is splurging.

I have absolutely no problem with fat people. I myself have some pounds too many, but I also do lots and lots of sports to stay fit. However, in the case of the extremely obese - and Christie is extremely obese - this is a danger to his life. To his credit, Christie has recognized that it is a problem.

Warren Harding was not the leanest man who ever was President but he was not necessarily fit. He died of a heart attack during his term in office. W. H. Taft was extremely obese and actually picked up pounds while in office. Once out of office, Taft dropped a great deal of weight, esp. when he finally achieved his real goal, namely, that of become a Supreme Court justice.

There were lots of presidents before Taft who were certainly hefty: Teddy Roosevelt was a big man. McKinley also had a "gentlemen's belt". Grover Cleveland was a big guy. Chester Arthur was also not on the lean side. Ulysses Grant was a big, burly guy.

But since Coolidge, we have not seen a truly fat President. Eisenhower, whom I consider to be one of the greatest Presidents ever, and far too underrated, was very fit. Kennedy was lean. LBJ had a normal figure. Nixon was relatively lean. Gerald Ford, a former footballer, was extremely fit. Carter was very lean. Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43 had normal figures. Clinton put on some pounds in the WH, but was very lean on the campaign trail. I would suspect that Obama and Bush 43 would both measure up the best on the BMI.

As for Christie's mouth, I think that has something to do with the way people speak in New Jersey ("fuggedaboudit"!!!). His brash manner may actually help him.

However, I don't understand your last paragraph: the Republicans tend NOT to fall in love, but rather, in line, for the guy who was second the time before. Using that logic, it is even possible that Santorum could make a bid in 2016.

The big gripe I see among Conservatives in their circles is that everytime they nominate a so-called "RINO", he loses. But at the time of that "RINO"s nomination, he was acclaimed as a conservative. No one was calling Barry Goldwater a RINO. Bush 41 campaigned as a strong Conservative. Bob Dole burnished his ultra-conservative Kansas credentials. John McCain claimed to be Conservative. Mitt Romney, in a moment of plain old weirdness, called himself "severely Conservative" at CPAC in early 2012. Hillaryous!

But Ronald Reagan, who is hailed as the great Conservative, ruled as a Centrist. He raised taxes, added Gubbermint agencies, pushed through immigration reform (known as amnesty under RWingers), alleviated a lot of unemployment be creating oodles and oodles of Gubbermint jobs (which that "kenyan usurper gay blowjob in a cocaine snorting limo on shitcago, time travelling to Mars, socialist, communist, fascist, muslim, Chrstian-hating" Obama has not done) and exploded the deficit and debt. Doesn't sound very Conservative to me.

Maybe Christie can make the race against the Hillary-Bulldozing machine a closer race, but at the end of the day, I think he loses, with a margin somewhere between 2008 and 2012.

Any other Republican loses to Clinton by 10 points or more.

If you had put that last sentence somewhere in the middle of your thoughtful post, where nutters seldom venture, you might have avoided the horribl wrath of our more astute idiots.

Noted for the future, but just to be clear, I consider (almost) no-one to be an idiot. Now, in the case of trolls, that is a different story... but until now, I have not encountered any trolls. Then again, I am just getting my fingers wet here...

 

[LoneLaugher]

Hello [MENTION=32558]Luddly Neddite[/MENTION], nice to make your acquaintance.

Some thoughts:

Yes, Christie's health is a problem, but that does not mean he could die in the White House. The main concern is that the energy needed to wage a senatorial campaign pales in comparison to the demands of a national campaign. Christie got the surgery done, but looking at him, it does not look like he is dropping the weight as occurs with most people who get "the belt". So, I suspect that he is splurging.

I have absolutely no problem with fat people. I myself have some pounds too many, but I also do lots and lots of sports to stay fit. However, in the case of the extremely obese - and Christie is extremely obese - this is a danger to his life. To his credit, Christie has recognized that it is a problem.

Warren Harding was not the leanest man who ever was President but he was not necessarily fit. He died of a heart attack during his term in office. W. H. Taft was extremely obese and actually picked up pounds while in office. Once out of office, Taft dropped a great deal of weight, esp. when he finally achieved his real goal, namely, that of become a Supreme Court justice.

There were lots of presidents before Taft who were certainly hefty: Teddy Roosevelt was a big man. McKinley also had a "gentlemen's belt". Grover Cleveland was a big guy. Chester Arthur was also not on the lean side. Ulysses Grant was a big, burly guy.

But since Coolidge, we have not seen a truly fat President. Eisenhower, whom I consider to be one of the greatest Presidents ever, and far too underrated, was very fit. Kennedy was lean. LBJ had a normal figure. Nixon was relatively lean. Gerald Ford, a former footballer, was extremely fit. Carter was very lean. Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43 had normal figures. Clinton put on some pounds in the WH, but was very lean on the campaign trail. I would suspect that Obama and Bush 43 would both measure up the best on the BMI.

As for Christie's mouth, I think that has something to do with the way people speak in New Jersey ("fuggedaboudit"!!!). His brash manner may actually help him.

However, I don't understand your last paragraph: the Republicans tend NOT to fall in love, but rather, in line, for the guy who was second the time before. Using that logic, it is even possible that Santorum could make a bid in 2016.

The big gripe I see among Conservatives in their circles is that everytime they nominate a so-called "RINO", he loses. But at the time of that "RINO"s nomination, he was acclaimed as a conservative. No one was calling Barry Goldwater a RINO. Bush 41 campaigned as a strong Conservative. Bob Dole burnished his ultra-conservative Kansas credentials. John McCain claimed to be Conservative. Mitt Romney, in a moment of plain old weirdness, called himself "severely Conservative" at CPAC in early 2012. Hillaryous!

But Ronald Reagan, who is hailed as the great Conservative, ruled as a Centrist. He raised taxes, added Gubbermint agencies, pushed through immigration reform (known as amnesty under RWingers), alleviated a lot of unemployment be creating oodles and oodles of Gubbermint jobs (which that "kenyan usurper gay blowjob in a cocaine snorting limo on shitcago, time travelling to Mars, socialist, communist, fascist, muslim, Chrstian-hating" Obama has not done) and exploded the deficit and debt. Doesn't sound very Conservative to me.

Maybe Christie can make the race against the Hillary-Bulldozing machine a closer race, but at the end of the day, I think he loses, with a margin somewhere between 2008 and 2012.

Any other Republican loses to Clinton by 10 points or more.

If you had put that last sentence somewhere in the middle of your thoughtful post, where nutters seldom venture, you might have avoided the horribl wrath of our more astute idiots.

Noted for the future, but just to be clear, I consider (almost) no-one to be an idiot. Now, in the case of trolls, that is a different story... but until now, I have not encountered any trolls. Then again, I am just getting my fingers wet here...

Trolls? They never post here!

Stick around. The idiots will find you. Just scatter a few facts here and there. They cannot resist the urge to piss and shit on them.

 

[JoeB131]

I don't believe Christie will be the nominee, but if he is, I will support him. He would be a far superior selection than anything the dims would nominate, especially the murderous Hillary! Vince Foster, the Benghazi four, and others in Arkansas would spin in their grave if The Hildebeast is elected!

I would prefer Rand Paul or Ted Cruz because I am a Constitutional, patriotic American! If not, I really think Santorum, Jeb Bush, or another would be likely. If it appears to Jeb Bush that he has a strong chance of winning, he likely will run, and he likely will win!

Obviously right now it is far too early to predict who will do what, but I can see Hillary "the muderer" Clinton easily receiving the nod from her communist base.

As for republicans, it's anyone's guess, but after keeping the House and taking the Senate in 2014, I can't see a republican that could beat the witch.

Okay, guy, you know, you really need to get outside your bubble.

Its like you come to USMB and god know where else and talk to like-minded nutters and you say "Communist" without a bit of fucking irony, and then you are all shocked when you lose elections.

 

[strollingbones]

i am not sure about the h clinton band wagon.....i like the little fat fuck christie...he is at least amusing at times and does seem to want to regroup the gop ......he is now head of the governors thing and said he aim now is election of gop governors.....not something i agree with but a good stance for him...

 

[JoeB131]

i am not sure about the h clinton band wagon.....i like the little fat fuck christie...he is at least amusing at times and does seem to want to regroup the gop ......he is now head of the governors thing and said he aim now is election of gop governors.....not something i agree with but a good stance for him...

I'm not a fan of Christie because he made a lot of his political bones screwing with working people and villifying unions?

Because here's where I think this country has gone wrong. We've spent the last 30 years dismantling middle class wages, pensions, health-care plans in order to make the 1% richer.

And instead of trying to fix that, here you have Jabba the Hutt saying, "Hey, here are some workers who still have decent pensions and health care plans, we need to totally put an end to that shit!"

Not that I want any of the GOP in its current incarnation to get in, but I would prefer someone who at least gets that working people are struggling, they aren't the problem.

 

[strollingbones]

hmmmm bitch clinton had her shot at that...remember the failed health policies.....i certainly understand the concept of never voting republican....its has always worked for me...i am what use to be called a yellow dog democrat...now days i feel more like a zel miller democrat...i hope that if not a reference lost on ya....but i do not like political dynasties.. bush or clinton...simple as that...o and hell yea i loved bill..shit i went to see bill...just to see him in person....he preached to the choir but it was great....i can honestly say...bill clinton was and is the greatest politician of our time...he proved that at the funeral of graham....everyone else was rushing to their limos to get the house out of the gathering of all those political figures at once...and there stood bill...kissing women and babies mostly women and shaking hands...at that one moment in time..that crazy fucker stood for every american....saying we are not scared...you will not drive us underground...he stood there for us all....like him or not you have to give him credit for having some major balls...