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Sulfidated steel? What is that evidence of? It doesn't happen due to explosives.
I find it amusing that you don't know what the significance of sulfur is, but in the same sentence claim that explosives wouldn't produce evidence of sulfer!
You are a fucking idiot!
The addition of a small amount of sulfur 2%, increases the effectiveness of the steel melting or steel vaporizing process (eutectic) while barium nitrate creates a light orange flame. Prior to the release of FEMA's report, a fire protection engineer and two science professors published a brief report in JOM disclosing some of this evidence.
They reveal a phenomenon never before observed in building fires: eutectic reactions, which caused "intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese." The New York Times described this as "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation."
A one-inch column has been reduced to half-inch thickness. Its edges--which are curled like a paper scroll--have been thinned to almost razor sharpness. Gaping holes--some larger than a silver dollar--let light shine through a formerly solid steel flange. This Swiss cheese appearance shocked all of the fire-wise professors, who expected to see distortion and bending--but not holes.
FEMA's investigators inferred that a "liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and
sulfur" formed during a "hot corrosion attack on the steel." The eutectic mixture (having the elements in such proportion as to have the lowest possible melting point) penetrated the steel down grain boundaries, making it "susceptible to erosion."
Following are excerpts from Appendix C, Limited Metallurgical Examination.
Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and
sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure. A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and
sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel.
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The thinning of the steel occurred by high temperature corrosion due to a combination of oxidation and
sulfidation.
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The unusual thinning of the member is most likely due to an attack of the steel by grain boundary penetration of
sulfur forming sulfides that contain both iron and copper.
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liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel.
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The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event.
No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified. The rate of corrosion is also unknown. It is possible that this is the result of
long-term heating in the ground following the collapse of the buildings. It is also possible that the
phenomenon started prior to collapse and accelerated the weakening of the steel structure. A detailed study into the mechanisms of this phenomenon is needed to determine what risk, if any, is presented to existing steel structures exposed to severe and long-burning fires.
To answer your question--in short is
The melted steel, the severe corrosion, intergranular melting, and the abundance of sulfur are consistent with the theory of thermite arson.
Now you know, or will you continue to try to come up with some more outrageous bullshit, or ignore this by covering your eyes?
9-11 Research: Forensic Metallurgy
"Nanothermite"?
First off, they don't even claim to have found "nanothermite". They claim to have found an "active thermitic compound".
The nine authors undertook an in-depth study of unusual red-gray chips found in the dust generated during the destruction of the World Trade Center on 9/11/2001. The article states: “The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material.
When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 ˚C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.”
When one understands how Thermite and Thermate work, and that these violent reactions produce intense heat, white smoke, and molten iron, the visible evidence of thermitic reactions in the photographs and videos of 9-11 becomes quite obvious. The evidence of flowing molten metal preceded by pressure pulses of white smoke are clearly indicative of thermitic reactions, and can be seen in many videos and photos of the towers.
Dr. Farrer is featured in an article on page 11 of the BYU Frontiers magazine, Spring 2005: “Dr. Jeffrey Farrer, lab director for TEM” (TEM stands for Transmission Electron Microscopy). The article notes: “The electron microscopes in the TEM lab combine to give BYU capabilities that are virtually unique… rivaling anything built worldwide.” The article is entitled: “Rare and Powerful Microscopes Unlock Nano Secrets,”
which is certainly true as regards the discoveries of the present paper.
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe | 911Blogger.com
It was found and totally ignored by the cowards you fully endorse. What, are you saying nano thermite doesn't exist? You are as stupid as they come.
Not only that, but the "scientific" method they used was found to be complete horseshit.
LOL! Says who, a woefully ignorant liar like you? No thanks you're the last idiot people should trust, and you obviously can't tell the difference between horseshit and horse shoes. What method of testing would you have conducted, and why don't you provide any links to your sources that back up your claims?
Why do you think they had to pay to get it published and won't have it peer reviewed?
Formally published in a peer-reviewed Chemical Physics journal:
“Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe” by Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and Bradley R. Larsen
The peer-review on this paper was grueling, with pages of comments by referees. The tough questions the reviewers raised led to months of further experiments. These studies added much to the paper, including observation and photographs of iron-aluminum rich spheres produced as the material is ignited in a Differential Scanning Calorimeter
Horseshit he says!!
Whether they paid or not what does it matter anyway? Because they may have had to pay a fee, an ignorant fool like you would have us believe that the contents or science within it are false or not credible? I'm no expert but I trust these guys more then the blatant liars you do.
But this is just another example of you using your failed tactics to attack something of little significance to distract from the major points and topic
Your BS is sooo blatantly obvious!
You fucktards will fall for anything won't you.
On the contrary, it's idiots like you that swallow even the most obvious lies and impossible phenomena because you are too scared of a little pussy to see what a great majority of courageous people have come to accept, that is that the official explanation for the events of 9-11 point to a false flag attack and cover up.
Molten metal.... what is that suppose to be evidence of?
The bluish smoke that rose from the rubble pile contained large amounts of nanosized particles of metals created only in fires hotter than the boiling point of the metal.That is fucking hot, and your office fires and kerosene is not going to be able of those kinds of temps.
Neither the lack of air nor the continuous dousing with water affected these intense hot spots. Thermite has its own oxygen supply so it can remain covered up by rubble and still burn. They even resorted to using the chemical additive Pyrocool and ordered thousands of gallons of the stuff to try to put the fires out. This is evidence of thermite, which can be used underwater, cooking under the pile.
Thermite? That produces molten iron for a very short period of time. So what does molten metal prove other than your paranoid delusions apparently override common sense and logic?
Wrong, The discovery of thermite in the dust of the WTC is solid scientific proof that this steel melting and steel vaporizing material was used to demolish the twin towers on 9-11. The peer reviewed scientific paper- “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9-11 World Trade Center Catastrophe” by Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and Bradley R. Larsenthat presents the evidence of Super-Thermite (nano-sized Thermite compounds) in the dust of the twin towers.
Time to get off the C-4 and RDX crap you been reading about, as the primary source for this clandestine op. Thermite/thermate is now the substance most thought of as being used to cut the steel, especially since it was found there, and is the primary source that explains the molten metal.
Testimonial evidence of explosives? BULLSHIT. You have testimonial evidence of EXPLOSIONS. I realize you're too big of a fucking idiot to realize not all explosions are caused by explosives, but for Christ's sake! Learn something for once!
If there are hundreds of people that heard explosions, logic would say that explosives were used, and should have been included in the NIST investigation. You can see the towers exploding and not collapsing, or toppling like one would expect, in the videos. It's so fucking obvious to everyone except dumbfucks like you that suffer from a denial of severe proportions. So according to you, if you hear an explosion, your first reaction is anything other then an explosive causing it? You are in a class of moron unto yourself.
Really? So they heard the massive explosions liars like you claim were going off the entire time the towers were collapsing? Wow. Please point out how you came to that ludicrous conclusion.
It is possible that the collapsing floors and the sounds they made were the explosions. The collapsing floors sounded like explosions to many there that day, and for all we know very well could have been. I read that they charges could have been placed every 3rd floor. But you are assuming sounds that C4 and the like would make but anyone with half a brain should be able to figure out that had the buildings been rigged like a conventional CD, the entire deception wouldn't work!
And NONE of them witnessed explosives. They witnessed EXPLOSIONS. Again, get it through that pea brain of yours they are not the same. We realize a dishonest piece of shit like you can't help but lie your ass off at every opportunity, but why do you insist on putting words in their mouths?
Evidence of you distorting and twisting is so obvious here again. The point has been made to you time and again-an investigation that includes looking for the use of explosives is part of routine fire investigations, that NIST did not do. Explosions were heard and you finally gave up denying this, so now you try with all your disinfo might to separate the two and say that explosions and explosives somehow probably shouldn't be connected!
The dishonesty you display is rampant and obvious
No, fuck you, you traitorous piece of shit. I am not the one putting words in their mouths or pretending every explosion was caused by explosives. That would be you.
Your argument here fails so bad! Again explosions were heard-investigations for explosives should have been done, when will you finally get this through your dumb fucking delusional pea size brain?
Nobody ignored your sorry excuse for evidence. Unfortunately for you, your "evidence" isn't. Read above and weep, pussy!
Yes NIST ignored evidence, fabricated evidence, distorted evidence, the 9-11 commission even rejects its own findings. If you continue to refuse to acknowledge what most people can see and except, it shows you are lacking the most basic of human functions.
Shouting it doesn't make it true. I am guessing you never made it past the first grade given your schoolyard tactics most people grow out of.
A cursory glance at your posts since your chest thumping arrival here will show who the "1st grade school yard child" is
I've shown you a video where you can clearly hear the collapse, but don't hear a damn thing prior to or during the collapse that could in any way be described as an explosion.
There are videos with audio that one can clearly hear rumblings, and there are videos that were released by NIST under the FOIA, that clearly show signs of tampering with the audio. But anyway So?
It still does not mean the steel reacted the way it did by fire alone, you leave out the fact that a thermite cutting charge would not be as noisy as C-4 or RDX. You have to fall back on NIST presuming the use of conventional explosives, when clearly their use would have failed to be clandestine.
Again your audio silence does nothing, NOTHING to further the belief in the NIST fantasy. 3 Buildings, pulverized to dust, fell at or near free fall, with molten metal under the rubble pile that burned for 3 months, and evidence of thermite was found in the dust, and some steel- those are facts. Facts that the NIST explanation does not explain! It actually creates more questions, and makes them look more dishonest by finally admitting to free fall! Only idiots like you continue to swallow their bullshit!
Truthtards are neither intelligent or informed. You are a prime example. You don't know what constitutes evidence and you have to ignore evidence in order to make your bullshit stand.
Nope NIST is the agency ignoring evidence, it has been shown and proven in many cases, even their computer model is a laughing stock! It looks nothing like the actual cvollapse of 7! And continuing to ignore their shortcomings and lies shows what a truly stupid individual you and the OCTASSes are.
You think politics doesn't produce a bias? What rock do you hide your sorry ass under?
Of course it does asshole! What do you think the point I was trying to make was? God you are stupid! I showed you how many scientist and Nobel Prize Laureates signed the statement about "Bush Science"!
"Scientific" reports have been used repeatedly as political tools by the supposed scientists that perform the studies. How fucking naive does a person have to be to blindly trust a "scientific" study that can't stand a peer review and has clear motivations to "prove" a theory the "scientists" had been promoting before the "experiments" were even performed.
Take a good look at the "scientific study" you are defending and who was in charge, and who had political control and pressure over them, and you will see evidence of exactly what you are saying.
MR. Jones-The thermitic material that was found is much more then aluminum and rust! You've been giving too much credence to the guys trying to desperately deny all of this. They try to say that thermite was some kind of a natural material to find at ground zero. I guess you and they think that if you have all the ingredients to make a cake in your cupboard, you can just throw them out the window and presto..you have a cake!
Which explains why the "scientists" had to process the "dust" in order to get it to react, right?
What they fail to explain is why the "thermitic material" ignited at the wrong temperature and gave off the wrong amount of energy for thermite.
LOL, what you should be asking is what the fuck was this material doing in the WTC! You idiots are saying these are naturally occurring chemicals that would have made themselves into what was found? Fucking crazy!
The fact remains that it was found, and it is the possible explanation to the molten metal under the buildings, get over it and start asking yourself the really important questions others have moved onto, like how, and who would do this. You really are behind the curve junior.
Bullshit. First off, they're not credible scientists, second, they had to pay to get their report published, third, it was never peer reviewed, and fourth, despite your ignorant claims to the contrary, they didn't find nano-thermite but an "active thermitic substance".
Blah blah blah, who says they aren't credible scientists? Is that your opinion, or someone else saying this? Of course you have to attack their credentials cause you people got nothing else to attack!
All the crying and BS in the world you try to come up with, will not change what these brave men from the scientific community found and that many of their peers have excepted. Why don't you try to grow a pair and move the fuck on, if you give a shit about your country. "Patriot911".....What a joke!
Care to link these supposed other studies done by other agencies?
I care. Do you care enough to read them? I doubt it.
The bullshit ramblings of a delusional piece of shit. The NIST hasn't been caught in any lies, and the truthtard bowel movement consists of hundreds or MAYBE thousands, but definitely not millions. We know you like to stroke your own ego among other things, but you're not kidding anyone.
Not my ramblings, facts from credible people, way more credible then agencies, or governments that have lied to us in the past and continue to so, and way better human beings then you could ever dream to be.
How fucking stupid are you to think every explosion is caused by explosives? The NIST along with everyone else knows how loud explosives are. They know how much would be needed to cut the main column of WTC 7 and at a half mile it would sound like a gun going off right next to you.
I'm sure that there were explosions that were possibly not caused by explosives, but you are stupid to presume they are all caused by cans of furniture polish!
but your argument has been proven false many times, and thermite/thermate partially explains this but you can't seem to move on past this point. I guess you can't because your whole belief system will come crashing down on you and you're not man enough to except it.
They also know that these explosives would be going off just prior to and maybe even during the collapse, yet audio evidence shows no such explosions going off.
Already been explained to you.
And one has to ask themselves this... of all the people who heard explosions, why do only TWO claim it was explosives and neither one of them is an expert at what explosives sound like? Not to mention the fact the audio tapes prove they are outright lying or exaggerating to the point of lying.
Ha ha! Yeah ok sure. Explain to us then how these buildings came down, you claim to know so much, and are so certain that what NIST says is so true. Truth is you can't, you have to use strawmen and BS tactics like attacking the integrity of people to make your theory work, because scientifically, and just plain ole common sense, NIST theory is so full of shit it's laughable, and so are you.
The explosive blast in 93 was recorded by seismographs. No such record exists on 9/11.
I read there are, and there's also thermal imaging taken from space depicting the intense heat at GZ, that no office fires could ever generate.
There was no van with explosives. There were no explosives in the basements.
Police radio reports are all over the tubes on this! Like I said, you are severely behind the curve and sorely lacking in information. That is why you say stupid shit like this. What a joke!! You really expect people who read this to take you seriously
There is overwhelming evidence that the people who make the claim of explosives in the basements are doing so for reasons other than honest ones.
Like what reasons? Or are you just talking out of your ass again? Maybe you could elaborate, cause you sound like an idiot again.
Wrong yet again. The NIST has NOT been caught lying unless one wants to buy into your bullshit lies. You have yet to show any real evidence to back up your claims, much less proven anything.
NIST lied, I posted information and links to back this up, but you will have to read NIST own reports, to confirm it for yourself which you wont do, so you will continuing to repeat BS arguments that have been kicked to the curb already.
Repeating lies you can't even back up doesn't make them true no matter HOW much you whine like a little bitch about it.
This fits you so well it's funny that you yourself posted it
And given the wind was blowing to the south, what direction did the smoke go?
From what I can gather it went totally up your ass, through your empty dome and out your ears.
As said by a known proven liar like you.
No thank you. You're a piece of shit liar and the claims you make are likewise pieces of shit. One of the truthtard "witnesses" made the claim that there was only smoke coming from one corner of the south face. That has now been clearly shown to be a complete lie. Now you, in a pathetic attempt to try and save face, are trying to compare the fires themselves to WTC 5 and 6.
Why didn't 5-6 collapse and pulverize like 7? Why don't you ask yourself things like this instead of desperately holding on to dogshit about smoke? It doesn't make a difference, the fires were not hot enough to reach all the critical support beams, and move them out of the way to facilitate free fall you dumb ass MFKER! Or leave all that molten metal underneath! Dumbfuck! Can't you at the very least,
TRY to use what little common sense you may have left?
Lies built on lies built on lies.
Exactly what the government and its agencies have done, and you cannot except this reality, or are too dumb to see it no matter what. You have no fucking sense. You are a lost fool!
The videos show you're a fucking liar.
Actually many videos show the government, NIST and others you defend are the liars.
The fact the wind was blowing to the south proves you're a liar.
What a fucking whiny pussy! The wind!! What a desperate silly tool you are. I told you the wind and smoke has been blown straight up yer ass dumbfuck!
Now the
wind is supposed to prove and answer all these questions? Good God man, you are really desperate!
The fact you're WAY too stupid to make any kinds of claims about how fast a building can or cannot collapse proves you're an ignorant asshole of epic proportions. Keep it up, junior! You're doing a wonderful job of making the truthtard bowel movement look like a bunch of incompetent fucktards.
I vote for you as the #1 asshole of the OCTASSes!
The buildings...3 of them..fell at or near free fall speed..NIST had to admit free fall...kerosene does not burn hot enough to cause this, or the molten metal...you are a fool if you can not fathom these very basic FACTS!!
Thanks for confirming the wind was blowing from the North. The videos quite clearly show the smoke was not a vortex. How about explaining why the smoke STARTS at the south face of the WTC 7 and doesn't extend past that? Face it, moron. The sources you're defending are outright lying to you about this and everything else.
I can show you a video of a vortex at GZ but it doesn't matter fuckwad, WTC7 did not come down the way it did, because of "intense fires"!!! You are defending treason so by doing this you are a traitor to the country, and you shit on the principles that it was founded on.
I didn't have to throw out evidence that didn't fit my preconceived notions.
Yes you do, you ignore common sense, and very good science, and evidence that supports a real plausible explanation, evidence that has not been corrupted by politics and created out of fear. You ignore evidence that is not based on an agenda that is necessary to coincide with on energy policy that PNAC developed. You are a goddamned foolish idiot to refuse the overwhelming evidence that clearly points at the real enemies to the nation.
Man are YOU gullible if you think they don't have reasons to lie. Why do all you truthtards lie? Simple. You have an anti-government / anti-semitic / anti-whomever you're blaming this week agenda. The very fact you shitheads can't even agree on what did or did not happen, by whom or how shows that you, as a group, are doing nothing but a circle jerk.
You show quite a lack of knowledge of world events and politics, and I normally feel sorry for people like you, but your such an asshole that is too stubborn to realize how misinformed and plain wrong you actually are!
Your attitude further prohibits you from learning very important things about our nation and world that greatly effects you! You are a sorry ass person who has to resort to vulgarities and school yard tactics to bolster your obvious wrong beliefs.
You can't even get the simple facts straight. Care to prove the molten metal was there for three months?
Look, all you have to do is search...it's in all the archived papers and can still be found online. This isn't the first time you have been told this, and you still seem to have to be led by the hand to perform even the most simplest of tasks, and resort to having to ask others to help you along. Get with it man, you really look like a fool typing things like this.
Regardless, here's a real simple excercise for you. Look up what chemical reaction can keep steel melted for more than a few minutes. You won't find one. If you did, you would solve most of the world's fuel and energy problems.
Show us where a hirise building fire burned for months under ground. Try that one for one of your
exercises.
You run from evidence or try to dismiss it for no real reason, much less a valid reason.
Sorry guy, but it really is you that is running away from reason.
Says a known, proven liar despite all the video evidence to the contrary.
Your description OF YOURSELF to a T.
Because there was ZERO actual evidence to support the explosions theory. No audio tapes showed explosions prior to or during the collapse. You can't have explosions large enough to cut all the columns without sound. This is a fact you will continue to ignore in your haste to tell your lies.
Thermitic cutter charges, and there were explosions you lying dumbfuck.
I have never denied explosions. What I have denied is the SOURCE of those explosions. YOU and your fellow truthtards pretend all explosions have to be caused by explosives. THAT is truly retarded.
And you pretend that in a scenario like a terror attack on 9-11, in a complex that was BOMBED before, an explosion being caused by an explosive should be treated as an afterthought!
"Nah don't worry about it, just a couple cans of WD40, or Lemon Pledge"!
You really have no idea just how stupid you sound by saying this do you?
You are definitely a stupid, fucking moron!
NIST should have investigated it, plain and simple. How can you back such a flawed investigation? You probably
do think the explosions were cans of furniture polish!
So why is it only TWO of all the people who heard explosions actually think they were caused by explosives?
Thinking something so absurd is typical of your reasoning.
Mr. Jones said:
No not retarded listen to FDNY for yourself. In this video first we hear a fire fighter explaining his involvement on 9/11, then we hear a firefighter who says they cant say anything due to a gag order, he can not even provide his name and he says that it is because he wants to keep his job for the next week, and after the next week..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y41DnwHBsaE&feature=player_embedded
Fire fighters, like police officers, are not suppose to talk about what is going on while it is going on. Those are the RULES. That is why the police and fire departments have spokespeople; to control the rumors and outright lies pieces of shit like you constantly make up. In fact, if you listen to what the firefighter says, he directs the reporter to the command center where the spokesperson is that can tell them what is going on.
Did you even watch the video or are you just parroting what others are pretending is on the video?
He was following orders and admits "we are gagged". It is well known that many people are afraid to say what they really think, and and stupid idiots that have no clue of the real world like yourself are the only ones that wouldn't know this. Strange how NIST didn't
follow the RULES.
Mr. Jones said:
Wow you and another OCTASS are always projecting your homo fantasies on here
Alex Jones sure must turn your little queer ass on! Your thinking about another mans dick!?
Now we know what you think about when you get frustrated. Do you always think about AJs dick? Good God you really shouldn't expose your fantasies, Hey if anybody is doing any pole sucking it would be you. You seem to open up and swallow like a good little sheeple bitch
You're a queer on top of being an asshole and an idiot! You just exposed it for all here to see!
Way to respond! WOOHOOO!!!!!! So you can't actually respond as to how a CONSULTANT to the FDNY can hand down a binding gag order. Let it be known all you could do is talk about dicks.
Hey anyone that wants to know who started projecting homo fantasies about other mens privates can just go back and read your filthy posts.
This particular consultant obviously had a lot of pull you stupid fuck, they were following their consultants orders, and if they didn't what do you think would have happened to them, and their job at FDNY, faced disciplinary actions and the like, possibly lose years of pensions, are you that stupid that you can't figure this stuff out and put the simplest of things together?
Mr. Jones said:
You need to seriously get a grip and read what was posted again you are seriously twisting shit up again
Ah fuck it you're a hopeless troll anyway.
But no matter what you say or how you try spin it and use all your little sissy disinfo techniques, and try to bolster the lie that is the official fantasy,.. you lose, because there is more reason to believe then not that 9-11 was a false flag attack on the nation as a pretext for war for obtain energy sources and military bases. They killed innocent American citizens and count on treasonous commie loving faggots like yourself to swallow their obvious lies and spread anti American propaganda. You are the type of scumbag that I pray will pay for every single lie that comes out of your filthy faggot mouth.
I see you couldn't even begin to respond to that set of your lies either. Way to go! Truthtards truly suck ass at trying to defend what they claim is true! It is the only thing you've proven so far. Must make you feel good.
I've responded to your asinine BS long enough. You're a hopeless idiot, and not doing anybody one bit of service by posting garbage that has been refuted time and again, you have been exposed as the lying troll you really are, and a disgrace to all OCTASSes everywhere.
