Chinese military calls US biggest threat to world peace

[Taz]

..the world is usually NEVER at peace..there are always conflictS/wars/etc
..there NEVER has been world peace

Maybe if we stopped attacking countries, especially the ones that never did anything to us, like Iraq and Afghanistan. Lots of countries have been peaceful for almost ever, just the US that has been at war for nearly its whole existence.

....Afghanistan is where the people lived----that murdered more Americans than at Pearl Harbor
...so we should just let them murder Americans???????!!!!!!!.. = idiocy
..that's like a cop letting a criminal go

.

Most of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. And invading Afghanistan to get Al-Qaeda makes as much sense as Invading Italy to get at the mafia.

hahahahahaha-again
so we go to SA while the terrorists are in Afghanistan!!!??--BRILLIANT

The hijackers were NEVER in Afghanistan, they were trained in the US. So in fact the Afghans had nothing to do with 9/11 and didn't deserve that we destroy their country.

hahahhahahahahhahaha
you people are amateurs --you lose with every post you make
..the brains/HQ/etc was in Afghanistan

So why not simply send in a Seal team? Sending in a whole didn't work at all. And the Talibans and the Afghan people had nothing to do with anything. And we supposedly caught Osama in Pakistan and never invaded them. What gives?

 

[Taz]

..the world is usually NEVER at peace..there are always conflictS/wars/etc
..there NEVER has been world peace

Maybe if we stopped attacking countries, especially the ones that never did anything to us, like Iraq and Afghanistan. Lots of countries have been peaceful for almost ever, just the US that has been at war for nearly its whole existence.

....Afghanistan is where the people lived----that murdered more Americans than at Pearl Harbor
...so we should just let them murder Americans???????!!!!!!!.. = idiocy
..that's like a cop letting a criminal go

.

Most of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. And invading Afghanistan to get Al-Qaeda makes as much sense as Invading Italy to get at the mafia.

hahahahahaha-again
so we go to SA while the terrorists are in Afghanistan!!!??--BRILLIANT

The hijackers were NEVER in Afghanistan, they were trained in the US. So in fact the Afghans had nothing to do with 9/11 and didn't deserve that we destroy their country.

you prove to know nothing about wars/military
..the French were our Allies in WW2--yet we ''destroyed'' their towns/killed their people.....that's part of war
..again, like I said, it's the terrorists fault, not the US'...just like it was Germany's fault in WW2

The Germans attacked an ally of ours. The Afghans and the Iraqis didn't attack anyone.

 

[harmonica]

..the world is usually NEVER at peace..there are always conflictS/wars/etc
..there NEVER has been world peace

Maybe if we stopped attacking countries, especially the ones that never did anything to us, like Iraq and Afghanistan. Lots of countries have been peaceful for almost ever, just the US that has been at war for nearly its whole existence.

....Afghanistan is where the people lived----that murdered more Americans than at Pearl Harbor
...so we should just let them murder Americans???????!!!!!!!.. = idiocy
..that's like a cop letting a criminal go

.

Most of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. And invading Afghanistan to get Al-Qaeda makes as much sense as Invading Italy to get at the mafia.

hahahahahaha-again
so we go to SA while the terrorists are in Afghanistan!!!??--BRILLIANT

The hijackers were NEVER in Afghanistan, they were trained in the US. So in fact the Afghans had nothing to do with 9/11 and didn't deserve that we destroy their country.

you prove to know nothing about wars/military
..the French were our Allies in WW2--yet we ''destroyed'' their towns/killed their people.....that's part of war
..again, like I said, it's the terrorists fault, not the US'...just like it was Germany's fault in WW2

The Germans attacked an ally of ours. The Afghans and the Iraqis didn't attack anyone.

..the Iraqis attacked Kuwait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hahahahhahaha
2. doesn't matter..the bad guys are hiding in Afghanistan --DUH

 

[gipper]

They sound just like Democrats.

Chinese military calls US biggest threat to world peace

They’re right. Clearly so. The whole world knows it, except for most Americans. I wonder why?

Ds are terrible warmongers. Eight years of Ear’s and dumb Joe’s multiple wars, should have clued you in. Plus, now Joe says he will do all he can to keep the MIC humming.
Joe Biden Says He May Further Increase Military Spending If Elected

Stop watching Fox News. It results in dumb posts and keeps you uninformed.

 

[harmonica]

..the world is usually NEVER at peace..there are always conflictS/wars/etc
..there NEVER has been world peace

Maybe if we stopped attacking countries, especially the ones that never did anything to us, like Iraq and Afghanistan. Lots of countries have been peaceful for almost ever, just the US that has been at war for nearly its whole existence.

....Afghanistan is where the people lived----that murdered more Americans than at Pearl Harbor
...so we should just let them murder Americans???????!!!!!!!.. = idiocy
..that's like a cop letting a criminal go

.

Most of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. And invading Afghanistan to get Al-Qaeda makes as much sense as Invading Italy to get at the mafia.

hahahahahaha-again
so we go to SA while the terrorists are in Afghanistan!!!??--BRILLIANT

The hijackers were NEVER in Afghanistan, they were trained in the US. So in fact the Afghans had nothing to do with 9/11 and didn't deserve that we destroy their country.

hahahhahahahahhahaha
you people are amateurs --you lose with every post you make
..the brains/HQ/etc was in Afghanistan

So why not simply send in a Seal team? Sending in a whole didn't work at all. And the Talibans and the Afghan people had nothing to do with anything. And we supposedly caught Osama in Pakistan and never invaded them. What gives?

THERE!!!! right there you prove to know nothing about the military
..I've read and studied the military/wars for over 40 years
..I was IN the military for 8 years

.....ever hear of the word logistics --it's one of the most critical aspects of war/military ops
...they are fighting the Taliban/Al Qaeda/different groups/etc -not just a few terrorists
...they need choppers!!!! can't have those choppers flying from the Gulf/etc to Afghanistan when they can be based in Afghanistan
...those choppers need security--1 SEAL team can't:
provide logistics
guard
take out terrorists
etc etc etc --they need support

etc to infinity !!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Moonglow]

..the world is usually NEVER at peace..there are always conflictS/wars/etc
..there NEVER has been world peace

Yes there has but you feed off the testosterone power legality of murder and death.

 

[harmonica]

..the world is usually NEVER at peace..there are always conflictS/wars/etc
..there NEVER has been world peace

Maybe if we stopped attacking countries, especially the ones that never did anything to us, like Iraq and Afghanistan. Lots of countries have been peaceful for almost ever, just the US that has been at war for nearly its whole existence.

....Afghanistan is where the people lived----that murdered more Americans than at Pearl Harbor
...so we should just let them murder Americans???????!!!!!!!.. = idiocy
..that's like a cop letting a criminal go

.

Most of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. And invading Afghanistan to get Al-Qaeda makes as much sense as Invading Italy to get at the mafia.

hahahahahaha-again
so we go to SA while the terrorists are in Afghanistan!!!??--BRILLIANT

The hijackers were NEVER in Afghanistan, they were trained in the US. So in fact the Afghans had nothing to do with 9/11 and didn't deserve that we destroy their country.

hahahhahahahahhahaha
you people are amateurs --you lose with every post you make
..the brains/HQ/etc was in Afghanistan

So why not simply send in a Seal team? Sending in a whole didn't work at all. And the Talibans and the Afghan people had nothing to do with anything. And we supposedly caught Osama in Pakistan and never invaded them. What gives?

..yes--it DID work..it damaged the Taliban/Al Qaeda/etc.....

.....you people don't know about wars/etc---JUST LIKE these incidents in the US = you people are thinking in Movie/TV terms--not realism
1.it's not a war like WW2
2. these wars are complicated

3. most wars are not total wars with no CLEAR winners!!! == huge point here = most wars do not have clear winners or losers -- no victories

 

[harmonica]

..the world is usually NEVER at peace..there are always conflictS/wars/etc
..there NEVER has been world peace

Yes there has but you feed off the testosterone power legality of murder and death.

1. hahahhahahah
2. what murder???

 

[harmonica]

..the world is usually NEVER at peace..there are always conflictS/wars/etc
..there NEVER has been world peace

Yes there has but you feed off the testosterone power legality of murder and death.

oh and
3. that's just babble crap

 

[Taz]

..the world is usually NEVER at peace..there are always conflictS/wars/etc
..there NEVER has been world peace

Maybe if we stopped attacking countries, especially the ones that never did anything to us, like Iraq and Afghanistan. Lots of countries have been peaceful for almost ever, just the US that has been at war for nearly its whole existence.

....Afghanistan is where the people lived----that murdered more Americans than at Pearl Harbor
...so we should just let them murder Americans???????!!!!!!!.. = idiocy
..that's like a cop letting a criminal go

.

Most of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. And invading Afghanistan to get Al-Qaeda makes as much sense as Invading Italy to get at the mafia.

hahahahahaha-again
so we go to SA while the terrorists are in Afghanistan!!!??--BRILLIANT

The hijackers were NEVER in Afghanistan, they were trained in the US. So in fact the Afghans had nothing to do with 9/11 and didn't deserve that we destroy their country.

you prove to know nothing about wars/military
..the French were our Allies in WW2--yet we ''destroyed'' their towns/killed their people.....that's part of war
..again, like I said, it's the terrorists fault, not the US'...just like it was Germany's fault in WW2

The Germans attacked an ally of ours. The Afghans and the Iraqis didn't attack anyone.

..the Iraqis attacked Kuwait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hahahahhahaha
2. doesn't matter..the bad guys are hiding in Afghanistan --DUH

The first war for Kuwait had nothing to do with why we invaded Iraq. Shit man, crowdfund yourself a clue.

 

[harmonica]

..the world is usually NEVER at peace..there are always conflictS/wars/etc
..there NEVER has been world peace

Maybe if we stopped attacking countries, especially the ones that never did anything to us, like Iraq and Afghanistan. Lots of countries have been peaceful for almost ever, just the US that has been at war for nearly its whole existence.

....Afghanistan is where the people lived----that murdered more Americans than at Pearl Harbor
...so we should just let them murder Americans???????!!!!!!!.. = idiocy
..that's like a cop letting a criminal go

.

Most of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. And invading Afghanistan to get Al-Qaeda makes as much sense as Invading Italy to get at the mafia.

hahahahahaha-again
so we go to SA while the terrorists are in Afghanistan!!!??--BRILLIANT

The hijackers were NEVER in Afghanistan, they were trained in the US. So in fact the Afghans had nothing to do with 9/11 and didn't deserve that we destroy their country.

hahahhahahahahhahaha
you people are amateurs --you lose with every post you make
..the brains/HQ/etc was in Afghanistan

So why not simply send in a Seal team? Sending in a whole didn't work at all. And the Talibans and the Afghan people had nothing to do with anything. And we supposedly caught Osama in Pakistan and never invaded them. What gives?

jesus christ!!
you think they have only ONE group of terrorists with ONE person that commands/operates/sends orders/sends supplies/coordinates/etc etc??
..NO. these people aren't stupid ragheads eating and drinking in tents

 

[Moonglow]

They sound correct.

we know you hate America

I hate many of the things are leaders do. We are the ones dropping bombs all over the place, not other countries.

the other countries START the crap--just like black criminals do = THEY are the bad guys, not the US

What did Iraq start?

????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!woooohooooooo
hitler started 1 war, Iraq started 2 wars--DUH
hitler gassed his own people--so did saddam
hitler violated the cease fire armistice--so did Iraq
Iraq harbored infamous terrorists

Abu Nidal - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

How did Iraq start the second war?

?????????!!!!!!!!!!!
do you people not research/etc!!!!!
they VIOLATED the cease fire----do you not know what a cease fire is????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.congress.gov/105/plaws/publ235/PLAW-105publ235.pdf

They were minding their own business and we invaded Iraq for non-existent WMD. Now you know.

hahhahahahha DIDN"T matter
....you need to graduate 4th grade because obviously you can't read:
they hindered inspectors
..we didn't ''invade''' for WMDs
AND like I said--if Iraq had not started PG1, there would be no PG2
....any way you cut it, you are wrong
..you are babbling because you have no argument

The weakness of GW Bush sr to not execute the axiom of war cost the US and its allies dearly. Bush should have taken all of Iraq and deposed and hung Saddam in 1991..

 

[Taz]

..the world is usually NEVER at peace..there are always conflictS/wars/etc
..there NEVER has been world peace

Maybe if we stopped attacking countries, especially the ones that never did anything to us, like Iraq and Afghanistan. Lots of countries have been peaceful for almost ever, just the US that has been at war for nearly its whole existence.

....Afghanistan is where the people lived----that murdered more Americans than at Pearl Harbor
...so we should just let them murder Americans???????!!!!!!!.. = idiocy
..that's like a cop letting a criminal go

.

Most of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. And invading Afghanistan to get Al-Qaeda makes as much sense as Invading Italy to get at the mafia.

hahahahahaha-again
so we go to SA while the terrorists are in Afghanistan!!!??--BRILLIANT

The hijackers were NEVER in Afghanistan, they were trained in the US. So in fact the Afghans had nothing to do with 9/11 and didn't deserve that we destroy their country.

hahahhahahahahhahaha
you people are amateurs --you lose with every post you make
..the brains/HQ/etc was in Afghanistan

So why not simply send in a Seal team? Sending in a whole didn't work at all. And the Talibans and the Afghan people had nothing to do with anything. And we supposedly caught Osama in Pakistan and never invaded them. What gives?

..yes--it DID work..it damaged the Taliban/Al Qaeda/etc.....

.....you people don't know about wars/etc---JUST LIKE these incidents in the US = you people are thinking in Movie/TV terms--not realism
1.it's not a war like WW2
2. these wars are complicated

3. most wars are not total wars with no CLEAR winners!!! == huge point here = most wars do not have clear winners or losers -- no victories

We didn't win in Iraq and we didn't win in Afghanistan, after nearly 20 years. We couldn't beat people fighting in PJs and sandals.

 

[harmonica]

..the world is usually NEVER at peace..there are always conflictS/wars/etc
..there NEVER has been world peace

Maybe if we stopped attacking countries, especially the ones that never did anything to us, like Iraq and Afghanistan. Lots of countries have been peaceful for almost ever, just the US that has been at war for nearly its whole existence.

....Afghanistan is where the people lived----that murdered more Americans than at Pearl Harbor
...so we should just let them murder Americans???????!!!!!!!.. = idiocy
..that's like a cop letting a criminal go

.

Most of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. And invading Afghanistan to get Al-Qaeda makes as much sense as Invading Italy to get at the mafia.

hahahahahaha-again
so we go to SA while the terrorists are in Afghanistan!!!??--BRILLIANT

The hijackers were NEVER in Afghanistan, they were trained in the US. So in fact the Afghans had nothing to do with 9/11 and didn't deserve that we destroy their country.

you prove to know nothing about wars/military
..the French were our Allies in WW2--yet we ''destroyed'' their towns/killed their people.....that's part of war
..again, like I said, it's the terrorists fault, not the US'...just like it was Germany's fault in WW2

The Germans attacked an ally of ours. The Afghans and the Iraqis didn't attack anyone.

..the Iraqis attacked Kuwait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hahahahhahaha
2. doesn't matter..the bad guys are hiding in Afghanistan --DUH

The first war for Kuwait had nothing to do with why we invaded Iraq. Shit man, crowdfund yourself a clue.

....yes it did--they violated the cease fire of PG1--the war for Kuwait
AND, if Iraq had not invaded Kuwait, there would not have been a PG2

 

[Taz]

..the world is usually NEVER at peace..there are always conflictS/wars/etc
..there NEVER has been world peace

Maybe if we stopped attacking countries, especially the ones that never did anything to us, like Iraq and Afghanistan. Lots of countries have been peaceful for almost ever, just the US that has been at war for nearly its whole existence.

....Afghanistan is where the people lived----that murdered more Americans than at Pearl Harbor
...so we should just let them murder Americans???????!!!!!!!.. = idiocy
..that's like a cop letting a criminal go

.

Most of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. And invading Afghanistan to get Al-Qaeda makes as much sense as Invading Italy to get at the mafia.

hahahahahaha-again
so we go to SA while the terrorists are in Afghanistan!!!??--BRILLIANT

The hijackers were NEVER in Afghanistan, they were trained in the US. So in fact the Afghans had nothing to do with 9/11 and didn't deserve that we destroy their country.

hahahhahahahahhahaha
you people are amateurs --you lose with every post you make
..the brains/HQ/etc was in Afghanistan

So why not simply send in a Seal team? Sending in a whole didn't work at all. And the Talibans and the Afghan people had nothing to do with anything. And we supposedly caught Osama in Pakistan and never invaded them. What gives?

jesus christ!!
you think they have only ONE group of terrorists with ONE person that commands/operates/sends orders/sends supplies/coordinates/etc etc??
..NO. these people aren't stupid ragheads eating and drinking in tents

If we're attacking Afghanistan as a whole, why get troops killed, why not just nuke the fucking sand pile? We don't know how to win a war any more.

 

[harmonica]

..the world is usually NEVER at peace..there are always conflictS/wars/etc
..there NEVER has been world peace

Maybe if we stopped attacking countries, especially the ones that never did anything to us, like Iraq and Afghanistan. Lots of countries have been peaceful for almost ever, just the US that has been at war for nearly its whole existence.

....Afghanistan is where the people lived----that murdered more Americans than at Pearl Harbor
...so we should just let them murder Americans???????!!!!!!!.. = idiocy
..that's like a cop letting a criminal go

.

Most of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. And invading Afghanistan to get Al-Qaeda makes as much sense as Invading Italy to get at the mafia.

hahahahahaha-again
so we go to SA while the terrorists are in Afghanistan!!!??--BRILLIANT

The hijackers were NEVER in Afghanistan, they were trained in the US. So in fact the Afghans had nothing to do with 9/11 and didn't deserve that we destroy their country.

hahahhahahahahhahaha
you people are amateurs --you lose with every post you make
..the brains/HQ/etc was in Afghanistan

So why not simply send in a Seal team? Sending in a whole didn't work at all. And the Talibans and the Afghan people had nothing to do with anything. And we supposedly caught Osama in Pakistan and never invaded them. What gives?

..yes--it DID work..it damaged the Taliban/Al Qaeda/etc.....

.....you people don't know about wars/etc---JUST LIKE these incidents in the US = you people are thinking in Movie/TV terms--not realism
1.it's not a war like WW2
2. these wars are complicated

3. most wars are not total wars with no CLEAR winners!!! == huge point here = most wars do not have clear winners or losers -- no victories

We didn't win in Iraq and we didn't win in Afghanistan, after nearly 20 years. We couldn't beat people fighting in PJs and sandals.

again, you prove to know nothing about wars--see post #47

 

[Taz]

..the world is usually NEVER at peace..there are always conflictS/wars/etc
..there NEVER has been world peace

Maybe if we stopped attacking countries, especially the ones that never did anything to us, like Iraq and Afghanistan. Lots of countries have been peaceful for almost ever, just the US that has been at war for nearly its whole existence.

....Afghanistan is where the people lived----that murdered more Americans than at Pearl Harbor
...so we should just let them murder Americans???????!!!!!!!.. = idiocy
..that's like a cop letting a criminal go

.

Most of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. And invading Afghanistan to get Al-Qaeda makes as much sense as Invading Italy to get at the mafia.

hahahahahaha-again
so we go to SA while the terrorists are in Afghanistan!!!??--BRILLIANT

The hijackers were NEVER in Afghanistan, they were trained in the US. So in fact the Afghans had nothing to do with 9/11 and didn't deserve that we destroy their country.

you prove to know nothing about wars/military
..the French were our Allies in WW2--yet we ''destroyed'' their towns/killed their people.....that's part of war
..again, like I said, it's the terrorists fault, not the US'...just like it was Germany's fault in WW2

The Germans attacked an ally of ours. The Afghans and the Iraqis didn't attack anyone.

..the Iraqis attacked Kuwait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hahahahhahaha
2. doesn't matter..the bad guys are hiding in Afghanistan --DUH

The first war for Kuwait had nothing to do with why we invaded Iraq. Shit man, crowdfund yourself a clue.

....yes it did--they violated the cease fire of PG1--the war for Kuwait
AND, if Iraq had not invaded Kuwait, there would not have been a PG2

You have no clue, have fun with that.

 

[harmonica]

..the world is usually NEVER at peace..there are always conflictS/wars/etc
..there NEVER has been world peace

Maybe if we stopped attacking countries, especially the ones that never did anything to us, like Iraq and Afghanistan. Lots of countries have been peaceful for almost ever, just the US that has been at war for nearly its whole existence.

....Afghanistan is where the people lived----that murdered more Americans than at Pearl Harbor
...so we should just let them murder Americans???????!!!!!!!.. = idiocy
..that's like a cop letting a criminal go

.

Most of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. And invading Afghanistan to get Al-Qaeda makes as much sense as Invading Italy to get at the mafia.

hahahahahaha-again
so we go to SA while the terrorists are in Afghanistan!!!??--BRILLIANT

The hijackers were NEVER in Afghanistan, they were trained in the US. So in fact the Afghans had nothing to do with 9/11 and didn't deserve that we destroy their country.

hahahhahahahahhahaha
you people are amateurs --you lose with every post you make
..the brains/HQ/etc was in Afghanistan

So why not simply send in a Seal team? Sending in a whole didn't work at all. And the Talibans and the Afghan people had nothing to do with anything. And we supposedly caught Osama in Pakistan and never invaded them. What gives?

jesus christ!!
you think they have only ONE group of terrorists with ONE person that commands/operates/sends orders/sends supplies/coordinates/etc etc??
..NO. these people aren't stupid ragheads eating and drinking in tents

If we're attacking Afghanistan as a whole, why get troops killed, why not just nuke the fucking sand pile? We don't know how to win a war any more.

1. we won PG1--''fast'''/with ''few casualties
2. we won in Korea---I've linked and proven this many times on USMB
stop!!!!!!!!!!! OBVIOUSLY you don't research/etc about wars
AND, again see post #47

 

[harmonica]

..the world is usually NEVER at peace..there are always conflictS/wars/etc
..there NEVER has been world peace

Maybe if we stopped attacking countries, especially the ones that never did anything to us, like Iraq and Afghanistan. Lots of countries have been peaceful for almost ever, just the US that has been at war for nearly its whole existence.

....Afghanistan is where the people lived----that murdered more Americans than at Pearl Harbor
...so we should just let them murder Americans???????!!!!!!!.. = idiocy
..that's like a cop letting a criminal go

.

Most of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. And invading Afghanistan to get Al-Qaeda makes as much sense as Invading Italy to get at the mafia.

hahahahahaha-again
so we go to SA while the terrorists are in Afghanistan!!!??--BRILLIANT

The hijackers were NEVER in Afghanistan, they were trained in the US. So in fact the Afghans had nothing to do with 9/11 and didn't deserve that we destroy their country.

hahahhahahahahhahaha
you people are amateurs --you lose with every post you make
..the brains/HQ/etc was in Afghanistan

So why not simply send in a Seal team? Sending in a whole didn't work at all. And the Talibans and the Afghan people had nothing to do with anything. And we supposedly caught Osama in Pakistan and never invaded them. What gives?

..yes--it DID work..it damaged the Taliban/Al Qaeda/etc.....

.....you people don't know about wars/etc---JUST LIKE these incidents in the US = you people are thinking in Movie/TV terms--not realism
1.it's not a war like WW2
2. these wars are complicated

3. most wars are not total wars with no CLEAR winners!!! == huge point here = most wars do not have clear winners or losers -- no victories

We didn't win in Iraq and we didn't win in Afghanistan, after nearly 20 years. We couldn't beat people fighting in PJs and sandals.

won in the Balkans also--you see, you don't know much about wars, if anything at all
''''''Most importantly, it was the first air campaign that produced victory without the use of ground forces. Operation Allied Force, or the Air War Over Serbia, resulted in victory without any American or NATO “boots on the ground.”'''''

https://media.defense.gov/2016/Mar/17/2001481638/-1/-1/0/PAGES%20FROM%20AIR_POWER_HISTORY_SUMMER-2015.PDF

 

[Gdjjr]

They would be correct. The US believes colonization of the world to enFORCE its hegemonic dominance is the only possible way to- what?