Chinese drones can destroy f-35 in seconds?

[WorldWatcher]

Drones are redefining warfare.
I know they are very effective against tanks and ground defenses.
They are also a nightmare for helicopters.

I don’t know how they would engage an F35 unless it is making a ground attack

Personally, I don't think the "destroy in seconds" is referring to airborne combat scenerios.

I see it more of the drones doing a swarm attack on ground bases from which the F-35 is operating.

Destroying an F-35 on the ground is a very different proposition from destroying one in the air.

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[WorldWatcher]

The second the drone turns on it's radar, the F-35 will know it's there long before the F-35 gets into range that the drone can lock on and launch. The range of the drone detection will be far shorter than the range of the Amraam fired from the F-35.

The only reason the Russian bird was bagged was out of shear sloppy procedure.

If the discussion is air-to-air engagement.

If the drone can even find the F-35, then it becomes a numbers game.

The F-35 can only carry a limited number of missiles in it's internal bays (IIRC it's like 4 or 6).

So while you are correct in that the F-35 will be able to engage and destory a single drone at range. What does it do when that engagement is with 20 drones per F-35? (Remember drones are supposed to be significantly cheaper, meaning the ability to field more.)

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[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Drones are redefining warfare.
I know they are very effective against tanks and ground defenses.
They are also a nightmare for helicopters.

I don’t know how they would engage an F35 unless it is making a ground attack

When have drones been used effectively against helicopters? Talking out of your ass, as per usual?

 

[rightwinger]

When have drones been used effectively against helicopters? Talking out of your ass, as per usual?

Ukraine

The rotors on a helicopters are very vulnerable

 

[Zavulon]

Part of the stealth technology's advantage is that the aircraft is basically invisible. You can't kill it if you can't find it.

Nothing is really invisible. Stelth aircrafts are low-visible in certain radar frequences from the certain directions when they are in "no emission" mode. But in other radar frequencies, or via visible light spectrum, or when they are emitting something (like turning their radars on) they are pretty visible.

 

[Zavulon]

The problem is that even the most advanced radar cannot distinguish between a stealth fighter/bomber and a large bird.

Of course it can. First of all, no bird can fly that fast. Second - on other frequencies they are pretty good visible. Third - when you have coordinates you can use lidar or visual optico-electronic confirmation.

It is usually only after payload has been delivered before the plane can be detected and then only briefly.

Only if you are talking about half of century old technologies somewhere in the middle of nowhere.

 

[kyzr]

Only if you are talking about half of century old technologies somewhere in the middle of nowhere.

The US had a stealth plane shot down, and learned the hard way that the bombay doors need to open inward.

March 27, 1999: The Only Time A Stealth Warplane was Shot Down - History and Headlines

On March 27, 1999, Lieutenant Colonel Dale Zelko of the US Air Force became the first pilot of a stealth fighter or bomber ever shot down.

www.historyandheadlines.com

March 27, 1999: The Only Time A Stealth Warplane was Shot Down​

 

[whitehall]

A F-35 can destroy a Chinese drone in seconds.

 

[WorldWatcher]

A F-35 can destroy a Chinese drone in seconds.

How many?

WW

 

[Zavulon]

The US had a stealth plane shot down, and learned the hard way that the bombay doors need to open inward.

March 27, 1999: The Only Time A Stealth Warplane was Shot Down - History and Headlines

On March 27, 1999, Lieutenant Colonel Dale Zelko of the US Air Force became the first pilot of a stealth fighter or bomber ever shot down.

www.historyandheadlines.com

March 27, 1999: The Only Time A Stealth Warplane was Shot Down​

Yep. The best way to prevent shooting your airplanes down is not to allow them participate in wars. As well as Russian generals don't allow Su-57's cross the front line and allow only to launch missiles from the long range.
Send some F-22 in Ukraine (or Taiwan), and you'll see is it that difficult to shoot them down.

 

[Zavulon]

A F-35 can destroy a Chinese drone in seconds.

If F-35 has AWACS support and the Chinese drone has not.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Ukraine

The rotors on a helicopters are very vulnerable

So, you have one that may or may not have caused a helo to crash? How does the drone find the helo? Just lucky?

You know so little about warfare that it is hilarious!

 

[rightwinger]

kyzr

So, you have one that may or may not have caused a helo to crash? How does the drone find the helo? Just lucky?

You know so little about warfare that it is hilarious!

Drones can find helos by being deployed in areas subject to helicopter attacks. In Elon Musks scenario, swarms of drones are used to attack a target.
Low priced kamikaze drones can be sent up en mass to attack incoming helicopters.

The tail rotor is especially vulnerable

 

[Vrenn]

If the discussion is air-to-air engagement.

If the drone can even find the F-35, then it becomes a numbers game.

The F-35 can only carry a limited number of missiles in it's internal bays (IIRC it's like 4 or 6).

So while you are correct in that the F-35 will be able to engage and destory a single drone at range. What does it do when that engagement is with 20 drones per F-35? (Remember drones are supposed to be significantly cheaper, meaning the ability to field more.)

WW

The drone doesn't have any options but the F-35 has many including putting a bit of distance between itself and the drones allowing time for a whole bunch of F-16s to get into the area. Missiles would not be used. It would be guns only which the drone has zero defense against it.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The drone doesn't have any options but the F-35 has many including putting a bit of distance between itself and the drones allowing time for a whole bunch of F-16s to get into the area. Missiles would not be used. It would be guns only which the drone has zero defense against it.

The F-35B (Marines) and F-35C (Navy) - dont have internal guns.

The F-35A (Air Force) has the GAU-22/A (with 180 rounds) firing 3,300 rounds per minutes with a maximum useful effective range of about 12,000 feet (4,000 yards). That's 55 rounds a second meaning the F-35A has about 3.3 seconds of ammunition. The GAU doesn't fire single shots, it's a burst mode gatling gun. So its not 1 round per target, You are talking - MAYBE - 6 to 10 "taps" on the firing trigger hoping to spit out 50 rounds or less. Think more long the lines of something like shotgun where you spit out multiple projectials.

This isnt' like what you see in the movies where pilots hold down the trigger and steer a stream of bullets based on tracers into a target like a laser. The F-35 GAU is intended for very close in combat and provides for only limited engagement.

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[Zavulon]

The drone doesn't have any options but the F-35 has many including putting a bit of distance between itself and the drones allowing time for a whole bunch of F-16s to get into the area. Missiles would not be used. It would be guns only which the drone has zero defense against it.

It depends basically on the type of drone. Say, S-70 has both long-range missiles and N036 Bielka radar. And if you have, say, ten F-35s without AWACS vs five S-70s with one WZ-9 - Lightnings are, quite likely, dead meat.

 

[Vrenn]

It depends basically on the type of drone. Say, S-70 has both long-range missiles and N036 Bielka radar. And if you have, say, ten F-35s without AWACS vs five S-70s with one WZ-9 - Lightnings are, quite likely, dead meat.

You are just gumming your jaws on this one. The WZ will need to be within 14 miles of the F-35. But the F-35A will see them at over 100 miles and will be able to get a little closer and fry the Radar of the WZ. Hate to break it to you but the F-35A and C are used as AWACS as well by other aircraft. The drones will lose to the 4 gen fighters the F-35 will direct in. Hell, they might even vector in A-10Cs.

 

[WorldWatcher]

You are just gumming your jaws on this one. The WZ will need to be within 14 miles of the F-35. But the F-35A will see them at over 100 miles and will be able to get a little closer and fry the Radar of the WZ. Hate to break it to you but the F-35A and C are used as AWACS as well by other aircraft. The drones will lose to the 4 gen fighters the F-35 will direct in. Hell, they might even vector in A-10Cs.

The F-35 isn't a jamming platform. It can't "fry" radar at a 100 miles.

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[Vrenn]

The F-35 isn't a jamming platform. It can't "fry" radar at a 100 miles.

WW

31 Pilots Told Us What They Really Think About the F-35 Stealth Fighter​

The F-35A’s radar effectively can shut down enemy fighter and surface-to-air radars without those adversaries becoming aware they are being electronically attacked. Coupled with stealth, this jet is all but invisible to enemy radars.

On top of that, normal radar (not AESA) can be overwhelmed at almost 200 miles and fried at more than 100 miles. This includes both ground and air radars.

 

[WorldWatcher]

31 Pilots Told Us What They Really Think About the F-35 Stealth Fighter​

The F-35A’s radar effectively can shut down enemy fighter and surface-to-air radars without those adversaries becoming aware they are being electronically attacked. Coupled with stealth, this jet is all but invisible to enemy radars.

On top of that, normal radar (not AESA) can be overwhelmed at almost 200 miles and fried at more than 100 miles. This includes both ground and air radars.

Spoofing and "frying" radars at 100 miles are two different thing.

You "can't" burn out an enemies RADAR receivers (which is what "fry" means) without them knowing about it.

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