China's military buildup raises concerns in US

[freeandfun1]

China's military buildup raises concerns in US

 

[DKSuddeth]

well, that could explain the urgency the bush administration has for leaving the middle east.....

 

[freeandfun1]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
well, that could explain the urgency the bush administration has for leaving the middle east.....

But is doesn't explain why we would be pulling troops out of Korea. Well, that is, unless we are really putting them in reserve for an expected conflict with China instead of the proclamation that they are being sent to the ME......

China's economy is very close to crashing. The gaining strength of the dollar, combined with corruption within the Chinese gov't is pushing China to the edge. Prices on such commodities as steel have been being sucked up by China and it has caused the prices to sky-rocket. Steel alone has gone from $50 a ton a year ago to about $200 + a ton today all because of China.

If the Chinese economy turns south, expect them to do something drastic.......

JMHO!

 

[DKSuddeth]

that would also account for the heavy push to make china use a fluctuating currency.

what it doesnt take into consideration is that china's labor market will allow for easy offshoring as well and that adds to their revenue

 

[dilloduck]

I'll say it again. Our troops in NK are only a symbolic deterrent and will only be cannon fodder IF NK attacks. If out troops are not there, they are out of harms way for a nuclear counter-attack. Foreigners know how much America values the life of an individual even though the left will point out the exceptions to that claim. You think NK really thinks it will be a cakewalk?? NK is merely a wasteland buffer between them and the "enemy"

 

[freeandfun1]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth what it doesnt take into consideration is that china's labor market will allow for easy offshoring as well and that adds to their revenue

Yes, but the Chinese really do see themselves as being somewhat "superior" so offshoring would mean working for others and I am not sure that in the long run, that is acceptable to the Chinese as a whole.

I travel to Southeast Asia a lot. I recall a conversation I had with some Chinese Malaysians once when we were in a bar right after the spy-plane incident.

They were all upset and saying how it was a travesty (our spying on China), blah, blah, blah.

When I asked them, why do you care, you are Malaysian not Chinese. They all replied, "if China were to go to war tomorrow, I would fight for China". I asked why and they said, "we speak the same language, we are from the same roots and frankly, we are Chinese. We are only here for the money."

Now, this was from Chinese Malaysians whose families had lived in Malaysia for 3 to 4 generations, that carried Malaysian passports and whom HAD NEVER been to China!

 

[Gop guy]

1. CHINA IS COMMUNIST. ONE OF THE ULTIMATE EVILS ON THIS PANET, WE SHOULD HAVE NO RELATIONS WITH THEM AT ALL AND WE WOULDN'T IF WE DIDN'T DESPERATELY NEED THIER CHEAP LABOR.

2. We promised Taiwan we would be there for them. If those bastards think that we will leave them to be destroyed, THEY HAVE ANOTHER THING COMING.

3. WE MUST DO WHATEVER IS NECESSARY TO PROTECT TAIWAN.

4. DO YOU HONESTLY THINK CHINA WILL STOP AT TAIWAN????

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by Gop guy
1. CHINA IS COMMUNIST. ONE OF THE ULTIMATE EVILS ON THIS PANET, WE SHOULD HAVE NO RELATIONS WITH THEM AT ALL AND WE WOULDN'T IF WE DIDN'T DESPERATELY NEED THIER CHEAP LABOR.

2. We promised Taiwan we would be there for them. If those bastards think that we will leave them to be destroyed, THEY HAVE ANOTHER THING COMING.

3. WE MUST DO WHATEVER IS NECESSARY TO PROTECT TAIWAN.

4. DO YOU HONESTLY THINK CHINA WILL STOP AT TAIWAN????

so when are you grabbing a rifle and standing a post?

 

[Gop guy]

Whenever they need me.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by Gop guy
Whenever they need me.

as long as you're willing to back up the wind with action.

 

[waltky]

China spendin' more money on its military...

China defense spending seen rising as territorial rows deepen
Fri Mar 1, 2013 - A series of territorial disputes with its neighbors will ensure China boosts defense spending when it reveals this year's military budget ahead of the annual parliamentary sitting next week, security experts say.

After almost three decades of sharply increased military outlays, an increasingly assertive China now has the firepower to challenge rivals claiming strategically important and resource-rich territory in the East China and South China seas. The Chinese navy, now second in size only to the U.S. fleet in terms of raw numbers, has become a genuine blue-water force and is conducting almost continuous patrols and exercises in these contested waters. Over the past six months, China's stand-off with Japan over a series of rocky islands in the East China Sea known as the Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China has become more acrimonious.

China's first aircraft carrier, which was renovated from an old aircraft carrier that China bought from Ukraine in 1998, is seen docked at Dalian Port, in Dalian, Liaoning province September 22, 2012.

Beijing is also in dispute with the Philippines and Vietnam, as well as Taiwan, Brunei and Malaysia, over territory in the South China Sea. To pay for these deployments and new hardware in the pipeline, most analysts expect that this year's budget will continue the long-term trend of double-digit percentage increases in annual spending. "Estimates are still for steady growth," said Ni Lexiong, a military expert at Shanghai University of Political Science and Law. "With China's current attitude, it's not going to let itself get bullied by anyone."

Alongside missions to assert sovereignty over disputed territory, the Chinese navy is also deploying naval flotillas to the Gulf of Aden and waters off Somalia as part of its contribution to UN-authorized anti-piracy operations in the Indian Ocean. Beijing last month announced the departure of the 14th of these missions since December 2008. These high-tempo operations are a sharp departure for a military that was largely confined to exercises and training within China's land borders and coastal waters until recent years. But they impose a new burden on a budget that had largely been devoted to the rapid modernization of military hardware including big orders for new warships, submarines, strike aircraft and missiles.

Beijing last year announced a 11.2 per cent increase in military spending to $106 billion. However foreign military analysts say much of China's military spending is not included in the published budget. The Pentagon last year estimated that Beijing's real outlays for 2012 would be between $120 billion and $180 billion. China's spending is now second only to the United States although the Pentagon is bracing for a sharp drop in outlays as part of government-wide budget cuts, known as a sequester, starting from March 1.

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[Samson]

China spendin' more money on its military...

China defense spending seen rising as territorial rows deepen
Fri Mar 1, 2013 - A series of territorial disputes with its neighbors will ensure China boosts defense spending when it reveals this year's military budget ahead of the annual parliamentary sitting next week, security experts say.

In another decade are you going to resurrect this thread to warn us again when the big bad Chinese Navy has a second aircraft carrier?

 

[Franticfrank]

I think the US has real cause for concern, given the Chinese military buildup. Sure, some have said the economy in China is close to crashing but this hasn't happened. Comparing the two, I'd say the US economy is closer to falling apart. Look at statistics on how much military expenditure has increased in China over the past 20 years. It's unbelievable.

They are producing scores of new J-10 fighters while the US is struggling with older F-16s and F-15s. They've also shown off two new stealth fighter designs. We should hope the US succeeds with the F-35 project or the balance of power in the air will almost certainly shift towards China.

 

[editec]

China can afford to build up its military because the USA has funded it throught FREE TRADE.

Both PARTIES support FREE TRADE.

 

[JoeB131]

Ahhh, the old Frantic "Them foreigners are out to get us" bit.

Let's get real. China has 1 Aircraft Carrier... We have 12.

The Chinese Military since the Communists took over (are they still in charge?) has taken arms all of three times. Korea in 1951, India in 1962 and Vietnam in 1979.

The ironic thing was, the war against Vietnam was such a Fiasco for China that they don't even talk about it.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

China can afford to build up its military because the USA has funded it throught FREE TRADE.

Both PARTIES support FREE TRADE.

That seems unlikely since the U.S. doesn't practice free trade.

 

[Samson]

China can afford to build up its military because the USA has funded it throught FREE TRADE.

Both PARTIES support FREE TRADE.

That seems unlikely since the U.S. doesn't practice free trade.

The important thing is to divert topicality in a 10 year old thread.

Bravo.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

China can afford to build up its military because the USA has funded it throught FREE TRADE.

Both PARTIES support FREE TRADE.

That seems unlikely since the U.S. doesn't practice free trade.

The important thing is to divert topicality in a 10 year old thread.

Bravo.

The post I responded to wasn't 10 years old.

 

[Ame®icano]

China spendin' more money on its military...

China defense spending seen rising as territorial rows deepen
Fri Mar 1, 2013 - A series of territorial disputes with its neighbors will ensure China boosts defense spending when it reveals this year's military budget ahead of the annual parliamentary sitting next week, security experts say.

In another decade are you going to resurrect this thread to warn us again when the big bad Chinese Navy has a second aircraft carrier?

They probably already using reverse engineering and making copies of this one. Thats what they did with MiG's ans Sukhoi's.

 

[Samson]

That seems unlikely since the U.S. doesn't practice free trade.

The important thing is to divert topicality in a 10 year old thread.

Bravo.

The post I responded to wasn't 10 years old.

No like I said THE THREAD is 10 years old.

Your post is off topic.