China's military buildup raises concerns in US

[Samson]

China spendin' more money on its military...

China defense spending seen rising as territorial rows deepen
Fri Mar 1, 2013 - A series of territorial disputes with its neighbors will ensure China boosts defense spending when it reveals this year's military budget ahead of the annual parliamentary sitting next week, security experts say.

In another decade are you going to resurrect this thread to warn us again when the big bad Chinese Navy has a second aircraft carrier?

They probably already using reverse engineering and making copies of this one. Thats what they did with MiG's ans Sukhoi's.

More power to them!

How many guided missles will we need to take our those air craft carriers?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The important thing is to divert topicality in a 10 year old thread.

Bravo.

The post I responded to wasn't 10 years old.

No like I said THE THREAD is 10 years old.

Your post is off topic.

My point can essentially be boiled down to: So what?

 

[Samson]

The post I responded to wasn't 10 years old.

No like I said THE THREAD is 10 years old.

Your post is off topic.

My point can essentially be boiled down to: So what?

Nothing more than eroding your credability.

A. Do you actually know anything about the topic, or
B. did you just show up to throw a bomb of irrelevancy.

I'm guessing B.

 

[Unkotare]

In another decade are you going to resurrect this thread to warn us again when the big bad Chinese Navy has a second aircraft carrier?

They probably already using reverse engineering and making copies of this one. Thats what they did with MiG's ans Sukhoi's.

More power to them!

Why the hell would you say that?

 

[SteadyMercury]

They are producing scores of new J-10 fighters while the US is struggling with older F-16s and F-15s. They've also shown off two new stealth fighter designs.

Seriously J10? China's J10 is basically them graduating from fighters based on 1960s designs to 1980s, many claim it is based on a copy of the IAI Lavi that Israel was producing in the mid 80s. It is probably the equal of an F-16, except being flown by someone with less training.

Sure the F-15 is an older plan at this point but I'm pretty sure one has never been shot down in air-to-air combat, it might be a stretch to call that struggling. We also have almost 200 F-22s that are our top of the line fighter, their capabilities far exceed anything China can produce.

We should hope the US succeeds with the F-35 project or the balance of power in the air will almost certainly shift towards China.

Nonsense.

The US Military is still decades ahead of China in military technology, the F-35 certainly isn't something we have to pin our hopes on to maintain that advantage.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

No like I said THE THREAD is 10 years old.

Your post is off topic.

My point can essentially be boiled down to: So what?

Nothing more than eroding your credability.

A. Do you actually know anything about the topic, or
B. did you just show up to throw a bomb of irrelevancy.

I'm guessing B.

Only if you think responding directly to what somebody else in the thread said is irrelevant, and I'm not particularly concerned with how you perceive my "credability."

 

[Samson]

My point can essentially be boiled down to: So what?

Nothing more than eroding your credability.

A. Do you actually know anything about the topic, or
B. did you just show up to throw a bomb of irrelevancy.

I'm guessing B.

Only if you think responding directly to what somebody else in the thread said is irrelevant, and I'm not particularly concerned with how you perceive my "credability."

Yep, you don't know shit about the topic.


Next.

 

[Samson]

They are producing scores of new J-10 fighters while the US is struggling with older F-16s and F-15s. They've also shown off two new stealth fighter designs.

Seriously J10? China's J10 is basically them graduating from fighters based on 1960s designs to 1980s, many claim it is based on a copy of the IAI Lavi that Israel was producing in the mid 80s. It is probably the equal of an F-16, except being flown by someone with less training.

Sure the F-15 is an older plan at this point but I'm pretty sure one has never been shot down in air-to-air combat, it might be a stretch to call that struggling. We also have almost 200 F-22s that are our top of the line fighter, their capabilities far exceed anything China can produce.

We should hope the US succeeds with the F-35 project or the balance of power in the air will almost certainly shift towards China.

Nonsense.

The US Military is still decades ahead of China in military technology, the F-35 certainly isn't something we have to pin our hopes on to maintain that advantage.

Very well put.

But regardless of the US military preparedness, what could possibly motivate the Chinese to expand their military? At one time, I suppose Russia may have been a threat, but what else on their border, much less on their seas, would possibly warrent a larger military presence?

Unless they're copying not only aircraft carriers, but also the USA's military-industrial complex.

 

[SteadyMercury]

I'd guess it is driven by economic expansion and the associated resources that help feed it. Almost all the China flash points these days seem to be centered around areas where resources are in dispute.

 

[Samson]

I'd guess it is driven by economic expansion and the associated resources that help feed it. Almost all the China flash points these days seem to be centered around areas where resources are in dispute.

Why don't they simply continue to buy resources?

What are they having trouble finding?

 

[Katzndogz]

Military build up in China should not concern us. They couldn't possibly be worse than democrats.

 

[SteadyMercury]

They couldn't possibly be worse than democrats.

God that must suck to live life thinking along such polarized political lines.

 

[Unkotare]

But regardless of the US military preparedness, what could possibly motivate the Chinese to expand their military? .

I hope you are not seriously perplexed by the fact.

 

[Unkotare]

It's amazing how naive and ignorant some people here seem to be.

 

[waltky]

Chinese got missile submarines...

US expert issues warning over new missile submarines
Thu, Jul 25, 2013 - Taiwan should be “very concerned” by reports that China’s navy will soon begin the first sea patrols of a new class of strategic missile submarines, a US military expert said on Tuesday.

“While these missiles may not be aimed at Taiwan per se, they are aimed at America’s capacity to resist Chinese aggression against Taiwan,” International Assessment and Strategy Center senior fellow Richard Fisher said. He was responding to questions from the Taipei Times following publication by the Washington Times this week of a report that US defense officials believe Beijing will begin the first sea patrols of three new Type 094 missile submarines next year. The subs will carry the new JL-2 ballistic missile, which is thought to be equipped with multiple warheads capable of hitting the US.

Pentagon sources say the JL-2 poses a “potential first strike” nuclear missile threat to the US. “Even with their initial deployment of three nuclear missile submarines, if patrols can be maintained off the eastern coast of North Korea, then China would have the option of launching a first strike that could reach America’s main nuclear missile submarine base at Kitsap Naval Base near Seattle,” Fisher said. He added the emergence of China’s nuclear missile submarine fleet would make the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) far more desirous of conquering Taiwan.

According to Fisher, Taiwan’s eastern coast has immediate access to some of the deepest waters of the Pacific and would present the most ideal patrol areas for China to defend its submarines, compared with bases in the South China Sea. “Should it ever fall to Chinese control, I would expect that Taiwan would become a major PLA nuclear forces base — for nuclear missile submarines, bombers and for land-based missiles,” said Fisher, an expert on Chinese military affairs. He said this would be done not just to take advantage of Taiwan’s key geostrategic position in Asia, but also to ensure that the “problem” of Taiwan’s politically “unreliable” population becomes “solved” by potential nuclear retaliation against PLA nuclear forces in Taiwan.

The Washington Times quoted a US defense official familiar with recent intelligence assessments as saying that the US was anticipating combat patrols of Chinese submarines carrying the new JL-2 missile to begin next year. The patrols will be the first time China conducts submarine operations involving nuclear-tipped missiles far from its shores, despite having had a small missile submarine force since the late 1980s, the Washington Times said.

Fisher said that all of this points to the necessity for Taiwan to build a “far more robust” capability to independently deter Chinese attack. “It will also require that Taiwan have far better defense relationships with its neighbors Japan and the Philippines, in order to develop the means for overlapping and redundant early warning and surveillance,” Fisher said. “This alone has tremendous potential to increase deterrence in the Taiwan Strait,” he said. Fisher said that if the PLA knows that it will have to attack Japan and the Philippines in order to deny Taiwan the information it needs to defend itself, then China “is much less likely to attack Taiwan in the first place.”

US expert issues warning over new missile submarines - Taipei Times

 

[Osomir]

You bumped a 9 year old thread just for that?

 

[editec]

China's increase military power comes DIRECTLY from its growing economy might.

And that healthier national economy has everything to do with US and WESTERN POWER trade polices, kiddies.

 

[waltky]

China Ups Military Spending...

China to Ramp Up Military Spending
FEBRUARY 3, 2014, China already spends more on its military than any country in the world except the United States. Now, as defense budgets at the Pentagon and in many NATO countries shrink, China’s People’s Liberation Army is gearing up for a surge in new funding, according to a new report.

China will spend $148 billion on its military this year, up from $139.2 billion in 2013, according to IHS Jane’s, a defense industry consulting and analysis company. The United States spends far more – a forecast $574.9 billion this year – but that is down from $664.3 billion in 2012 after budget cuts slashed spending. By next year China will spend more on defense than Britain, Germany and France combined, according to IHS. By 2024, it will spend more than all of Western Europe, it estimates. The surge in weapons spending by Beijing – military outlays this year are set to be a third higher than in 2009 – has come in tandem with an escalation in tensions with its neighbors over longstanding territorial disputes. Vietnam and the Philippines have overlapping claims with China to islands and shoals in the South China Sea. Japan and China have been at loggerheads over uninhabited islands in the East China Sea.

Chinese sailors stand at attention on the deck of the aircraft carrier Liaoning in the northeastern port of Dalian.

The extra spending has bought some flashy hardware. In 2012 China commissioned its first aircraft carrier – the Liaoning – built from the hull of an uncompleted ship ordered by the Soviet navy in the 1980s. In 2011 a Chinese-made aircraft with stealth radar-evading capabilities flew on a test flight as Robert M. Gates, then the United States defense secretary, was in Beijing on an official visit. Yet the Chinese military – controlled by the ruling Communist Party, not the government – has been plagued by corruption scandals that may sap its fighting effectiveness. Seven decades ago, Gen. Joseph W. Stilwell of the United States was frustrated by corrupt Chinese generals who were often more interested in lining their pockets than fighting the Japanese. Last month the Chinese magazine Caixin detailed allegations about the extravagant lifestyle of Lt. Gen. Gu Junshan, a deputy head of the People’s Liberation Army’s General Logistics Department. Among the items confiscated from his villa complex were a gold washbasin and a gold statue of Mao Zedong, Caixin reported. General Gu also allegedly owned 10 homes in central Beijing, where apartment prices regularly top $1 million.

One military analyst, Ian Easton of the Project 2049 Institute in Arlington, Virginia, believes that China’s military is far less capable than its large military budget would suggest. Last month he wrote that the P.L.A. probably wouldn’t be able to effectively attack Taiwan – the prosperous, self-ruled island claimed by the mainland. In addition, Chinese troops lack real combat experience and some of the P.L.A.’s marquee projects, including the aircraft carrier, are plagued by technical problems.

Chinese pilots are using the Liaoning – its overhaul easy to monitor over the years from the fire escape at an Ikea furniture store in the northeastern Chinese port of Dalian – as a training platform to learn aircraft carrier operations. The United States Navy, which has had aircraft carriers in its fleet since before World War II, currently has 10 active nuclear-powered carriers, all larger than the Liaoning. China is set to release its military spending for 2013 and its forecast for this year at the annual session of the National People’s Congress next month in Beijing. The IHS figures may differ from official figures because they take into account items including research and development spending and pension costs that may not be reflected in China’s own estimates.

http://sinosphere.blogs.nytimes.com...military-spending/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

 

[waltky]

Uncle Ferd says China gettin' ready to take over the world...

Pentagon: China’s military budget continues rapid rise amid tensions
June 5, 2014 ~ China’s military budget rose to more than $145 billion last year, as the country continues to build more advanced weapons that could target U.S. forces, the Pentagon said in its annual report to Congress on security developments involving China.

China’s military budget rose to more than $145 billion last year, as the country continues to build more advanced weapons that could target U.S. forces, the Pentagon said in its annual report to Congress on security developments involving China. The unclassified version of the report, released Thursday, noted that China’s official defense budget rose 5.7 percent to $119.5 billion last year. But once defense-related spending that isn’t part of the official military budget is taken into account, the Pentagon estimates that the actual amount is north of $145 billion. “China has the fiscal strength and political will to support defense spending growth at comparable levels for the foreseeable future,” the report states.

U.S. Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel, right, and Chinese People's Liberation Army Gen. Chang Wanquan, the Chinese minister of defense, watch a pass in review during an honors ceremony April 8, 2014, in Beijing.

In comparison, the Pentagon’s base budget in Fiscal 2013 was $496 billion. However, once you factor in defense-related spending on things such as the war in Afghanistan, nuclear weapons-related activities conducted by the Department of Energy, and the Department of Homeland Security, that number climbs to well over $600 billion. Much of the report echoed what was stated in last year’s China assessment. Highlights include:

* Preparing for potential conflict in the Taiwan Strait remains “the focus and primary driver of China’s military modernization program,” but steadily increasing tensions in the East China and South China Seas, along with growing interests and influence abroad, have caused “a substantial uptick in the PLA’s preparations for a range of missions beyond China’s immediate periphery.”
* The People’s Liberation Army is investing heavily in its ground force, emphasizing the ability to deploy campaign-level forces across long distances quickly. It is also developing a more rapid, flexible special operations force equipped with advanced technology.
*The PLA Air Force is “pursuing modernization on a scale unprecedented in its history and is rapidly closing the gap with Western air forces across a broad spectrum of capabilities.” China’s first fifth-generation fighter, the multi-role J-20, could enter service as early as 2018.

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[Moonglow]

Looks like Red Dawn will need to be remade and the Chinese can be the bad guys...