China Training For War With Japan

[TheTruthMaster]

Let me tell you something.

When you have a weak incapable indecisive President such as Obum-uh, conflicts like these are going to be very common.

 

[Indofred]

Let me tell you something.

When you have a weak incapable indecisive President such as Obum-uh, conflicts like these are going to be very common.

Yes, this is so much worse than a strong president like Bush starting illegal wars that killed thousands of Americans.
This is between the countries concerned but, sadly, the American arms industry pulls the strings and war means great business.
America would get dragged in again, all for your arms industry's profits.

 

[rightwinger]

The Chinese military has fundamentally changed its strategy in just the last year or so....... recent writings by PLA officers indicate “a growing confidence within the PLA that they can prevent U.S. involvement if they attack Taiwan or Japan" and it now appears they are more apt to attack Japan....they have not forgotten what Japan did to them....the desire for revenge is very strong.

Beijing believes it can attack Taiwan or another neighbor while also bloodlessly deterring U.S. intervention. It would do so by deploying such overwhelmingly strong military forces—ballistic missiles, aircraft carriers, jet fighters and the like—that Washington dare not get involved.

As one Chinese General bluntly put it..."would America sacrifice Los Angeles in order to defend Taiwan" and recent American actions gives them many reasons to think it would not ....aka Somalia, Afghanistan and Iraq. The well known American reluctance to take casualties is having a major influence on Chinese Planning.

In spite of planning for over 60 years, China is incapable of invading Taiwan a mere 90 miles away. They lack the Naval strength to traverse the straight without being wiped out by missiles, aircraft and submarines.
An attack on Japan would be impossible

Anytime China decided to attack Taiwan she could. She would also suffer tremendous losses but when you have a billion people that's not a issue. The reason why China hasn't bothered is because they have been quietly converting the people over to their side for a long time. In the next 20 years or so Taiwan will beg to be let back into the fold.

Japan, on the other hand is a different challenge. That's why China has been developing a blue water navy. She has been waiting for a weak POTUS, like the one in office, so that if they decide to act...we won't.

They are weighing the pro's and cons of an attack to take the islands right now. How much western money will they lose if they decide to go. Is it worth the financial hit to do it. When those numbers pencil out, they'll move, and ain't no one going to stop them.

Ever see the landing at Normandy? It took 1000 ships and complete air superiority. China has neither. They might have a million man army, but unless they march them into the sea they will not make it

 

[TheTruthMaster]

Let me tell you something.

When you have a weak incapable indecisive President such as Obum-uh, conflicts like these are going to be very common.

Yes, this is so much worse than a strong president like Bush starting illegal wars that killed thousands of Americans.
This is between the countries concerned but, sadly, the American arms industry pulls the strings and war means great business.
America would get dragged in again, all for your arms industry's profits.

I do openly admit that the Iraq war was a flop and failure. There were no weapons of mass destruction found. But think about it, if we were to let Saddam live, it's just a matter of time before he starts issuing orders to attack other countries like what he did to Kuwait in the early 90s. And you will get the whole region (Mid East) be in turmoil.

 

[Sawbriars]

In spite of planning for over 60 years, China is incapable of invading Taiwan a mere 90 miles away. They lack the Naval strength to traverse the straight without being wiped out by missiles, aircraft and submarines.
An attack on Japan would be impossible

Anytime China decided to attack Taiwan she could. She would also suffer tremendous losses but when you have a billion people that's not a issue. The reason why China hasn't bothered is because they have been quietly converting the people over to their side for a long time. In the next 20 years or so Taiwan will beg to be let back into the fold.

Japan, on the other hand is a different challenge. That's why China has been developing a blue water navy. She has been waiting for a weak POTUS, like the one in office, so that if they decide to act...we won't.

They are weighing the pro's and cons of an attack to take the islands right now. How much western money will they lose if they decide to go. Is it worth the financial hit to do it. When those numbers pencil out, they'll move, and ain't no one going to stop them.

Ever see the landing at Normandy? It took 1000 ships and complete air superiority. China has neither. They might have a million man army, but unless they march them into the sea they will not make it

I do not think China has any plans for a massive invasion regarding either Taiwan or the mainland of Japan in the foreseeable future....what I do see them preparing to do and sometime before the end of Obama's term is a takeover of some small island claimed by Japan...it will be however a huge symbolic victory with huge ramifications for the future.

 

[rightwinger]

Anytime China decided to attack Taiwan she could. She would also suffer tremendous losses but when you have a billion people that's not a issue. The reason why China hasn't bothered is because they have been quietly converting the people over to their side for a long time. In the next 20 years or so Taiwan will beg to be let back into the fold.

Japan, on the other hand is a different challenge. That's why China has been developing a blue water navy. She has been waiting for a weak POTUS, like the one in office, so that if they decide to act...we won't.

They are weighing the pro's and cons of an attack to take the islands right now. How much western money will they lose if they decide to go. Is it worth the financial hit to do it. When those numbers pencil out, they'll move, and ain't no one going to stop them.

Ever see the landing at Normandy? It took 1000 ships and complete air superiority. China has neither. They might have a million man army, but unless they march them into the sea they will not make it

I do not think China has any plans for a massive invasion regarding either Taiwan or the mainland of Japan in the foreseeable future....what I do see them preparing to do and sometime before the end of Obama's term is a takeover of some small island claimed by Japan...it will be however a huge symbolic victory with huge ramifications for the future.

What ramifications ?

 

[Sawbriars]

Another big factor in all of this of course is what will Japan do?...and particuarly will they feel the need to .....or be forced to go Nuclear?

I read a report once saying Japan may already have a few nuclear weapons and even if they do not...they could get them very quickly.

I kinda believe they have them already but they are not fully assembled...thus allowing them deniability...they could probably be assembled in a couple of hours or less....and they no doubt also have the means to deliver them and have pre-selected targets in China.

China of course with their incredible intelligence network no doubt is fully aware of this....thus their very calculated and extremely cautious approach to asserting their power and dominance in the region...very incrementally ...the strategy being to make small gains based on the reluctance of Japan and America to initiate any military response whatsoever...even of a very limited nature.

There is however always the chance of a miscalculation....Japan might suprise them...Japan is no one's fool..........even Obama might suprise them and everybody else.....no gurantees in these high stakes global strategic ploys.

 

[Sawbriars]

Ever see the landing at Normandy? It took 1000 ships and complete air superiority. China has neither. They might have a million man army, but unless they march them into the sea they will not make it

I do not think China has any plans for a massive invasion regarding either Taiwan or the mainland of Japan in the foreseeable future....what I do see them preparing to do and sometime before the end of Obama's term is a takeover of some small island claimed by Japan...it will be however a huge symbolic victory with huge ramifications for the future.

What ramifications ?

It would give a huge boost to the influence of the hard line Chinese Generals to begin with.

Even moderate Chinese political leaders could not help to see the significance of a reluctance aka failure of the U.S. and Japan to stand up to Chincese provocation....ever hear of Munich?

When dictators or any totolatarian government like China's see such weakness on the part of it's enemies ...it encourages them to engage in even stronger military adventures....to the point where a real war cannot be avoided aka....Germany's invasion of Poland.

 

[rightwinger]

I do not think China has any plans for a massive invasion regarding either Taiwan or the mainland of Japan in the foreseeable future....what I do see them preparing to do and sometime before the end of Obama's term is a takeover of some small island claimed by Japan...it will be however a huge symbolic victory with huge ramifications for the future.

What ramifications ?

It would give a huge boost to the influence of the hard line Chinese Generals to begin with.

Even moderate Chinese political leaders could not help to see the significance of a reluctance aka failure of the U.S. and Japan to stand up to Chincese provocation....ever hear of Munich?

When dictators or any totolatarian government like China's see such weakness on the part of it's enemies ...it encourages them to engage in even stronger military adventures....to the point where a real war cannot be avoided aka....Germany's invasion of Poland.

Now you are going silly on us

China is sabre rattling. Makes them feel good and gives them the sense of a global presence.
But the capitalists will win out over the militarists. They always do
China needs trading partners in Japan, S Korea, the US and EU
They will not do anything to provoke an economic retalliation

 

[Unkotare]

The Chinese military has fundamentally changed its strategy in just the last year or so....... recent writings by PLA officers indicate “a growing confidence within the PLA that they can prevent U.S. involvement if they attack Taiwan or Japan" and it now appears they are more apt to attack Japan....they have not forgotten what Japan did to them....the desire for revenge is very strong.

Beijing believes it can attack Taiwan or another neighbor while also bloodlessly deterring U.S. intervention. It would do so by deploying such overwhelmingly strong military forces—ballistic missiles, aircraft carriers, jet fighters and the like—that Washington dare not get involved.

As one Chinese General bluntly put it..."would America sacrifice Los Angeles in order to defend Taiwan" and recent American actions gives them many reasons to think it would not ....aka Somalia, Afghanistan and Iraq. The well known American reluctance to take casualties is having a major influence on Chinese Planning.

In spite of planning for over 60 years, China is incapable of invading Taiwan a mere 90 miles away. They lack the Naval strength to traverse the straight without being wiped out by missiles, aircraft and submarines.
An attack on Japan would be impossible

Anytime China decided to attack Taiwan she could. She would also suffer tremendous losses but when you have a billion people that's not a issue. The reason why China hasn't bothered is because they have been quietly converting the people over to their side for a long time. In the next 20 years or so Taiwan will beg to be let back into the fold.

Japan, on the other hand is a different challenge. That's why China has been developing a blue water navy. She has been waiting for a weak POTUS, like the one in office, so that if they decide to act...we won't.

They are weighing the pro's and cons of an attack to take the islands right now. How much western money will they lose if they decide to go. Is it worth the financial hit to do it. When those numbers pencil out, they'll move, and ain't no one going to stop them.

Losses are still an issue even if you have a population of 1.3 billion. Losses are very much an issue when you are still in the process of building up your military strength.

As for Japan, by the time China is strong enough to really consider doing so, obama will be out of office. Hopefully, the American people will vote more carefully next time.

 

[Moonglow]

Obama should come out and say if someone attack's Japan they attack America too.

That would silence half of his detractors and be the most badass thing he's done in his presidency. Sadly, there's no way that'll happen

They already have..

 

[Unkotare]

.....they desperately need more territory for their huge and growing population....

No, they don't. What they want is to control shipping lanes, regional trade, and access to resources.

 

[Unkotare]

This is between the countries concerned ...

America is one of the countries concerned, flea.

 

[Unkotare]

...the strategy being to make small gains based on the reluctance of Japan and America to initiate any military response whatsoever...even of a very limited nature. ...

Abe has expressed no such reluctance.

 

[Sawbriars]

.....they desperately need more territory for their huge and growing population....

No, they don't. What they want is to control shipping lanes, regional trade, and access to resources.

They want much more than that...they have territorial claims on 20 of it's neighbors and of course they took over Tibet. Just recently they seized some Philippine territory and the U.S. did nothing.

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[Sawbriars]

Looks like my link above got hijacked....let me try again..........UPDATE: China Will Trade Debt for US Land? | Pumas Unleashed

 

[Sawbriars]

China wants and needs more farm land>>>>Why China Wants (and Needs) Foreign Farm Land ? News Watch

 

[Unkotare]

.....they desperately need more territory for their huge and growing population....

No, they don't. What they want is to control shipping lanes, regional trade, and access to resources.

They want much more than that...they have territorial claims on 20 of it's neighbors and of course they took over Tibet. Just recently they seized some Philippine territory and the U.S. did nothing.

Those are disputes over where borders should be drawn, not acquisitions of land for a "growing population" (which it turns out is not their long-term problem).

 

[Indeependent]

Looks like my link above got hijacked....let me try again..........UPDATE: China Will Trade Debt for US Land? | Pumas Unleashed

There are lots of highways, tunnels and bridges that are owned by foreign nations.

 

[rightwinger]

Why would China want to attack Japan?

They are a valuable trade partner