China Training For War With Japan

[Sawbriars]

Many indicators that China is preparing for some sort of limited conflict with Japan...expect this before Obama ends his term...the Chinese know Obama is too weak to do anything about it.


Navy Official: China Training for 'Short Sharp War' with Japan | USNI News

 

[rightwinger]

China will get their butts kicked

Their Navy sucks

 

[g5000]

Saber rattling for political ends.

 

[Sallow]

Many indicators that China is preparing for some sort of limited conflict with Japan...expect this before Obama ends his term...the Chinese know Obama is too weak to do anything about it.


Navy Official: China Training for 'Short Sharp War' with Japan | USNI News

And the Nazis have a moon base.

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[westwall]

This is where the fight will occur,

China ships in disputed waters: Japan coastguard | NDTV.com

and contrary to leftwingers opinion, China has been building a blue water navy for several years now.

“These moves into the 'distant seas' would seem inevitable for a nation as large as China,” he said. “But it goes without saying that this expansion into blue waters is largely about countering the Pacific Fleet.”

China’s Xinhua news agency reported that a PLA Navy destroyer and two frigates exercising in the Western Pacific earlier this year were practicing maritime confrontation, open-sea mobile combat, law enforcement and open-sea naval commanding.

“Make no mistake, the PLA Navy is focused on war at sea and about sinking an opposing fleet,” Fanell said.

There is evidence that the PLA Navy has ambitions even beyond the Pacific.

Van Tol said China sent a frigate through the Suez Canal in 2011 to evacuate citizens during unrest in Libia, and Chinese ships have participated in anti-piracy efforts off the coast of Somalia."




China's naval aspirations: A 'blue-water' force - Stripes - Independent U.S. military news from Iraq, Afghanistan and bases worldwide

 

[JakeStarkey]

China, once again, will get its naval and air butts kicked.

Since no one is going to invade China, there is no problem.

 

[rightwinger]

This is where the fight will occur,

China ships in disputed waters: Japan coastguard | NDTV.com

and contrary to leftwingers opinion, China has been building a blue water navy for several years now.

“These moves into the 'distant seas' would seem inevitable for a nation as large as China,” he said. “But it goes without saying that this expansion into blue waters is largely about countering the Pacific Fleet.”

China’s Xinhua news agency reported that a PLA Navy destroyer and two frigates exercising in the Western Pacific earlier this year were practicing maritime confrontation, open-sea mobile combat, law enforcement and open-sea naval commanding.

“Make no mistake, the PLA Navy is focused on war at sea and about sinking an opposing fleet,” Fanell said.

There is evidence that the PLA Navy has ambitions even beyond the Pacific.

Van Tol said China sent a frigate through the Suez Canal in 2011 to evacuate citizens during unrest in Libia, and Chinese ships have participated in anti-piracy efforts off the coast of Somalia."




China's naval aspirations: A 'blue-water' force - Stripes - Independent U.S. military news from Iraq, Afghanistan and bases worldwide

We have names for Chinas ships........Targets

 

[westwall]

This is where the fight will occur,

China ships in disputed waters: Japan coastguard | NDTV.com

and contrary to leftwingers opinion, China has been building a blue water navy for several years now.

“These moves into the 'distant seas' would seem inevitable for a nation as large as China,” he said. “But it goes without saying that this expansion into blue waters is largely about countering the Pacific Fleet.”

China’s Xinhua news agency reported that a PLA Navy destroyer and two frigates exercising in the Western Pacific earlier this year were practicing maritime confrontation, open-sea mobile combat, law enforcement and open-sea naval commanding.

“Make no mistake, the PLA Navy is focused on war at sea and about sinking an opposing fleet,” Fanell said.

There is evidence that the PLA Navy has ambitions even beyond the Pacific.

Van Tol said China sent a frigate through the Suez Canal in 2011 to evacuate citizens during unrest in Libia, and Chinese ships have participated in anti-piracy efforts off the coast of Somalia."




China's naval aspirations: A 'blue-water' force - Stripes - Independent U.S. military news from Iraq, Afghanistan and bases worldwide

We have names for Chinas ships........Targets

Yes, if WE decide to shoot, that is correct. However, if Japan is left to fend for herself, she will lose. That was the point of the OP.

 

[rightwinger]

This is where the fight will occur,

China ships in disputed waters: Japan coastguard | NDTV.com

and contrary to leftwingers opinion, China has been building a blue water navy for several years now.

“These moves into the 'distant seas' would seem inevitable for a nation as large as China,” he said. “But it goes without saying that this expansion into blue waters is largely about countering the Pacific Fleet.”

China’s Xinhua news agency reported that a PLA Navy destroyer and two frigates exercising in the Western Pacific earlier this year were practicing maritime confrontation, open-sea mobile combat, law enforcement and open-sea naval commanding.

“Make no mistake, the PLA Navy is focused on war at sea and about sinking an opposing fleet,” Fanell said.

There is evidence that the PLA Navy has ambitions even beyond the Pacific.

Van Tol said China sent a frigate through the Suez Canal in 2011 to evacuate citizens during unrest in Libia, and Chinese ships have participated in anti-piracy efforts off the coast of Somalia."




China's naval aspirations: A 'blue-water' force - Stripes - Independent U.S. military news from Iraq, Afghanistan and bases worldwide

We have names for Chinas ships........Targets

Yes, if WE decide to shoot, that is correct. However, if Japan is left to fend for herself, she will lose. That was the point of the OP.

If China sets her eyes on Japan, they will deal with the US Navy

They would be obliterated

 

[TheOldSchool]

Obama should come out and say if someone attack's Japan they attack America too.

That would silence half of his detractors and be the most badass thing he's done in his presidency. Sadly, there's no way that'll happen

 

[Indeependent]

What if Japan's equipment was made in China?
What is Japan's military was made in China?
What if I don't give a sh!t?

 

[rightwinger]

Obama should come out and say if someone attack's Japan they attack America too.

That would silence half of his detractors and be the most badass thing he's done in his presidency. Sadly, there's no way that'll happen

He doesn't have to say it. It has been US policy for 50 years

 

[TheOldSchool]

What if I don't give a sh!t?

Then 22 of the words you've used in your life were wasted in that post

 

[Sawbriars]

The Chinese military has fundamentally changed its strategy in just the last year or so....... recent writings by PLA officers indicate “a growing confidence within the PLA that they can prevent U.S. involvement if they attack Taiwan or Japan" and it now appears they are more apt to attack Japan....they have not forgotten what Japan did to them....the desire for revenge is very strong.

Beijing believes it can attack Taiwan or another neighbor while also bloodlessly deterring U.S. intervention. It would do so by deploying such overwhelmingly strong military forces—ballistic missiles, aircraft carriers, jet fighters and the like—that Washington dare not get involved.

As one Chinese General bluntly put it..."would America sacrifice Los Angeles in order to defend Taiwan" and recent American actions gives them many reasons to think it would not ....aka Somalia, Afghanistan and Iraq. The well known American reluctance to take casualties is having a major influence on Chinese Planning.

 

[rightwinger]

The Chinese military has fundamentally changed its strategy in just the last year or so....... recent writings by PLA officers indicate “a growing confidence within the PLA that they can prevent U.S. involvement if they attack Taiwan or Japan" and it now appears they are more apt to attack Japan....they have not forgotten what Japan did to them....the desire for revenge is very strong.

Beijing believes it can attack Taiwan or another neighbor while also bloodlessly deterring U.S. intervention. It would do so by deploying such overwhelmingly strong military forces—ballistic missiles, aircraft carriers, jet fighters and the like—that Washington dare not get involved.

As one Chinese General bluntly put it..."would America sacrifice Los Angeles in order to defend Taiwan" and recent American actions gives them many reasons to think it would not ....aka Somalia, Afghanistan and Iraq. The well known American reluctance to take casualties is having a major influence on Chinese Planning.

In spite of planning for over 60 years, China is incapable of invading Taiwan a mere 90 miles away. They lack the Naval strength to traverse the straight without being wiped out by missiles, aircraft and submarines.
An attack on Japan would be impossible

 

[westwall]

The Chinese military has fundamentally changed its strategy in just the last year or so....... recent writings by PLA officers indicate “a growing confidence within the PLA that they can prevent U.S. involvement if they attack Taiwan or Japan" and it now appears they are more apt to attack Japan....they have not forgotten what Japan did to them....the desire for revenge is very strong.

Beijing believes it can attack Taiwan or another neighbor while also bloodlessly deterring U.S. intervention. It would do so by deploying such overwhelmingly strong military forces—ballistic missiles, aircraft carriers, jet fighters and the like—that Washington dare not get involved.

As one Chinese General bluntly put it..."would America sacrifice Los Angeles in order to defend Taiwan" and recent American actions gives them many reasons to think it would not ....aka Somalia, Afghanistan and Iraq. The well known American reluctance to take casualties is having a major influence on Chinese Planning.

In spite of planning for over 60 years, China is incapable of invading Taiwan a mere 90 miles away. They lack the Naval strength to traverse the straight without being wiped out by missiles, aircraft and submarines.
An attack on Japan would be impossible

Anytime China decided to attack Taiwan she could. She would also suffer tremendous losses but when you have a billion people that's not a issue. The reason why China hasn't bothered is because they have been quietly converting the people over to their side for a long time. In the next 20 years or so Taiwan will beg to be let back into the fold.

Japan, on the other hand is a different challenge. That's why China has been developing a blue water navy. She has been waiting for a weak POTUS, like the one in office, so that if they decide to act...we won't.

They are weighing the pro's and cons of an attack to take the islands right now. How much western money will they lose if they decide to go. Is it worth the financial hit to do it. When those numbers pencil out, they'll move, and ain't no one going to stop them.

 

[Sawbriars]

The Chinese military has fundamentally changed its strategy in just the last year or so....... recent writings by PLA officers indicate “a growing confidence within the PLA that they can prevent U.S. involvement if they attack Taiwan or Japan" and it now appears they are more apt to attack Japan....they have not forgotten what Japan did to them....the desire for revenge is very strong.

Beijing believes it can attack Taiwan or another neighbor while also bloodlessly deterring U.S. intervention. It would do so by deploying such overwhelmingly strong military forces—ballistic missiles, aircraft carriers, jet fighters and the like—that Washington dare not get involved.

As one Chinese General bluntly put it..."would America sacrifice Los Angeles in order to defend Taiwan" and recent American actions gives them many reasons to think it would not ....aka Somalia, Afghanistan and Iraq. The well known American reluctance to take casualties is having a major influence on Chinese Planning.

In spite of planning for over 60 years, China is incapable of invading Taiwan a mere 90 miles away. They lack the Naval strength to traverse the straight without being wiped out by missiles, aircraft and submarines.
An attack on Japan would be impossible

Anytime China decided to attack Taiwan she could. She would also suffer tremendous losses but when you have a billion people that's not a issue. The reason why China hasn't bothered is because they have been quietly converting the people over to their side for a long time. In the next 20 years or so Taiwan will beg to be let back into the fold.

Japan, on the other hand is a different challenge. That's why China has been developing a blue water navy. She has been waiting for a weak POTUS, like the one in office, so that if they decide to act...we won't.

They are weighing the pro's and cons of an attack to take the islands right now. How much western money will they lose if they decide to go. Is it worth the financial hit to do it. When those numbers pencil out, they'll move, and ain't no one going to stop them.

Excellent analysis and we must also understand that everyday China is getting stronger aka...spending more and more on their military and all the whilst we are getting weaker...being forced to cut back.

One option I have seen bandied about is for us to concentrate on building cruise missile bases all over the Pacific ...the idea being it would be cheaper to do this than to spend billions upgrading our Pacific fleet to counter the Chinese.

What it might all come down to is a game of poker....aka who is able to bluff the best. I cannot see Obama standing up to a serious challenge from China...I do not think he has the moral courage to deal with such a serious challenge.

China will threaten to go all in and Obama will fold his cards.....this is going to happen and most will be shocked when it does....America will be humiliated and forced to circle the wagons around the CONUS...with all the ramifications that entails.

China is not simply engaging in 'saber rattling' as some believe....they are incrementally setting the stage to demonstsrate to the world their power and their ability to humiliate and curtail America.

Now serious wargamers know that China must either expand or constrict.....they desperately need more territory for their huge and growing population...their military is very hawkish and extremely eager to demonstrate their capabilities......meanwhile America is preoccupied with such things as ball games, gender bending, homosexual marriage, racial problems, economic stupidity, obamacare and a general malaise with most Americans feeling hopeless for the first times in their lives....the American Dream is dead and no one in Washington is willing to make the hard decisions needed to get the USA back on track.

 

[Indeependent]

China will stop supplying the US with toilet paper.
It's the little things that win the war.

 

[Indofred]

This thread has some really amusing posts.

The idiots are moaning about Chinese ships being in disputed waters off China but totally ignore the minor detail, there are American ships in disputed waters off China, that's half a world away from America.

China or Japan may be right on this issue but America is wrong.
Sod all to do with you.

 

[Indeependent]

This thread has some really amusing posts.

The idiots are moaning about Chinese ships being in disputed waters off China but totally ignore the minor detail, there are American ships in disputed waters off China, that's half a world away from America.

China or Japan may be right on this issue but America is wrong.
Sod all to do with you.

Anything for the MNCs.