China spying on us :eek:

[Said1]

China spying on us: CSIS
Visiting students, scientists steal Canadian technology

Robert Fife
CanWest News Service

Wednesday, December 29, 2004

OTTAWA - China's intelligence services have systematically targeted Canada's science and technology sectors and use Chinese students and visiting scientists to steal technology for military use and to enhance the country's global economic competitiveness, a senior intelligence source says.

In its annual report to Parliament, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service warns foreign spies are seeking to acquire ''Canada's scientific and technological developments, critical economic and information infrastructure, military and other classified information, putting at risk Canada's national security.''

CSIS does not cite a specific country, but a high-level intelligence source identifies China as the ''most aggressive'' in seeking to illegally acquire Canadian technology.

The official said CSIS was mainly referring to China in its 2003-04 report when the spy service discussed how ''certain foreign governments direct their departments, state-owned corporations and intelligence services to engage in economic espionage against Canada.''

China uses visiting students, scientists, business people and delegations to obtain industrial secrets and high-technology that will benefit Chinese companies and its military-industrial complex, said the source, who asked not to be identified for national security reasons.

Russian intelligence services have also sought to obtain Canadian technology, which led to the 1996 arrest of two of their agents.

However, the official said China has been the most enterprising in using clandestine or coercive activity to gain access to economic and military intelligence. China has targeted Canada's nuclear, aerospace, biotechnology, mining and metallurgy, environmental and oil and gas sectors.

Beijing's China Defence Science and Technology Information Centre is the key collector of Canadian and foreign technology, and is part of the Chinese military's General Equipment Department (GED).

According to a 2003 Pentagon report, China's GED oversees a ''complex web of factories, institutes and academies that are subordinate to China's nuclear, aeronautics, electronics, ordnance, shipbuilding and astronautics industries.''

''Each of these institutions has an import/export corporation to facilitate the import of technology and knowledge,'' the report added.

Wenxng Zuo of the Chinese embassy in Ottawa strenuously denied yesterday China has engaged in espionage in Canada to gain secrets for economic and military use.

''No, it's not true,'' she said.

Paul Martin is about to embark on a 10-day trip to Asia that includes stops in Beijing and Hong Kong. Jim Peterson, the International Trade Minister, will also lead a trade mission to China at the same time.

The Prime Minister, whose family's shipping company has built ships at low-wage Chinese shipyards, is under pressure from the opposition and some Liberal backbench MPs to reject China's takeover of Noranda, one of Canada's biggest mining firms.

Noranda is in talks to be acquired by China Minmetals Corp, a metals producer controlled by the Chinese government, which wants to buy 100% of the $6.7-billion mining giant.

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[CSM]

Isn't Canadian technology an oxymoron?

J/K

 

[HorhayAtAMD]

Isn't Canadian technology an oxymoron?

J/K

You are thinking of Canadian Armed Forces. Well, technically, they do have arms as well as legs so maybe we should call them the Canadian Armed and Legged Forces!

 

[Said1]

You are thinking of Canadian Armed Forces. Well, technically, they do have arms as well as legs so maybe we should call them the Canadian Armed and Legged Forces!

:cof: We shouldn't trash those guys, they're only as effective as our govenment allows them to be, pitty really.

 

[CSM]

:cof: We shouldn't trash those guys, they're only as effective as our govenment allows them to be, pitty really.

I have worked with the Canadian Army in the past...they have my respect for sure.

 

[Said1]

I have worked with the Canadian Army in the past...they have my respect for sure.

That's what bugs me, it's not the men and women serving, it the government that needs to slapped up side the head for allowing them to walk around like a joke. The way the Canadian media bashes them makes me sick.

 

[HorhayAtAMD]

:cof: We shouldn't trash those guys, they're only as effective as our govenment allows them to be, pitty really.

Yes, my post likely came out harsher than the meaning behind it. I think it is nearly criminal that sports stars make millions of dollars a year while a "mere" soldier putting his life on the line for his country is barely recognized.

Uh oh, wife just came home and I haven't been cleaning. Later!

 

[pllove]

usa also spying on china.

 

[onedomino]

That's what bugs me, it's not the men and women serving, it the government that needs to slapped up side the head for allowing them to walk around like a joke. The way the Canadian media bashes them makes me sick.

Said1, what do you think has happened (changed so profoundly) in the last thirty-five years (or so) that America and Canada are on divergent paths into the future? From what I have read, the internal politics and foreign policy of Canada and America were similar from the end of WW2 through the mid-1960s. Now, they are on different planets from each other. What happened? I am not asking about the political divergence. Something more fundamental is happening. Our cultural navigation systems have set us on a course away from each other. Why are America and Australia on a similar path that is so different from Canada?

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As you know, the Chinese are continuously spying on America. It is thought that they have even obtained nuclear weapon designs. There will be no reduction of Chinese spying on the West. It will increase in the future. Except, the French intend to sell China advanced weaponry, which will make the need to spy a bit less urgent. The Chinese will simply reverse engineer pre-packaged high-tech weapons instead of needing to steal the designs.

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[freeandfun1]

usa also spying on china.

Hey dumbass, the article is about China spying on CANADA. Doh!

 

[Said1]

From what I have read, the internal politics and foreign policy of Canada and America were similar from the end of WW2 through the mid-1960s.

Your dead on, but to narrow it down even further, start at 1968 - in walks Trudeau, and here is where Trudeaumania and hard core socialism really took off in Canada. In case you didn't know, Trudeau was one of the biggest socialist/communist this country has ever seen, he's a national hero for many. Chretien was one of last 'good old boys' from that era, glad he's gone! (This is only my opinion, if anyone has anything to add, please do.)

Something more fundamental is happening. Our cultural navigation systems have set us on a course away from each other.

Socialism again.

Why are America and Australia on a similar path that is so different from Canada?

Isn't their present government conservative? I'm not up to date on Austrailian politics or culture.

 

[freeandfun1]

Isn't their [Australia's] present government conservative? I'm not up to date on Australian politics or culture.

Yes, VERY and he is loved by a lot of Aussies.

Australia, America and Canada were once all countries that relied heavily on self-determination and self-reliance. No longer are they doing that and with immigration, these nations are now all being saddled by those that are looking for the government to take care of them. That is leading to their downfall.

 

[Said1]

Yes, VERY and he is loved by a lot of Aussies.

Australia, America and Canada were once all countries that relied heavily on self-determination and self-reliance. No longer are they doing that and with immigration, these nations are now all being saddled by those that are looking for the government to take care of them. That is leading to their downfall.

With a declining natural rate of increase, we three nations better start having more babies, quick! j/k

 

[Johnney]

Wenxng Zuo of the Chinese embassy in Ottawa strenuously denied yesterday China has engaged in espionage in Canada to gain secrets for economic and military use.

''No, it's not true,'' she said.

of course its not...

 

[onedomino]

Your dead on, but to narrow it down even further, start at 1968 - in walks Trudeau, and here is where Trudeaumania and hard core socialism really took off in Canada.

In 1968, America elected Nixon, after five years of no-win Southeast Asian regional war with Johnson. So at that point, Canada goes left and America goes right. But why? What was it about the Canadian and American cultural engines that caused the divergence? Political ideology is the symptom. What is the cause? Economic conditions? Cultural antipathy?

The settlement on beef imports aside, the gulf between Canada and America continues to grow. It is hard to understand. I must have high-tariff soft-wood lumber in my head.

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[dilloduck]

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Keep some cyanide handy in case they try to make ya talk!!

 

[freeandfun1]

In 1968, America elected Nixon, after five years of no-win Southeast Asian regional war with Johnson. So at that point, Canada goes left and America goes right. But why? What was it about the Canadian and American cultural engines that caused the divergence? Political ideology is the symptom. What is the cause? Economic conditions? Cultural antipathy?

The settlement on beef imports aside, the gulf between Canada and America continues to grow. It is hard to understand. I must have high-tariff soft-wood lumber in my head.

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America didn't really turn "hard" right, we just kinda just barely turned that way just enough.....

In 1968 the Democrats were tied to the war in Vietnam and THAT is why Nixon won. It was more timing than anything.

That point in history is closest the US ever was to turning hard toward socialism. It would have been under a "US" version of it and probably a modified version of Johnson's "Great Society" plan, so as to be palatable to the American people.

The Democrats were close to having their version of a socialist America, but thanks (sounds terrible I know) to the Vietnam War, they ended up losing out. Tredueau got in because of the Vietnam war too and his promises of social programs. The Democrats, being tied to Vietnam themselves, could not shake that monkey on their back and they lost in the USA. So the socialists won that year in Canada and lost in America.

If it were not for the scandals of the Nixon administration, the US would have steared a hard course toward conservatism, but in the end, the media and the Democrats worked together to bring down Nixon. It was a feeble attempt to regain what they had lost in `68. If media and the left had not won, we would never have elected Carter and this world would be a lot better off.

You know, the Nixon scandals weren't really all that scandalous to Washington insiders. Everybody knew that this stuff was going on all the time and perpetuated by BOTH sides. The Democrats just did a good job of taking control of the media and using it to stop the conservative progression. We are just now starting to get back on course again so the dems better hold on to their hats!

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I vote for Said1 for President of Canada.

 

[Said1]

I vote for Said1 for President of Canada.

Tsk tsk, it's "Prime Minister".

 

[dilloduck]

Tsk tsk, it's "Prime Minister".

not when rw and I get done