China Sends Aircraft Carrier Into Taiwan Strait

[Godboy]

Good, that's their sphere of influence and Taiwan is part of China

The Orange Cheetolini is going to get a reality check




HONG KONG — China sent its sole aircraft carrier into the Taiwan Strait on Wednesday morning, Taiwan officials said, a defiant move that signals China’s growing naval strength and may foreshadow an early foreign policy challenge for President-elect Donald J. Trumpwhen he takes office in nine days.

The transit of the aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, which had been conducting exercises in the South China Sea, comes amid rising tensions between Taiwan and China, and after Mr. Trump broke decades of protocol by speaking on the phone with Taiwan’s president, Tsai Ing-wen, after his election victory. Ms. Tsai leads a political party that has traditionally supported Taiwan’s formal independence from China.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/world/asia/china-taiwan-strait-aircraft-carrier-trump.html

Who's side are you on? The U.S. or China?

 

[Syriusly]

Agriculture?

China is already sourcing from South America and Australia- if the U.S. is not competitive they can source from there.
Mining equipment? The EU and Canada will gladly take those jobs.
Airplanes? Airbus is already making competition tough on Boeing.

The United States is a huge market for China, but China is a huge market for the United States. We would be two guys in a canoe shooting holes in the canoe to get back at each other.

Can South America and Australia make up the sheer volume of US agricultural exports to China?
Why wouldn't the EU and Canada jump on the bandwagon, considering their own trade balance issues?
Does Airbus have the production capacity to meet China's growing need for multiple modern aircraft?

More importantly, what is more crucial, the US placating its population, or China, placating it's rapidly expanding middle class, which currently has a sizable male/female gender imbalance?

Yes
No- because the EU and Canada would jump on the chance to take away American jobs.
Yes

What is more crucial?

Starting a trade war with China that would hurt all Americans?

Or not.

Hmmmm "Trade war". Bringing jobs and manufacturing back to the US is a bad thing. What planet do you live on again?

I am sorry- I have studied history and economics, so I am familiar with the history of trade wars. I pay attention to international trade, so I am familiar with both American imports and American exports. But I shouldn't have assumed that others know these things.

Putting tariff's on items made in China doesn't miraculously mean those jobs come to the United States. Nor does it mean that China won't retaliate by putting tariffs on the manufactured goods- and agricultural products that we sell to China. And the parts made in China that U.S. manufacturers rely upon to make product? U.S. manufacturing gets more expensive too- and less competitive with the EU and Canada and others.

If it just stays between China and the United States, then it might not develop into a full blown trade war with the entire world- after all, other countries will gladly sell their products to China, and take those American jobs.

And of course if it is too expensive to import from China- manufacturers switch to Vietnam, or India, or Bangladesh- which is exactly what is happening right now.

Hopefully President Trump will actually negotiate with China rather than slapping on tariffs- certainly more could be done to improve our trade with China- intellectual property rights being the biggest problem- but just slapping higher tariffs on China would invite retaliation and hurt American business- and cost us jobs.

China has been involved in a trade war with the world for decades. If you were half as educated as you claim to be you would KNOW that.

One part of that is true- which is that China has been stealing intellectual property for decades.

But the other part of that is just hyperbole.

China is competing with the world- for years Chinese workers were cheaper. Now Chinese workers are more expensive, so in the last 10 years manufacturers have been relocating labor intensive work to Vietnam and Bangladesh and other countries.

You put tariff's on China- it will not miraculously create new American jobs.

But almost certainly it will cost Americans jobs, and probably a lot of farmers their farms.

 

[theHawk]

Good, that's their sphere of influence and Taiwan is part of China

The Orange Cheetolini is going to get a reality check




HONG KONG — China sent its sole aircraft carrier into the Taiwan Strait on Wednesday morning, Taiwan officials said, a defiant move that signals China’s growing naval strength and may foreshadow an early foreign policy challenge for President-elect Donald J. Trumpwhen he takes office in nine days.

The transit of the aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, which had been conducting exercises in the South China Sea, comes amid rising tensions between Taiwan and China, and after Mr. Trump broke decades of protocol by speaking on the phone with Taiwan’s president, Tsai Ing-wen, after his election victory. Ms. Tsai leads a political party that has traditionally supported Taiwan’s formal independence from China.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/world/asia/china-taiwan-strait-aircraft-carrier-trump.html

Who's side are you on? The U.S. or China?

Guano and his types are for any Globalist country that are aggressors towards the US.

 

[westwall]

Can South America and Australia make up the sheer volume of US agricultural exports to China?
Why wouldn't the EU and Canada jump on the bandwagon, considering their own trade balance issues?
Does Airbus have the production capacity to meet China's growing need for multiple modern aircraft?

More importantly, what is more crucial, the US placating its population, or China, placating it's rapidly expanding middle class, which currently has a sizable male/female gender imbalance?

Yes
No- because the EU and Canada would jump on the chance to take away American jobs.
Yes

What is more crucial?

Starting a trade war with China that would hurt all Americans?

Or not.

Hmmmm "Trade war". Bringing jobs and manufacturing back to the US is a bad thing. What planet do you live on again?

I am sorry- I have studied history and economics, so I am familiar with the history of trade wars. I pay attention to international trade, so I am familiar with both American imports and American exports. But I shouldn't have assumed that others know these things.

Putting tariff's on items made in China doesn't miraculously mean those jobs come to the United States. Nor does it mean that China won't retaliate by putting tariffs on the manufactured goods- and agricultural products that we sell to China. And the parts made in China that U.S. manufacturers rely upon to make product? U.S. manufacturing gets more expensive too- and less competitive with the EU and Canada and others.

If it just stays between China and the United States, then it might not develop into a full blown trade war with the entire world- after all, other countries will gladly sell their products to China, and take those American jobs.

And of course if it is too expensive to import from China- manufacturers switch to Vietnam, or India, or Bangladesh- which is exactly what is happening right now.

Hopefully President Trump will actually negotiate with China rather than slapping on tariffs- certainly more could be done to improve our trade with China- intellectual property rights being the biggest problem- but just slapping higher tariffs on China would invite retaliation and hurt American business- and cost us jobs.

China has been involved in a trade war with the world for decades. If you were half as educated as you claim to be you would KNOW that.

One part of that is true- which is that China has been stealing intellectual property for decades.

But the other part of that is just hyperbole.

China is competing with the world- for years Chinese workers were cheaper. Now Chinese workers are more expensive, so in the last 10 years manufacturers have been relocating labor intensive work to Vietnam and Bangladesh and other countries.

You put tariff's on China- it will not miraculously create new American jobs.

But almost certainly it will cost Americans jobs, and probably a lot of farmers their farms.

Wrong. Who actually controls the factories in the north and south of China?

 

[beagle9]

You have to draw the line at sometime, hopefully Trumpet is man enough to do what Obalma was unable to do..Stand fast on convictions.

Trump has "convictions"?

Trump has never been convicted.

Yet.

. And won't be, so keep dreaming with Rosie Old-dung-hole... LOL

 

[martybegan]

Uh the current Pres is Obama. Funny how this is somehow Trump's fault. Let me guess, because Trump answered his phone on election night?

Once Trump is sworn in, he'll send these rats scurrying. All he has to do is threaten tariffs on China and they'll get down on their knees.

We have had tariff's on China for decades.

Of course Trump has threatened 30% tariff's on China.

Which translates to 30% higher costs for most of what Walmart customers buy.

And what will China do?

China will put similar tariff's on American imports- Boeing planes, agriculture(screw American farmers- they are getting too rich as it is!) and products from American manufacturers.

And then we get to plunge into a full blown trade war.

Sounds good- right?

The difference is China will have a hard time replacing the imports it imposes tarriffs on, especially the agricultural products, and some of the higher end products, like mining equipment, airplanes, and the like.

Couple that with it's own restive population, it has more to lose in a tit for tat fight than the US does.

Agriculture?

China is already sourcing from South America and Australia- if the U.S. is not competitive they can source from there.
Mining equipment? The EU and Canada will gladly take those jobs.
Airplanes? Airbus is already making competition tough on Boeing.

The United States is a huge market for China, but China is a huge market for the United States. We would be two guys in a canoe shooting holes in the canoe to get back at each other.

Can South America and Australia make up the sheer volume of US agricultural exports to China?
Why wouldn't the EU and Canada jump on the bandwagon, considering their own trade balance issues?
Does Airbus have the production capacity to meet China's growing need for multiple modern aircraft?

More importantly, what is more crucial, the US placating its population, or China, placating it's rapidly expanding middle class, which currently has a sizable male/female gender imbalance?

Yes
No- because the EU and Canada would jump on the chance to take away American jobs.
Yes

What is more crucial?

Starting a trade war with China that would hurt all Americans?

Or not.

Well the status quo is resulting in loss of lower end american jobs, and Trump won on a promise to do something about it.

It's amazing how tame progressives can be when it comes to things like this, yet decide to pass a law unilaterally that completely reorganizes US healthcare, without really knowing what the law would end up doing.

 

[Wry Catcher]

We have had tariff's on China for decades.

Of course Trump has threatened 30% tariff's on China.

Which translates to 30% higher costs for most of what Walmart customers buy.

And what will China do?

China will put similar tariff's on American imports- Boeing planes, agriculture(screw American farmers- they are getting too rich as it is!) and products from American manufacturers.

And then we get to plunge into a full blown trade war.

Sounds good- right?

The difference is China will have a hard time replacing the imports it imposes tarriffs on, especially the agricultural products, and some of the higher end products, like mining equipment, airplanes, and the like.

Couple that with it's own restive population, it has more to lose in a tit for tat fight than the US does.

Agriculture?

China is already sourcing from South America and Australia- if the U.S. is not competitive they can source from there.
Mining equipment? The EU and Canada will gladly take those jobs.
Airplanes? Airbus is already making competition tough on Boeing.

The United States is a huge market for China, but China is a huge market for the United States. We would be two guys in a canoe shooting holes in the canoe to get back at each other.

Can South America and Australia make up the sheer volume of US agricultural exports to China?
Why wouldn't the EU and Canada jump on the bandwagon, considering their own trade balance issues?
Does Airbus have the production capacity to meet China's growing need for multiple modern aircraft?

More importantly, what is more crucial, the US placating its population, or China, placating it's rapidly expanding middle class, which currently has a sizable male/female gender imbalance?

Yes
No- because the EU and Canada would jump on the chance to take away American jobs.
Yes

What is more crucial?

Starting a trade war with China that would hurt all Americans?

Or not.

Well the status quo is resulting in loss of lower end american jobs, and Trump won on a promise to do something about it.

It's amazing how tame progressives can be when it comes to things like this, yet decide to pass a law unilaterally that completely reorganizes US healthcare, without really knowing what the law would end up doing.

And what did it do? It provided more and better health insurance to the people.

It is not Socialism, the argument put forth by the propaganda purveyors who sold it to the biddable; it allowed individual states to design their own system of care, or not as some chose to do, and it's costs are not rising annually in double digits as health insurance cost did for decades before the ACA was promulgated.

 

[martybegan]

The difference is China will have a hard time replacing the imports it imposes tarriffs on, especially the agricultural products, and some of the higher end products, like mining equipment, airplanes, and the like.

Couple that with it's own restive population, it has more to lose in a tit for tat fight than the US does.

Agriculture?

China is already sourcing from South America and Australia- if the U.S. is not competitive they can source from there.
Mining equipment? The EU and Canada will gladly take those jobs.
Airplanes? Airbus is already making competition tough on Boeing.

The United States is a huge market for China, but China is a huge market for the United States. We would be two guys in a canoe shooting holes in the canoe to get back at each other.

Can South America and Australia make up the sheer volume of US agricultural exports to China?
Why wouldn't the EU and Canada jump on the bandwagon, considering their own trade balance issues?
Does Airbus have the production capacity to meet China's growing need for multiple modern aircraft?

More importantly, what is more crucial, the US placating its population, or China, placating it's rapidly expanding middle class, which currently has a sizable male/female gender imbalance?

Yes
No- because the EU and Canada would jump on the chance to take away American jobs.
Yes

What is more crucial?

Starting a trade war with China that would hurt all Americans?

Or not.

Well the status quo is resulting in loss of lower end american jobs, and Trump won on a promise to do something about it.

It's amazing how tame progressives can be when it comes to things like this, yet decide to pass a law unilaterally that completely reorganizes US healthcare, without really knowing what the law would end up doing.

And what did it do? It provided more and better health insurance to the people.

It is not Socialism, the argument put forth by the propaganda purveyors who sold it to the biddable; it allowed individual states to design their own system of care, or not as some chose to do, and it's costs are not rising annually in double digits as health insurance cost did for decades before the ACA was promulgated.

No, it made me shunt to a high deductible plan with higher premiums than I had before with a PPO plan.

I liked my plan, I didn't get to keep my plan, period.

 

[Syriusly]

Yes
No- because the EU and Canada would jump on the chance to take away American jobs.
Yes

What is more crucial?

Starting a trade war with China that would hurt all Americans?

Or not.

Hmmmm "Trade war". Bringing jobs and manufacturing back to the US is a bad thing. What planet do you live on again?

I am sorry- I have studied history and economics, so I am familiar with the history of trade wars. I pay attention to international trade, so I am familiar with both American imports and American exports. But I shouldn't have assumed that others know these things.

Putting tariff's on items made in China doesn't miraculously mean those jobs come to the United States. Nor does it mean that China won't retaliate by putting tariffs on the manufactured goods- and agricultural products that we sell to China. And the parts made in China that U.S. manufacturers rely upon to make product? U.S. manufacturing gets more expensive too- and less competitive with the EU and Canada and others.

If it just stays between China and the United States, then it might not develop into a full blown trade war with the entire world- after all, other countries will gladly sell their products to China, and take those American jobs.

And of course if it is too expensive to import from China- manufacturers switch to Vietnam, or India, or Bangladesh- which is exactly what is happening right now.

Hopefully President Trump will actually negotiate with China rather than slapping on tariffs- certainly more could be done to improve our trade with China- intellectual property rights being the biggest problem- but just slapping higher tariffs on China would invite retaliation and hurt American business- and cost us jobs.

China has been involved in a trade war with the world for decades. If you were half as educated as you claim to be you would KNOW that.

One part of that is true- which is that China has been stealing intellectual property for decades.

But the other part of that is just hyperbole.

China is competing with the world- for years Chinese workers were cheaper. Now Chinese workers are more expensive, so in the last 10 years manufacturers have been relocating labor intensive work to Vietnam and Bangladesh and other countries.

You put tariff's on China- it will not miraculously create new American jobs.

But almost certainly it will cost Americans jobs, and probably a lot of farmers their farms.

Wrong. Who actually controls the factories in the north and south of China?

Most of the factories in the North and the South are privately owned- though the Chinese government entities have their finger in many business's- more so with the older dirtier industries up north.

The south is much more the hotbed of Chinese entreprenuership.

 

[Syriusly]

You have to draw the line at sometime, hopefully Trumpet is man enough to do what Obalma was unable to do..Stand fast on convictions.

Trump has "convictions"?

Trump has never been convicted.

Yet.

. And won't be, so keep dreaming with Rosie Old-dung-hole... LOL

LOL

Mostly I said that to mock all of the people who have hoped for 'convictions of President Obama and Hillary Clinton.

I don't actually expect Trump, Obama or Clinton to be prosecuted or convicted. Nor do I see any reason why they would be.

 

[westwall]

Hmmmm "Trade war". Bringing jobs and manufacturing back to the US is a bad thing. What planet do you live on again?

I am sorry- I have studied history and economics, so I am familiar with the history of trade wars. I pay attention to international trade, so I am familiar with both American imports and American exports. But I shouldn't have assumed that others know these things.

Putting tariff's on items made in China doesn't miraculously mean those jobs come to the United States. Nor does it mean that China won't retaliate by putting tariffs on the manufactured goods- and agricultural products that we sell to China. And the parts made in China that U.S. manufacturers rely upon to make product? U.S. manufacturing gets more expensive too- and less competitive with the EU and Canada and others.

If it just stays between China and the United States, then it might not develop into a full blown trade war with the entire world- after all, other countries will gladly sell their products to China, and take those American jobs.

And of course if it is too expensive to import from China- manufacturers switch to Vietnam, or India, or Bangladesh- which is exactly what is happening right now.

Hopefully President Trump will actually negotiate with China rather than slapping on tariffs- certainly more could be done to improve our trade with China- intellectual property rights being the biggest problem- but just slapping higher tariffs on China would invite retaliation and hurt American business- and cost us jobs.

China has been involved in a trade war with the world for decades. If you were half as educated as you claim to be you would KNOW that.

One part of that is true- which is that China has been stealing intellectual property for decades.

But the other part of that is just hyperbole.

China is competing with the world- for years Chinese workers were cheaper. Now Chinese workers are more expensive, so in the last 10 years manufacturers have been relocating labor intensive work to Vietnam and Bangladesh and other countries.

You put tariff's on China- it will not miraculously create new American jobs.

But almost certainly it will cost Americans jobs, and probably a lot of farmers their farms.

Wrong. Who actually controls the factories in the north and south of China?

Most of the factories in the North and the South are privately owned- though the Chinese government entities have their finger in many business's- more so with the older dirtier industries up north.

The south is much more the hotbed of Chinese entreprenuership.

Showing how little you really know about China. Ever heard of a company called NORINCO? Or how about Poly Technologies?

 

[Syriusly]

We have had tariff's on China for decades.

Of course Trump has threatened 30% tariff's on China.

Which translates to 30% higher costs for most of what Walmart customers buy.

And what will China do?

China will put similar tariff's on American imports- Boeing planes, agriculture(screw American farmers- they are getting too rich as it is!) and products from American manufacturers.

And then we get to plunge into a full blown trade war.

Sounds good- right?

The difference is China will have a hard time replacing the imports it imposes tarriffs on, especially the agricultural products, and some of the higher end products, like mining equipment, airplanes, and the like.

Couple that with it's own restive population, it has more to lose in a tit for tat fight than the US does.

Agriculture?

China is already sourcing from South America and Australia- if the U.S. is not competitive they can source from there.
Mining equipment? The EU and Canada will gladly take those jobs.
Airplanes? Airbus is already making competition tough on Boeing.

The United States is a huge market for China, but China is a huge market for the United States. We would be two guys in a canoe shooting holes in the canoe to get back at each other.

Can South America and Australia make up the sheer volume of US agricultural exports to China?
Why wouldn't the EU and Canada jump on the bandwagon, considering their own trade balance issues?
Does Airbus have the production capacity to meet China's growing need for multiple modern aircraft?

More importantly, what is more crucial, the US placating its population, or China, placating it's rapidly expanding middle class, which currently has a sizable male/female gender imbalance?

Yes
No- because the EU and Canada would jump on the chance to take away American jobs.
Yes

What is more crucial?

Starting a trade war with China that would hurt all Americans?

Or not.

Well the status quo is resulting in loss of lower end american jobs, and Trump won on a promise to do something about it.

It's amazing how tame progressives can be when it comes to things like this, yet decide to pass a law unilaterally that completely reorganizes US healthcare, without really knowing what the law would end up doing.

Trump won on a promise to do things- exactly. And folks like yourself hopes he does something- and hope it works. Wow.....sounds like Obama's first election.

It is amazing how much Conservatives want to demand protections for American industry without really knowing what such protections would end up doing.

I hope Trump uses his negotiation skills with China to make America more competitive. Just slapping on a 30% tariff on China will hurt Americans- especially the poor and farmers.

 

[Kosh]

Hmmmm "Trade war". Bringing jobs and manufacturing back to the US is a bad thing. What planet do you live on again?

I am sorry- I have studied history and economics, so I am familiar with the history of trade wars. I pay attention to international trade, so I am familiar with both American imports and American exports. But I shouldn't have assumed that others know these things.

Putting tariff's on items made in China doesn't miraculously mean those jobs come to the United States. Nor does it mean that China won't retaliate by putting tariffs on the manufactured goods- and agricultural products that we sell to China. And the parts made in China that U.S. manufacturers rely upon to make product? U.S. manufacturing gets more expensive too- and less competitive with the EU and Canada and others.

If it just stays between China and the United States, then it might not develop into a full blown trade war with the entire world- after all, other countries will gladly sell their products to China, and take those American jobs.

And of course if it is too expensive to import from China- manufacturers switch to Vietnam, or India, or Bangladesh- which is exactly what is happening right now.

Hopefully President Trump will actually negotiate with China rather than slapping on tariffs- certainly more could be done to improve our trade with China- intellectual property rights being the biggest problem- but just slapping higher tariffs on China would invite retaliation and hurt American business- and cost us jobs.

China has been involved in a trade war with the world for decades. If you were half as educated as you claim to be you would KNOW that.

One part of that is true- which is that China has been stealing intellectual property for decades.

But the other part of that is just hyperbole.

China is competing with the world- for years Chinese workers were cheaper. Now Chinese workers are more expensive, so in the last 10 years manufacturers have been relocating labor intensive work to Vietnam and Bangladesh and other countries.

You put tariff's on China- it will not miraculously create new American jobs.

But almost certainly it will cost Americans jobs, and probably a lot of farmers their farms.

Wrong. Who actually controls the factories in the north and south of China?

Most of the factories in the North and the South are privately owned- though the Chinese government entities have their finger in many business's- more so with the older dirtier industries up north.

The south is much more the hotbed of Chinese entreprenuership.

And the far left proves once again they do not understand how communism in China works.,.

But then again this drone probably believes that communism is compassion.

Foxconn: Working Conditions in Chinese Factories | Facing Finance

 

[Syriusly]

I am sorry- I have studied history and economics, so I am familiar with the history of trade wars. I pay attention to international trade, so I am familiar with both American imports and American exports. But I shouldn't have assumed that others know these things.

Putting tariff's on items made in China doesn't miraculously mean those jobs come to the United States. Nor does it mean that China won't retaliate by putting tariffs on the manufactured goods- and agricultural products that we sell to China. And the parts made in China that U.S. manufacturers rely upon to make product? U.S. manufacturing gets more expensive too- and less competitive with the EU and Canada and others.

If it just stays between China and the United States, then it might not develop into a full blown trade war with the entire world- after all, other countries will gladly sell their products to China, and take those American jobs.

And of course if it is too expensive to import from China- manufacturers switch to Vietnam, or India, or Bangladesh- which is exactly what is happening right now.

Hopefully President Trump will actually negotiate with China rather than slapping on tariffs- certainly more could be done to improve our trade with China- intellectual property rights being the biggest problem- but just slapping higher tariffs on China would invite retaliation and hurt American business- and cost us jobs.

China has been involved in a trade war with the world for decades. If you were half as educated as you claim to be you would KNOW that.

One part of that is true- which is that China has been stealing intellectual property for decades.

But the other part of that is just hyperbole.

China is competing with the world- for years Chinese workers were cheaper. Now Chinese workers are more expensive, so in the last 10 years manufacturers have been relocating labor intensive work to Vietnam and Bangladesh and other countries.

You put tariff's on China- it will not miraculously create new American jobs.

But almost certainly it will cost Americans jobs, and probably a lot of farmers their farms.

Wrong. Who actually controls the factories in the north and south of China?

Most of the factories in the North and the South are privately owned- though the Chinese government entities have their finger in many business's- more so with the older dirtier industries up north.

The south is much more the hotbed of Chinese entreprenuership.

Showing how little you really know about China. Ever heard of a company called NORINCO? Or how about Poly Technologies?

Well I have been doing business in China for years, and have usually spent a few weeks a year in China going to factories- but hey I guess that isn't 'real' knowledge.

A quick check on NORINCO shows it is a Chinese state controlled manufacturer with about 300,000 employees.

Which makes it a large employer but barely a blip on the radar when you consider how many millions of Chinese work in manufacturing.

 

[Syriusly]

I am sorry- I have studied history and economics, so I am familiar with the history of trade wars. I pay attention to international trade, so I am familiar with both American imports and American exports. But I shouldn't have assumed that others know these things.

Putting tariff's on items made in China doesn't miraculously mean those jobs come to the United States. Nor does it mean that China won't retaliate by putting tariffs on the manufactured goods- and agricultural products that we sell to China. And the parts made in China that U.S. manufacturers rely upon to make product? U.S. manufacturing gets more expensive too- and less competitive with the EU and Canada and others.

If it just stays between China and the United States, then it might not develop into a full blown trade war with the entire world- after all, other countries will gladly sell their products to China, and take those American jobs.

And of course if it is too expensive to import from China- manufacturers switch to Vietnam, or India, or Bangladesh- which is exactly what is happening right now.

Hopefully President Trump will actually negotiate with China rather than slapping on tariffs- certainly more could be done to improve our trade with China- intellectual property rights being the biggest problem- but just slapping higher tariffs on China would invite retaliation and hurt American business- and cost us jobs.

China has been involved in a trade war with the world for decades. If you were half as educated as you claim to be you would KNOW that.

One part of that is true- which is that China has been stealing intellectual property for decades.

But the other part of that is just hyperbole.

China is competing with the world- for years Chinese workers were cheaper. Now Chinese workers are more expensive, so in the last 10 years manufacturers have been relocating labor intensive work to Vietnam and Bangladesh and other countries.

You put tariff's on China- it will not miraculously create new American jobs.

But almost certainly it will cost Americans jobs, and probably a lot of farmers their farms.

Wrong. Who actually controls the factories in the north and south of China?

Most of the factories in the North and the South are privately owned- though the Chinese government entities have their finger in many business's- more so with the older dirtier industries up north.

The south is much more the hotbed of Chinese entreprenuership.

And the far left proves once again they do not understand how communism in China works.,.
e

I have been to China doing business.
You are an idiot and a troll.

 

[martybegan]

The difference is China will have a hard time replacing the imports it imposes tarriffs on, especially the agricultural products, and some of the higher end products, like mining equipment, airplanes, and the like.

Couple that with it's own restive population, it has more to lose in a tit for tat fight than the US does.

Agriculture?

China is already sourcing from South America and Australia- if the U.S. is not competitive they can source from there.
Mining equipment? The EU and Canada will gladly take those jobs.
Airplanes? Airbus is already making competition tough on Boeing.

The United States is a huge market for China, but China is a huge market for the United States. We would be two guys in a canoe shooting holes in the canoe to get back at each other.

Can South America and Australia make up the sheer volume of US agricultural exports to China?
Why wouldn't the EU and Canada jump on the bandwagon, considering their own trade balance issues?
Does Airbus have the production capacity to meet China's growing need for multiple modern aircraft?

More importantly, what is more crucial, the US placating its population, or China, placating it's rapidly expanding middle class, which currently has a sizable male/female gender imbalance?

Yes
No- because the EU and Canada would jump on the chance to take away American jobs.
Yes

What is more crucial?

Starting a trade war with China that would hurt all Americans?

Or not.

Well the status quo is resulting in loss of lower end american jobs, and Trump won on a promise to do something about it.

It's amazing how tame progressives can be when it comes to things like this, yet decide to pass a law unilaterally that completely reorganizes US healthcare, without really knowing what the law would end up doing.

Trump won on a promise to do things- exactly. And folks like yourself hopes he does something- and hope it works. Wow.....sounds like Obama's first election.

It is amazing how much Conservatives want to demand protections for American industry without really knowing what such protections would end up doing.

I hope Trump uses his negotiation skills with China to make America more competitive. Just slapping on a 30% tariff on China will hurt Americans- especially the poor and farmers.

Well China isn't going to play nice without a stick behind the back of whoever is doing the negotiation, and a firm belief that the person holding it may use it.

 

[Kosh]

China has been involved in a trade war with the world for decades. If you were half as educated as you claim to be you would KNOW that.

One part of that is true- which is that China has been stealing intellectual property for decades.

But the other part of that is just hyperbole.

China is competing with the world- for years Chinese workers were cheaper. Now Chinese workers are more expensive, so in the last 10 years manufacturers have been relocating labor intensive work to Vietnam and Bangladesh and other countries.

You put tariff's on China- it will not miraculously create new American jobs.

But almost certainly it will cost Americans jobs, and probably a lot of farmers their farms.

Wrong. Who actually controls the factories in the north and south of China?

Most of the factories in the North and the South are privately owned- though the Chinese government entities have their finger in many business's- more so with the older dirtier industries up north.

The south is much more the hotbed of Chinese entreprenuership.

And the far left proves once again they do not understand how communism in China works.,.
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I have been to China doing business.
You are an idiot and a troll.

Another irony impaired far left drone proves that they will run the far left religious narrative over reality!

Even the far left Atlantic disputes any trolling claims you make!

China Makes, The World Takes

 

[westwall]

China has been involved in a trade war with the world for decades. If you were half as educated as you claim to be you would KNOW that.

One part of that is true- which is that China has been stealing intellectual property for decades.

But the other part of that is just hyperbole.

China is competing with the world- for years Chinese workers were cheaper. Now Chinese workers are more expensive, so in the last 10 years manufacturers have been relocating labor intensive work to Vietnam and Bangladesh and other countries.

You put tariff's on China- it will not miraculously create new American jobs.

But almost certainly it will cost Americans jobs, and probably a lot of farmers their farms.

Wrong. Who actually controls the factories in the north and south of China?

Most of the factories in the North and the South are privately owned- though the Chinese government entities have their finger in many business's- more so with the older dirtier industries up north.

The south is much more the hotbed of Chinese entreprenuership.

Showing how little you really know about China. Ever heard of a company called NORINCO? Or how about Poly Technologies?

Well I have been doing business in China for years, and have usually spent a few weeks a year in China going to factories- but hey I guess that isn't 'real' knowledge.

A quick check on NORINCO shows it is a Chinese state controlled manufacturer with about 300,000 employees.

Which makes it a large employer but barely a blip on the radar when you consider how many millions of Chinese work in manufacturing.

NORINCO is the Northern Army of China. PolyTech is the Southern Army of China. They control ALL manufacturing within their sphere's of influence and get a cut of all manufacturing profits. That's how they fund their respective military units. Funny, that you a supposed "expert" on China, didn't know that. It is common knowledge within the business world.

 

[Kosh]

China has been involved in a trade war with the world for decades. If you were half as educated as you claim to be you would KNOW that.

One part of that is true- which is that China has been stealing intellectual property for decades.

But the other part of that is just hyperbole.

China is competing with the world- for years Chinese workers were cheaper. Now Chinese workers are more expensive, so in the last 10 years manufacturers have been relocating labor intensive work to Vietnam and Bangladesh and other countries.

You put tariff's on China- it will not miraculously create new American jobs.

But almost certainly it will cost Americans jobs, and probably a lot of farmers their farms.

Wrong. Who actually controls the factories in the north and south of China?

Most of the factories in the North and the South are privately owned- though the Chinese government entities have their finger in many business's- more so with the older dirtier industries up north.

The south is much more the hotbed of Chinese entreprenuership.

Showing how little you really know about China. Ever heard of a company called NORINCO? Or how about Poly Technologies?

Well I have been doing business in China for years, and have usually spent a few weeks a year in China going to factories- but hey I guess that isn't 'real' knowledge.

A quick check on NORINCO shows it is a Chinese state controlled manufacturer with about 300,000 employees.

Which makes it a large employer but barely a blip on the radar when you consider how many millions of Chinese work in manufacturing.

Yes far left drone!

China owns the factories that other companies use. You are not allowed to own land in China, any troll like you claiming that they are in China would know that.

Chinese property law has existed in various forms for centuries. After the Chinese Communist Revolution in 1949, most land is owned by collectivities or by the state; the Property Law of the People's Republic of China passed in 2007 codified property rights.

Once again the far left drones fail to promote facts over religious dogma..

 

[Wry Catcher]

Agriculture?

China is already sourcing from South America and Australia- if the U.S. is not competitive they can source from there.
Mining equipment? The EU and Canada will gladly take those jobs.
Airplanes? Airbus is already making competition tough on Boeing.

The United States is a huge market for China, but China is a huge market for the United States. We would be two guys in a canoe shooting holes in the canoe to get back at each other.

Can South America and Australia make up the sheer volume of US agricultural exports to China?
Why wouldn't the EU and Canada jump on the bandwagon, considering their own trade balance issues?
Does Airbus have the production capacity to meet China's growing need for multiple modern aircraft?

More importantly, what is more crucial, the US placating its population, or China, placating it's rapidly expanding middle class, which currently has a sizable male/female gender imbalance?

Yes
No- because the EU and Canada would jump on the chance to take away American jobs.
Yes

What is more crucial?

Starting a trade war with China that would hurt all Americans?

Or not.

Well the status quo is resulting in loss of lower end american jobs, and Trump won on a promise to do something about it.

It's amazing how tame progressives can be when it comes to things like this, yet decide to pass a law unilaterally that completely reorganizes US healthcare, without really knowing what the law would end up doing.

And what did it do? It provided more and better health insurance to the people.

It is not Socialism, the argument put forth by the propaganda purveyors who sold it to the biddable; it allowed individual states to design their own system of care, or not as some chose to do, and it's costs are not rising annually in double digits as health insurance cost did for decades before the ACA was promulgated.

No, it made me shunt to a high deductible plan with higher premiums than I had before with a PPO plan.

I liked my plan, I didn't get to keep my plan, period.

Yet if you were honest and suffered a massive heart attack, stage four cancer or were hit by a truck, you might play a different a tune.