China says No Deal!!

[Navy1960]

COPENHAGEN — China’s climate negotiators have told Western counterparts they can’t agree to an “operational agreement” on climate change that President Barack Obama had hoped to bring home from Copenhagen and will push for a short, noncommittal collective statement at the end of the talks, according to American staffers briefed on the situation.

China tells U.S.: No deal - - POLITICO.com

Frankly this is not surprising at all, as China will not curb its construction of coal fired plants or hamper it's economy unless they see a profit in it. That leaves the United States and Europe to make these changes themselves in an effort to change the climate which it won't because China and India will keep the status quo. Thats the bottom line with these sorts of agreements based on a single set of conclusions. It will end up doing nothing but sending this nation into a 3rd world economic status all in an effort to satisfy a narrow scientific view.

 

[eagleseven]

Copenhagen = Fail

 

[Dr.House]

China is smart...

 

[MaggieMae]

Copenhagen = Fail

Those summits are always a failure. A big fat waste of time. China will eventually see how their own air will become like breathing mud, but there's no way other countries can force mandates. The only thing the climate summits accomplish is keeping the issue on the front burner.

 

[MaggieMae]

China is smart...

Smart how?

 

[Oddball]

China's air is already like breathing mud. Chiefly because their power generation technology is still in the 1930s.

Newer and more efficiently burning technology goes as far to cleaning the air as anything mere politicians and bureaucrats can come up with.

 

[Navy1960]

What I find is interesting here,and little is being said on the subject, is not only is China smart when it comes to protecting it's economy, the whole green issue they are heavily vested in. Many in this nation have used this MMGW conclusion as a means to mandate a narrow set of laws. The main selling point in this nation has been "green jobs" but what people don't seem to understand is that China will be the main supplier and reap the benefits of these so called "green jobs" based on those narrow set of laws. China already is one of the largest suppliers of lithium-ion batteries, solar panels, wind generators, and many other technologies associted with green jobs. It would seem to me the best way to develop an energy policy and jobs policy is to not take a narrow conclusion and then legislate on it but rather to use all our resources in an envinronmentally friendly way to compete with China rather than be their customer.

 

[Dr.House]

China is smart...

Smart how?

Smart not to commit money to the Algore cause....

Did you not read the OP?

 

[Oddball]

The main selling point in this nation has been "green jobs" but what people don't seem to understand is that China will be the main supplier and reap the benefits of these so called "green jobs" based on those narrow set of laws. China already is one of the largest suppliers of lithium-ion batteries, solar panels, wind generators, and many other technologies associated with green jobs.

Don't cloud the issue with the facts.

Fabian socialists love slave labor and inefficient manufacturing techniques, when it works toward achieving their ends of authoritarian central control.

 

[GHook93]

China is ruled by a businessman like mentality. They are not ruled by a leftist evironmental mentality that has cripped Europe and America.

They won't slow down! Why would they? The evidence is faulty and corrupted. It is only settled science by environmentalist.

If the environmentalist want to reduce emission, it has to a capitalist approach. Americans and Europeans want electric car. That is a start. Next allow up to build more nuclea plans. Then play with electric, wind and clean coal (which is a myth at the moment).

But they can't force in America, but destroying what is left of our economy!

 

[Navy1960]

Okay Dude, I'll try not too and I was just going to list some Chinese companies too damnit.

 

[MaggieMae]

The main selling point in this nation has been "green jobs" but what people don't seem to understand is that China will be the main supplier and reap the benefits of these so called "green jobs" based on those narrow set of laws. China already is one of the largest suppliers of lithium-ion batteries, solar panels, wind generators, and many other technologies associated with green jobs.

Don't cloud the issue with the facts.

Fabian socialists love slave labor and inefficient manufacturing techniques, when it works toward achieving their ends of authoritarian central control.

Yeah, that's it.

 

[Navy1960]

I will say this, what is really ironic about the Chinese at the summit in Denmark is they were requesting money froim the US and Europe as a developing nation to help in meeting any goals for climate change. Does anyone besides me see the lunacy in that? This is the same nation that holds a vast majority of our debt asking us to go deeper in debt to help rebuild our debtors infrastructure?

 

[Oddball]

The main selling point in this nation has been "green jobs" but what people don't seem to understand is that China will be the main supplier and reap the benefits of these so called "green jobs" based on those narrow set of laws. China already is one of the largest suppliers of lithium-ion batteries, solar panels, wind generators, and many other technologies associated with green jobs.

Don't cloud the issue with the facts.

Fabian socialists love slave labor and inefficient manufacturing techniques, when it works toward achieving their ends of authoritarian central control.

Yeah, that's it.

It must be....So far, I've heard of no greeny flake (and I don't toss around my universal qualifiers lightly) addressing the fact that most of the equipment is manufactured in China, nor the immense "carbon footprints" to be overcome in building, transporting, installing and maintaining so-called green technologies.

There must be some other reason that they're so adamant in pimping that junk, and that's as likely an explanation as any other.

 

[ba1614]

I will say this, what is really ironic about the Chinese at the summit in Denmark is they were requesting money froim the US and Europe as a developing nation to help in meeting any goals for climate change. Does anyone besides me see the lunacy in that? This is the same nation that holds a vast majority of our debt asking us to go deeper in debt to help rebuild our debtors infrastructure?

Wait until Obama gives it to him, that will be the lunacy!

 

[GHook93]

If America still goes along with Cap and Trade, we will see both China and India surpass America in our lifetimes.

 

[rdean]

China is ruled by a businessman like mentality. They are not ruled by a leftist evironmental mentality that has cripped Europe and America.

They won't slow down! Why would they? The evidence is faulty and corrupted. It is only settled science by environmentalist.

If the environmentalist want to reduce emission, it has to a capitalist approach. Americans and Europeans want electric car. That is a start. Next allow up to build more nuclea plans. Then play with electric, wind and clean coal (which is a myth at the moment).

But they can't force in America, but destroying what is left of our economy!

Three Gorges Dam is a disaster in the making, China admits

Three Gorges Dam is a disaster in the making, China admits - Times Online

China's Three Gorges Dam: An Environmental Catastrophe?

China's Three Gorges Dam: An Environmental Catastrophe?: Scientific American

China Earthquake a Dam-Induced Disaster?

China Earthquake a Dam-Induced Disaster? | International Rivers

Last year's devastating Sichuan earthquake, which took at least 69,000 lives, may have been unleashed by the huge Zipingpu Dam. New scientific evidence links the impoundment of the Zipingpu reservoir to the activation of a fault line near the dam site. A thorough scientific assessment is needed before China builds more dams in earthquake-prone areas.

It is well established that large dams can trigger earthquakes through what is called reservoir–induced seismicity. There is evidence linking earth tremors and the raising and lowering of reservoirs for more than 70 dams. Reservoirs can both increase the frequency of earthquakes in areas of already high seismic activity and cause earthquakes to happen in areas previously thought to be seismically inactive.

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China is ruled by a businessman like mentality. They are not ruled by a leftist evironmental mentality that has cripped Europe and America.

You have got to be one of those dumba** Republicans.

 

[Navy1960]

-- Within the last six years, China jumped to become the world's largest producer of solar energy panels, or solar photovoltaic (PV). Last year, China manufactured over 2,000 megawatts of solar PVs, accounting for more than 30 percent of global production. But in 2003, China's share was merely one percent.

-- At the end of last year, China also had more than 130 million square meters of solar water heaters, accounting for 76 percent of the world's total.

-- Within the last six years, China's installed wind power capacity jumped to 12,170 MWs at the end of 2008, from 470 MWs at the end of 2002. Its annual wind turbine manufacturing capacity soared to 10,000 MWs from less than 100 MWs in 2003.

-- Within the last six years, China's once-unknown automaker BYD emerged from global electric car map. It is the world's second-biggest producer of rechargeable lithium-ion batteries, backed by U.S. billionaire investor Warren Buffett.
"China speed" in clean energy business _English_Xinhua

TIANJIN, China — China’s frenetic construction of coal-fired power plants has raised worries around the world about the effect on climate change. China now uses more coal than the United States, Europe and Japan combined, making it the world’s largest emitter of gases that are warming the planet.

But largely missing in the hand-wringing is this: China has emerged in the past two years as the world’s leading builder of more efficient, less polluting coal power plants, mastering the technology and driving down the cost.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/11/world/asia/11coal.html

The New York Times today reports that China is ramping up its nuclear power efforts in a big way. It plans to build three times as many nuclear power plants in the next decade as the rest of the world combined. The fear, of course, is that China doesn't take the necessary care to avoid accidents in constructing these plants. While that worry is understandable, the effort shows the nation's foresight.
China's Nuclear Power Ambitions - The Atlantic Business Channel

It's pretty obvious that these mandated agreements mean little if anything other than to make a narrow group of people happy at the expense of the rest of the nations economic future.

 

[rdean]

-- Within the last six years, China jumped to become the world's largest producer of solar energy panels, or solar photovoltaic (PV). Last year, China manufactured over 2,000 megawatts of solar PVs, accounting for more than 30 percent of global production. But in 2003, China's share was merely one percent.

-- At the end of last year, China also had more than 130 million square meters of solar water heaters, accounting for 76 percent of the world's total.

-- Within the last six years, China's installed wind power capacity jumped to 12,170 MWs at the end of 2008, from 470 MWs at the end of 2002. Its annual wind turbine manufacturing capacity soared to 10,000 MWs from less than 100 MWs in 2003.

-- Within the last six years, China's once-unknown automaker BYD emerged from global electric car map. It is the world's second-biggest producer of rechargeable lithium-ion batteries, backed by U.S. billionaire investor Warren Buffett.
"China speed" in clean energy business _English_Xinhua

TIANJIN, China — China’s frenetic construction of coal-fired power plants has raised worries around the world about the effect on climate change. China now uses more coal than the United States, Europe and Japan combined, making it the world’s largest emitter of gases that are warming the planet.

But largely missing in the hand-wringing is this: China has emerged in the past two years as the world’s leading builder of more efficient, less polluting coal power plants, mastering the technology and driving down the cost.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/11/world/asia/11coal.html

The New York Times today reports that China is ramping up its nuclear power efforts in a big way. It plans to build three times as many nuclear power plants in the next decade as the rest of the world combined. The fear, of course, is that China doesn't take the necessary care to avoid accidents in constructing these plants. While that worry is understandable, the effort shows the nation's foresight.
China's Nuclear Power Ambitions - The Atlantic Business Channel

It's pretty obvious that these mandated agreements mean little if anything other than to make a narrow group of people happy at the expense of the rest of the nations economic future.

This is where the right could, well, "right" its ship politically if it developed a "coherent" political strategy.

Issues under the umbrella of "climate" change are the development of green technologies such as wind turbines and solar energy. Instead of just mocking "climate change" science, why not use it to develop those new technologies? It's throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Then there are "nuclear" power plants. You don't just "build" a nuclear power plant. It takes plenty of "elitist" educated people the right is so against. You can't be anti education and anti science and pro nuclear in the same sentence.

It’s difficult to know what the right is “for”. Besides failure. “We want the president to fail”.

 

[Oddball]

Issues under the umbrella of "climate" change are the development of green technologies such as wind turbines and solar energy. Instead of just mocking "climate change" science, why not use it to develop those new technologies? It's throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Yeah...Rosemary's baby.

Then there are "nuclear" power plants. You don't just "build" a nuclear power plant. It takes plenty of "elitist" educated people the right is so against. You can't be anti education and anti science and pro nuclear in the same sentence.

Irrelevant strawman.

It’s difficult to know what the right is “for”. Besides failure. “We want the president to fail”.

Ibid.