China needs to be put in their place on trade.

[Zorro!]

Your racist term reflects on you only, no one else.

U.S. officially announces planned tariff increase to 25% on $200 billion of Chinese goods after they reneged on nearly all their commitments.

So 25% not 200%. And only on $200B not all of their exports to us.

‘China has chosen to retreat’ — the U.S. view as negotiations reach critical juncture

If those tariffs go into effect on Friday, expect a very bad week next week for the stock market.

Fuck the Stock Market. Investors with big portfolios do nothing for Main Street USA. I hope they lose their fucking asses...traitors.

Main St. USA and the mom and pop businesses are going to take a pretty hard hit if the tariffs are imposed. Big business will simply pass the cost on to the consumer. Not to mention a few steel companies that depend on foreign imports to make their products.

No they are not! They already took a hit when millions of jobs in small town America were lost because of NAFTA and China trade. You obviously have never worked in manufacturing.

80% of manufacturing jobs were lost to automation and efficiency improvement. Very few actually left the country.

This is why manufacturing output kept going up and up even as manufacturing jobs were being lost.

Well manufacturing jobs are up nicely under Trump.

Under Obama manufacturing output was flat to dropping.

Under Trump, it's come up nicely:

 

[Zorro!]

About time we quit being a microwave society. Short term pain for long term gain. China has been acting like a bunch of cheats for ever, we have to stand up to them. We need to do it in a smart way though. We need to get our allies to punish them as well and not let china just replace us with our allies as trading partners. It use to be a conservative view to look in the long term instead of the short term. Now if we would impliment these views on national debt and taking care of infrastucture I would start to believe that real conservatism is coming back.

Under the current trade deals we have...

the longest period of positive job growth in the history of the country.

the 2nd longest period of economic expansion in the history of the country (will be the longest in 2 months)

record low sustained unemployment

more jobs than people to fill them

record setting financial markets till the trade war started.

Which of these things would you like to get rid of with the new trade deals?

The Chinese reneged on dozens of crucial items at the last moment. I know the Chinese flood the Left wing Universities, the Left wing Think tanks and several Left wing politicians with cash so you feel compelled to carry their water at every opportunity, but Trump is right here.

As Trump and the Chinese were finalizing the trade agreement, at the last minute China had deleted its commitments to change laws to resolve core complaints by the United States:

• theft of U.S. intellectual property and trade secrets;
• forced technology transfers; competition policy;
• access to financial services; and
• currency manipulation.

Trump's not going to put up with that though his response is measured. Last year we purchased $540B in goods from China. Trump didn't tariff all of it, but he did put 10% tariffs on $200B of it, and if the Chinese don't fulfill their previous pledges, those 10% tariffs are going to 25%, and not at a distant date, but THIS Friday.

The Chinese, at the last possible moment, stripped the binding legal language from the draft, removing their binding commitment to change Chinese laws essential to verifying compliance. They are used to US Administrations more interested in the signed deal, the smiles and handshakes for the cameras even if nothing is actually accomplished to further the interests of the US worker.

Trump's not going for that. They are either going to reassess their position or tariffs are going to 25% on less than half of what we purchase from them.

The administration said the latest tariff escalation would take effect at 12:01 a.m. Friday, hiking levees on Chinese products such as internet modems and routers, printed circuit boards, vacuum cleaners and furniture. So if you had your heart set on a Chinese vacuum cleaner, you might want to pick it up tomorrow.

China has backtracked on nearly all aspects of the US draft trade agreement

 

[Harpy Eagle]

If those tariffs go into effect on Friday, expect a very bad week next week for the stock market.

Fuck the Stock Market. Investors with big portfolios do nothing for Main Street USA. I hope they lose their fucking asses...traitors.

Main St. USA and the mom and pop businesses are going to take a pretty hard hit if the tariffs are imposed. Big business will simply pass the cost on to the consumer. Not to mention a few steel companies that depend on foreign imports to make their products.

No they are not! They already took a hit when millions of jobs in small town America were lost because of NAFTA and China trade. You obviously have never worked in manufacturing.

80% of manufacturing jobs were lost to automation and efficiency improvement. Very few actually left the country.

This is why manufacturing output kept going up and up even as manufacturing jobs were being lost.

Well manufacturing jobs are up nicely under Trump.

Under Obama manufacturing output was flat to dropping.

Under Trump, it's come up nicely:

now, lets look at it all together....

 

[Harpy Eagle]

About time we quit being a microwave society. Short term pain for long term gain. China has been acting like a bunch of cheats for ever, we have to stand up to them. We need to do it in a smart way though. We need to get our allies to punish them as well and not let china just replace us with our allies as trading partners. It use to be a conservative view to look in the long term instead of the short term. Now if we would impliment these views on national debt and taking care of infrastucture I would start to believe that real conservatism is coming back.

Under the current trade deals we have...

the longest period of positive job growth in the history of the country.

the 2nd longest period of economic expansion in the history of the country (will be the longest in 2 months)

record low sustained unemployment

more jobs than people to fill them

record setting financial markets till the trade war started.

Which of these things would you like to get rid of with the new trade deals?

The Chinese reneged on dozens of crucial items at the last moment. I know the Chinese flood the Left wing Universities, the Left wing Think tanks and several Left wing politicians with cash so you feel compelled to carry their water at every opportunity, but Trump is right here.

As Trump and the Chinese were finalizing the trade agreement, at the last minute China had deleted its commitments to change laws to resolve core complaints by the United States:

• theft of U.S. intellectual property and trade secrets;
• forced technology transfers; competition policy;
• access to financial services; and
• currency manipulation.

Trump's not going to put up with that though his response is measured. Last year we purchased $540B in goods from China. Trump didn't tariff all of it, but he did put 10% tariffs on $200B of it, and if the Chinese don't fulfill their previous pledges, those 10% tariffs are going to 25%, and not at a distant date, but THIS Friday.

The Chinese, at the last possible moment, stripped the binding legal language from the draft, removing their binding commitment to change Chinese laws essential to verifying compliance. They are used to US Administrations more interested in the signed deal, the smiles and handshakes for the cameras even if nothing is actually accomplished to further the interests of the US worker.

Trump's not going for that. They are either going to reassess their position or tariffs are going to 25% on less than half of what we purchase from them.

The administration said the latest tariff escalation would take effect at 12:01 a.m. Friday, hiking levees on Chinese products such as internet modems and routers, printed circuit boards, vacuum cleaners and furniture. So if you had your heart set on a Chinese vacuum cleaner, you might want to pick it up tomorrow.

China has backtracked on nearly all aspects of the US draft trade agreement

Thanks for not answering the question...lets try again...


Under the current trade deals we have...

the longest period of positive job growth in the history of the country.

the 2nd longest period of economic expansion in the history of the country (will be the longest in 2 months)

record low sustained unemployment

more jobs than people to fill them

record setting financial markets till the trade war started.

Which of these things would you like to get rid of with the new trade deals?

 

[Zorro!]

We need to hit China hard on trade. They are allowed to dump products into the U.S. market place but they have such high tariffs on American made products, their market is close to U.S. companies. Bring jobs back to the USA.
Opinion | Why Trump Is Raising Tariffs on China

Seems crashing the stock market would not help his reelection chances.

The recent buying opportunity in Stocks was more likely due to the Federal Reserve's junk bond warning than China's last minute reneging on Trade Commitments.

New Fed report asserts that record levels of junk loans represent a major U.S. economic risk.

The Fed's latest semi-annual "Financial Stability Report" revealed that risky loans issued to highly leveraged individuals and companies rose by 20 percent in 2018 to $1.15 trillion and now exceed their peak levels reached previously in 2007. Stock prices promptly dipped and the S&P is down about 3% since the news was released.

The FSR disclosed that outstanding high-quality U.S. financial assets have been growing at or below their long-term trend over the last decade. But leveraged loans jumped by 20.1% last year and grew by an average of 15.8% over the last decade.

 

[Zorro!]

Fuck the Stock Market. Investors with big portfolios do nothing for Main Street USA. I hope they lose their fucking asses...traitors.

Main St. USA and the mom and pop businesses are going to take a pretty hard hit if the tariffs are imposed. Big business will simply pass the cost on to the consumer. Not to mention a few steel companies that depend on foreign imports to make their products.

No they are not! They already took a hit when millions of jobs in small town America were lost because of NAFTA and China trade. You obviously have never worked in manufacturing.

80% of manufacturing jobs were lost to automation and efficiency improvement. Very few actually left the country.

This is why manufacturing output kept going up and up even as manufacturing jobs were being lost.

Well manufacturing jobs are up nicely under Trump.

Under Obama manufacturing output was flat to dropping.

Under Trump, it's come up nicely:

now, lets look at it all together....

Sure. 2016 ended on a real down note and manufacturing output shot up nicely in 2017 and shot up even more in 2018.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The recent buying opportunity in Stocks was more likely due to the Federal Reserve's junk bond warning than China's last minute reneging on Trade Commitments.

New Fed report asserts that record levels of junk loans represent a major U.S. economic risk.

The Fed's latest semi-annual "Financial Stability Report" revealed that risky loans issued to highly leveraged individuals and companies rose by 20 percent in 2018 to $1.15 trillion and now exceed their peak levels reached previously in 2007. Stock prices promptly dipped and the S&P is down about 3% since the news was released.

The FSR disclosed that outstanding high-quality U.S. financial assets have been growing at or below their long-term trend over the last decade. But leveraged loans jumped by 20.1% last year and grew by an average of 15.8% over the last decade.

I love how you Trumpians live in your own reality, it is fun as hell to watch.

Trump tweets more attacks on China and talks about more tariffs and the market loses close to 500 points but in your world it has nothing to do with the trade war!

Here is a number for you.

On 22 Jan 2018 Trump issued his first tariffs.

Since that day the DJI is down 0.39%

Since that day the S&P is 2.46%

Since that day the NASDAQ is 11.46%

Pathetic performance all around since the start of the trade war

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Sure. 2016 ended on a real down note and manufacturing output shot up nicely in 2017 and shot up even more in 2018.

There was a downturn in from 15 to 16, it started back up in Q2 of 16 and is now leveled off since about halfway through 2018.

 

[Billy000]

We need to hit China hard on trade. They are allowed to dump products into the U.S. market place but they have such high tariffs on American made products, their market is close to U.S. companies. Bring jobs back to the USA.
Opinion | Why Trump Is Raising Tariffs on China

On the flip side we pay their workers poverty wages and long hours. There’s always some give and take. You can’t just assume China will bend to our every whim. That’s ridiculous.

I don’t want them to bend...I want them to break.

And this will never happen. China and the US
have an interdependent economic relationship whether you like it or not. Meaning, if one falls, so does the other.

 

[Zorro!]

The recent buying opportunity in Stocks was more likely due to the Federal Reserve's junk bond warning than China's last minute reneging on Trade Commitments.

New Fed report asserts that record levels of junk loans represent a major U.S. economic risk.

The Fed's latest semi-annual "Financial Stability Report" revealed that risky loans issued to highly leveraged individuals and companies rose by 20 percent in 2018 to $1.15 trillion and now exceed their peak levels reached previously in 2007. Stock prices promptly dipped and the S&P is down about 3% since the news was released.

The FSR disclosed that outstanding high-quality U.S. financial assets have been growing at or below their long-term trend over the last decade. But leveraged loans jumped by 20.1% last year and grew by an average of 15.8% over the last decade.

I love how you Trumpians live in your own reality, it is fun as hell to watch.

Trump tweets more attacks on China and talks about more tariffs and the market loses close to 500 points but in your world it has nothing to do with the trade war!

Here is a number for you.

On 22 Jan 2018 Trump issued his first tariffs.

Since that day the DJI is down 0.39%

Since that day the S&P is 2.46%

Since that day the NASDAQ is 11.46%

Pathetic performance all around since the start of the trade war

If you don't want to be in the market, then sell. Trump works for MAIN Street, not Wall Street, though both have done very well since his election.

I doubt Trump's backing off on this. China is either going to honor their previous commitments to take effective verifiable steps to curb:

• theft of U.S. intellectual property and trade secrets;

• forced technology transfers; competition policy;

• access to financial services; and

• currency manipulation.

Or the current 10% tariff on less than half of what we import from them is going to 25%. If this scares you out of the stock market, then get the hell out.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The recent buying opportunity in Stocks was more likely due to the Federal Reserve's junk bond warning than China's last minute reneging on Trade Commitments.

New Fed report asserts that record levels of junk loans represent a major U.S. economic risk.

The Fed's latest semi-annual "Financial Stability Report" revealed that risky loans issued to highly leveraged individuals and companies rose by 20 percent in 2018 to $1.15 trillion and now exceed their peak levels reached previously in 2007. Stock prices promptly dipped and the S&P is down about 3% since the news was released.

The FSR disclosed that outstanding high-quality U.S. financial assets have been growing at or below their long-term trend over the last decade. But leveraged loans jumped by 20.1% last year and grew by an average of 15.8% over the last decade.

I love how you Trumpians live in your own reality, it is fun as hell to watch.

Trump tweets more attacks on China and talks about more tariffs and the market loses close to 500 points but in your world it has nothing to do with the trade war!

Here is a number for you.

On 22 Jan 2018 Trump issued his first tariffs.

Since that day the DJI is down 0.39%

Since that day the S&P is 2.46%

Since that day the NASDAQ is 11.46%

Pathetic performance all around since the start of the trade war

If you don't want to be in the market, then sell. Trump works for MAIN Street, not Wall Street, though both have done very well since his election.

I doubt Trump's backing off on this. China is either going to honor their previous commitments to take effective verifiable steps to curb:

• theft of U.S. intellectual property and trade secrets;

• forced technology transfers; competition policy;

• access to financial services; and

• currency manipulation.

Or the current 10% tariff on less than half of what we import from them is going to 25%. If this scares you out of the stock market, then get the hell out.

Under the current trade deals we have...

the longest period of positive job growth in the history of the country.

the 2nd longest period of economic expansion in the history of the country (will be the longest in 2 months)

record low sustained unemployment

more jobs than people to fill them

record setting financial markets till the trade war started.

Which of these things would you like to get rid of with the new trade deals?

 

[Zorro!]

About time we quit being a microwave society. Short term pain for long term gain. China has been acting like a bunch of cheats for ever, we have to stand up to them. We need to do it in a smart way though. We need to get our allies to punish them as well and not let china just replace us with our allies as trading partners. It use to be a conservative view to look in the long term instead of the short term. Now if we would impliment these views on national debt and taking care of infrastucture I would start to believe that real conservatism is coming back.

Under the current trade deals we have...

the longest period of positive job growth in the history of the country.

the 2nd longest period of economic expansion in the history of the country (will be the longest in 2 months)

record low sustained unemployment

more jobs than people to fill them

record setting financial markets till the trade war started.

Which of these things would you like to get rid of with the new trade deals?

The Chinese reneged on dozens of crucial items at the last moment. I know the Chinese flood the Left wing Universities, the Left wing Think tanks and several Left wing politicians with cash so you feel compelled to carry their water at every opportunity, but Trump is right here.

As Trump and the Chinese were finalizing the trade agreement, at the last minute China had deleted its commitments to change laws to resolve core complaints by the United States:

• theft of U.S. intellectual property and trade secrets;
• forced technology transfers; competition policy;
• access to financial services; and
• currency manipulation.

Trump's not going to put up with that though his response is measured. Last year we purchased $540B in goods from China. Trump didn't tariff all of it, but he did put 10% tariffs on $200B of it, and if the Chinese don't fulfill their previous pledges, those 10% tariffs are going to 25%, and not at a distant date, but THIS Friday.

The Chinese, at the last possible moment, stripped the binding legal language from the draft, removing their binding commitment to change Chinese laws essential to verifying compliance. They are used to US Administrations more interested in the signed deal, the smiles and handshakes for the cameras even if nothing is actually accomplished to further the interests of the US worker.

Trump's not going for that. They are either going to reassess their position or tariffs are going to 25% on less than half of what we purchase from them.

The administration said the latest tariff escalation would take effect at 12:01 a.m. Friday, hiking levees on Chinese products such as internet modems and routers, printed circuit boards, vacuum cleaners and furniture. So if you had your heart set on a Chinese vacuum cleaner, you might want to pick it up tomorrow.

China has backtracked on nearly all aspects of the US draft trade agreement

Thanks for not answering the question...lets try again...

Under the current trade deals we have...

the longest period of positive job growth in the history of the country.

the 2nd longest period of economic expansion in the history of the country (will be the longest in 2 months)

record low sustained unemployment

more jobs than people to fill them

record setting financial markets till the trade war started.

Which of these things would you like to get rid of with the new trade deals?

Your premise is flawed, our economic prosperity does not depend on allowing the Chinese to renege on their trade commitments at the last minute.

In the latest draft China deleted its commitments to change laws to resolve core complaints by the United States:

• theft of U.S. intellectual property and trade secrets;
• forced technology transfers; competition policy;
• access to financial services; and
• currency manipulation.

Trump's not going to put up with that though his response is measured. Last year we purchased $540B in goods from China. Trump didn't tariff all of it, but he did put 10% tariffs on $200B of it, and if the Chinese don't fulfill their previous pledges, those 10% tariffs are going to 25%, and not at a distant date, but THIS Friday.

The administration said the latest tariff escalation would take effect at 12:01 a.m. Friday, hiking levees on Chinese products such as internet modems and routers, printed circuit boards, vacuum cleaners and furniture. So if you had your heart set on a Chinese vacuum cleaner, you might want to pick it up tomorrow.

China has backtracked on nearly all aspects of the US draft trade agreement

 

[Harpy Eagle]

About time we quit being a microwave society. Short term pain for long term gain. China has been acting like a bunch of cheats for ever, we have to stand up to them. We need to do it in a smart way though. We need to get our allies to punish them as well and not let china just replace us with our allies as trading partners. It use to be a conservative view to look in the long term instead of the short term. Now if we would impliment these views on national debt and taking care of infrastucture I would start to believe that real conservatism is coming back.

Under the current trade deals we have...

the longest period of positive job growth in the history of the country.

the 2nd longest period of economic expansion in the history of the country (will be the longest in 2 months)

record low sustained unemployment

more jobs than people to fill them

record setting financial markets till the trade war started.

Which of these things would you like to get rid of with the new trade deals?

The Chinese reneged on dozens of crucial items at the last moment. I know the Chinese flood the Left wing Universities, the Left wing Think tanks and several Left wing politicians with cash so you feel compelled to carry their water at every opportunity, but Trump is right here.

As Trump and the Chinese were finalizing the trade agreement, at the last minute China had deleted its commitments to change laws to resolve core complaints by the United States:

• theft of U.S. intellectual property and trade secrets;
• forced technology transfers; competition policy;
• access to financial services; and
• currency manipulation.

Trump's not going to put up with that though his response is measured. Last year we purchased $540B in goods from China. Trump didn't tariff all of it, but he did put 10% tariffs on $200B of it, and if the Chinese don't fulfill their previous pledges, those 10% tariffs are going to 25%, and not at a distant date, but THIS Friday.

The Chinese, at the last possible moment, stripped the binding legal language from the draft, removing their binding commitment to change Chinese laws essential to verifying compliance. They are used to US Administrations more interested in the signed deal, the smiles and handshakes for the cameras even if nothing is actually accomplished to further the interests of the US worker.

Trump's not going for that. They are either going to reassess their position or tariffs are going to 25% on less than half of what we purchase from them.

The administration said the latest tariff escalation would take effect at 12:01 a.m. Friday, hiking levees on Chinese products such as internet modems and routers, printed circuit boards, vacuum cleaners and furniture. So if you had your heart set on a Chinese vacuum cleaner, you might want to pick it up tomorrow.

China has backtracked on nearly all aspects of the US draft trade agreement

Thanks for not answering the question...lets try again...

Under the current trade deals we have...

the longest period of positive job growth in the history of the country.

the 2nd longest period of economic expansion in the history of the country (will be the longest in 2 months)

record low sustained unemployment

more jobs than people to fill them

record setting financial markets till the trade war started.

Which of these things would you like to get rid of with the new trade deals?

Your premise is flawed, our economic prosperity does not depend on allowing the Chinese to renege on their trade commitments at the last minute.

In the latest draft China deleted its commitments to change laws to resolve core complaints by the United States:

• theft of U.S. intellectual property and trade secrets;
• forced technology transfers; competition policy;
• access to financial services; and
• currency manipulation.

Trump's not going to put up with that though his response is measured. Last year we purchased $540B in goods from China. Trump didn't tariff all of it, but he did put 10% tariffs on $200B of it, and if the Chinese don't fulfill their previous pledges, those 10% tariffs are going to 25%, and not at a distant date, but THIS Friday.

The administration said the latest tariff escalation would take effect at 12:01 a.m. Friday, hiking levees on Chinese products such as internet modems and routers, printed circuit boards, vacuum cleaners and furniture. So if you had your heart set on a Chinese vacuum cleaner, you might want to pick it up tomorrow.

China has backtracked on nearly all aspects of the US draft trade agreement

And the current trade deals are not doing a thing to harm our economic prosperity, thus the trade war is unneeded and stupid. Especially starting one with the whole world at the same time instead of getting other countries to help with China.

Here is my prediction for you, in the end the new China/US trade deal will be just like the new NAFTA, a few minor tweaks and a cool new name

 

[Zorro!]

Trump administration forces China to sell the Port of Long Beach

One serious Obama mistake, corrected.

The Obama administration had no problems with OOCL signing a 40-year lease with the City of Long Beach in 2012 for control of America's second largest and most automated container handling operation. The sweetheart deal was part of the "Middle Harbor Redevelopment Program" to fund a $1.5-billion expansion through 2020.

But one of the first major actions of the Trump administration's Department of Homeland Security in March 2017 was issuing a "Committee on Foreign Investment in the U.S." national security hold on Cosco's acquisition of a former U.S. Navy port facility.

Putting Americans First!

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Trump administration forces China to sell the Port of Long Beach

One serious Obama mistake, corrected.

The Obama administration had no problems with OOCL signing a 40-year lease with the City of Long Beach in 2012 for control of America's second largest and most automated container handling operation. The sweetheart deal was part of the "Middle Harbor Redevelopment Program" to fund a $1.5-billion expansion through 2020.

But one of the first major actions of the Trump administration's Department of Homeland Security in March 2017 was issuing a "Committee on Foreign Investment in the U.S." national security hold on Cosco's acquisition of a former U.S. Navy port facility.

Putting Americans First!

Under the Macquarie acquisition terms, Orient Overseas International will pocket a $1.29 billion profit and still control vessel and rail traffic at the container facilities for the next twenty years.

Damn, that will teach them....1.29 billion dollars of profit and control for the next 20 years!

What a win!

 

[Zorro!]

We need to hit China hard on trade. They are allowed to dump products into the U.S. market place but they have such high tariffs on American made products, their market is close to U.S. companies. Bring jobs back to the USA.
Opinion | Why Trump Is Raising Tariffs on China

On the flip side we pay their workers poverty wages and long hours. There’s always some give and take. You can’t just assume China will bend to our every whim. That’s ridiculous.

I don’t want them to bend...I want them to break.

And this will never happen. China and the US
have an interdependent economic relationship whether you like it or not. Meaning, if one falls, so does the other.

Nonsense. There are a lot of 3rd world suppliers like China and only one 1st world consumer market base the size of the United States.

Trump is putting the Chinese genie back in the bottle

Only the left and the anti-Trumpers are insane to empower China to continue its long-term effort to replace the United States as the world's premier superpower even while they pollute the world through their filthy, even by 3rd world standards, manufacturing. You do the world a favor every time you buy from someone who has better environmental standards than China, which is just about anyone.

It is even crazier to fund the Chinese military build up.

For nearly two decades, we have allowed China through currency manipulation, theft of intellectual property, and ridiculous trade imbalances to raid the U.S. economy of trillions of dollars. With these ill gotten gains, China is increasing its influence, expanding its military, bullying its neighbors, and causing problems (or putting itself in a position to cause problems) throughout the world.

Through negotiation and tariffs we shift the profitability out of Chinese bad behavior even as we move to other countries that do not demonstrate China's expansionistic behavior. Reliance on China to meet our technological needs is a fool's errand. Funding Chinese expansionism is a calamitous mistake. Far safer alternatives for outsourcing manufacturing exist. India is but a single example of an ally that could play a far greater role in manufacturing without the risk of strengthening a militaristic, totalitarian regime. It is time to do what is best for America and the free world rather than what is best for multinational globalists the Left and anti-Trumpers carry water for.

 

[idb]

Forcing Americans to pay more for stuff will teach those Chinese a thing or two!
MAGA!

Aren't you the same people that want $15 dollar an hour minimum wages? Isn't that making Americans pay more?

You've got me there...It's much better to pay more taxes...ooops, sorry, tariffs...to the government.

Holy shit. A left winger is upset people have to pay more to the government. Maybe we can just raise taxes on the Chinese and make them pay their fair share.

What would be the Chinese's "fair share"?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

I do remember those days. I also remember the democrats and the weak repubs giving out crap trade deals during that time.

We can win this trade war easily. If people like you can find the balls to fight it. It may hurt short time. Wars are like that. If you don't surrender though you can win and everything gets much better. Let Trump do what he needs to do to fix this and suck it up for a while. If not then we have your surrender letter in your post.

Under the current trade deals we have...

the longest period of positive job growth in the history of the country.

the 2nd longest period of economic expansion in the history of the country (will be the longest in 2 months)

record low sustained unemployment

more jobs than people to fill them

record setting financial markets till the trade war started.

Which of those things would you like the new trade deals to get rid of?

I'd like to see a more fair trade deal that actually opens up the Chinese market for a longer term gain. We aren't going to lose much short term to make major gains long term. Intellectual property, money manipulation, open markets that are closed to us. Those three alone change the entire dynamic which favors us.

And to be honest if we don't let Trump get this done we may never have another president with the balls to not surrender.

Trade deals should be mutually beneficial, not "fair" as fair only exist in the eye of the beholder.

Have we as a nation done well under the current trade deals?

No we haven't. When we allow imports of EU cars with no tariff and ours are hit with massive ones. Not my definition of fair or mutually beneficial. Doesn't fair in trade kind of mean mutually beneficial?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Forcing Americans to pay more for stuff will teach those Chinese a thing or two!
MAGA!

Aren't you the same people that want $15 dollar an hour minimum wages? Isn't that making Americans pay more?

You've got me there...It's much better to pay more taxes...ooops, sorry, tariffs...to the government.

Holy shit. A left winger is upset people have to pay more to the government. Maybe we can just raise taxes on the Chinese and make them pay their fair share.

What would be the Chinese's "fair share"?

How about 10% more than the US charges our own companies in taxes?

 

[Godboy]

All I know is I hate all the PC games nowadays are about USA vs China and on Chinese servers . What the Heck? Battlefield and Flashpoint made first-person shooter title multiplayers on What-If Future wars, fictitious, so you can play 32 player multiplayer in China about hypothetical war?! What?! Great Choice?! lol... Its important education and Historical, no it isn't. Oh lets see you guys got a home near this Chinese river here? that's cool. Looks like there's a 3rd one now, Battlefield 4.