China Is Ready to Challenge U.S. Navy in Pacific

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One old Soviet-made aircraft carrier. :auiqs.jpg:

The US has eleven on active duty, two under construction, two ordered, seven planned, and five that in a pinch could be refitted and returned to active duty.
Just out of curiosity, what are the 5 carriers you think could be refitted and returned to service?
USS Yorktown
USS Intrepid
USS Hornet
USS Lexington
USS Midway

Also possibly the USS John F. Kennedy, slated for dismantlement. Not sure of the status.
You are not up to speed on those I see.

Those first five are museums, not ships! Do you have any idea what it would take to restore one of them instead of building a new ship? Where are you going to get the people who know how to run them? Even the Kennedy is steam powered and the Navy did away with Boiler Technicians years ago.
Less than building a new ship.

"In a pinch" seems alien to you.
 

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One old Soviet-made aircraft carrier. :auiqs.jpg:

The US has eleven on active duty, two under construction, two ordered, seven planned, and five that in a pinch could be refitted and returned to active duty.
Just out of curiosity, what are the 5 carriers you think could be refitted and returned to service?
USS Yorktown
USS Intrepid
USS Hornet
USS Lexington
USS Midway

Also possibly the USS John F. Kennedy, slated for dismantlement. Not sure of the status.
You are not up to speed on those I see.

Those first five are museums, not ships! Do you have any idea what it would take to restore one of them instead of building a new ship? Where are you going to get the people who know how to run them? Even the Kennedy is steam powered and the Navy did away with Boiler Technicians years ago.
Less than building a new ship.

"In a pinch" seems alien to you.
No. You are off the deep end. There is no situation where those actions would be required. Your imagination is running away with you.

You can't make people younger and retrain people on systems that were built by their grandfathers overnight. I could go back and run a steam plant from the 1960s, but I am already near 58 years old. The Chiefs I had are probably already dead, and some of those ships were museums when I first served in the Navy 34 years ago. Those ships are from the 1940s and 50s.

"In a pinch" might as well be "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away".

Where are you going to get these aliens you keep talking about? :D
 

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One old Soviet-made aircraft carrier. :auiqs.jpg:

The US has eleven on active duty, two under construction, two ordered, seven planned, and five that in a pinch could be refitted and returned to active duty.
Just out of curiosity, what are the 5 carriers you think could be refitted and returned to service?
USS Yorktown
USS Intrepid
USS Hornet
USS Lexington
USS Midway

Also possibly the USS John F. Kennedy, slated for dismantlement. Not sure of the status.
You are not up to speed on those I see.

Those first five are museums, not ships! Do you have any idea what it would take to restore one of them instead of building a new ship? Where are you going to get the people who know how to run them? Even the Kennedy is steam powered and the Navy did away with Boiler Technicians years ago.
Less than building a new ship.

"In a pinch" seems alien to you.
No. You are off the deep end. There is no situation where those actions would be required. Your imagination is running away with you.

You can't make people younger and retrain people on systems that were built by their grandfathers overnight. I could go back and run a steam plant from the 1960s, but I am already near 58 years old. The Chiefs I had are probably already dead, and some of those ships were museums when I first served in the Navy 34 years ago. Those ships are from the 1940s and 50s.

"In a pinch" might as well be "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away".

Where are you going to get these aliens you keep talking about? :D
 

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Just out of curiosity, what are the 5 carriers you think could be refitted and returned to service?
USS Yorktown
USS Intrepid
USS Hornet
USS Lexington
USS Midway

Also possibly the USS John F. Kennedy, slated for dismantlement. Not sure of the status.
You are not up to speed on those I see.

Those first five are museums, not ships! Do you have any idea what it would take to restore one of them instead of building a new ship? Where are you going to get the people who know how to run them? Even the Kennedy is steam powered and the Navy did away with Boiler Technicians years ago.
Less than building a new ship.

"In a pinch" seems alien to you.
No. You are off the deep end. There is no situation where those actions would be required. Your imagination is running away with you.

You can't make people younger and retrain people on systems that were built by their grandfathers overnight. I could go back and run a steam plant from the 1960s, but I am already near 58 years old. The Chiefs I had are probably already dead, and some of those ships were museums when I first served in the Navy 34 years ago. Those ships are from the 1940s and 50s.

"In a pinch" might as well be "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away".

Where are you going to get these aliens you keep talking about? :D
So THAT is the alien who can do this? We would need someone like Yoda to do what you claim is possible.
 

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With Ships and Missiles, China Is Ready to Challenge U.S. Navy in Pacific

China’s first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, at sea in April. First launched by the Soviet Union in 1988, it was sold for $20 million to a Chinese investor who said it would become a floating casino, though he was in reality acting on behalf of the People’s Liberation Army Navy.
It's not ready yet. It's preparing to be ready in maybe 10 or 15 years. It doesn't really know how to use its aircraft carriers, the one operational one is so old anyway, it's just being used to help them understand how to build new ones and the tactics they'd use.

Missile wise, as far as I can tell they've developed and put into service missiles that could knock out US Navy ships a long distance from the coast of China. So, they've protected their national integrity first, projecting power further will take them much more time.
^ Rooting for the ChiComs!
And how did you come to this conclusion, exactly?
 

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Just a reminder. Someone in that part of the world was making our Navy ships crash into things
Yes, idiot ship's captains that did not train their crews how to drive the ship!
Yeah, go with that
As a qualified officer of the deck and surface warfare officer, I will go with that because it is the truth and I have them experience to know. How many bridge watches did you stand in the Navy?
 

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Just a reminder. Someone in that part of the world was making our Navy ships crash into things
Yes, idiot ship's captains that did not train their crews how to drive the ship!
Yeah, go with that
As a qualified officer of the deck and surface warfare officer, I will go with that because it is the truth and I have them experience to know. How many bridge watches did you stand in the Navy?
Not a single one. I just have a sense that there's a whole lot of empty ocean out there so the odds of 2 separate modern, computer assisted GPS navigation ships crashing into something as slow as a cargo ship has to be about a hundred trillion to 1. I cannot even imagine that after all the guidance and proximity sensors went off, the crew was still clueless about the imminent impact and just let it happen.
 

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Just a reminder. Someone in that part of the world was making our Navy ships crash into things
Yes, idiot ship's captains that did not train their crews how to drive the ship!
Yeah, go with that
As a qualified officer of the deck and surface warfare officer, I will go with that because it is the truth and I have them experience to know. How many bridge watches did you stand in the Navy?
Not a single one. I just have a sense that there's a whole lot of empty ocean out there so the odds of 2 separate modern, computer assisted GPS navigation ships crashing into something as slow as a cargo ship has to be about a hundred trillion to 1. I cannot even imagine that after all the guidance and proximity sensors went off, the crew was still clueless about the imminent impact and just let it happen.
They were not in an area with a lot of empty ocean. You simply have no idea what you are talking about. In one of those cases, the cargo ship struck the destroyer. Please educate yourself or shut up.
 

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One old Soviet-made aircraft carrier. :auiqs.jpg:

The US has eleven on active duty, two under construction, two ordered, seven planned, and five that in a pinch could be refitted and returned to active duty.
Just out of curiosity, what are the 5 carriers you think could be refitted and returned to service?
USS Yorktown
USS Intrepid
USS Hornet
USS Lexington
USS Midway

Also possibly the USS John F. Kennedy, slated for dismantlement. Not sure of the status.

The Yorktown? It's a damn musuem in North Carolina..


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You do understand what "in a pinch" means, yes?
None of those listed carriers could support modern jet fighters. Pushing aircraft off the pointy end and taking them back of the square end is only a tiny portion of naval air operations at sea.
 

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One old Soviet-made aircraft carrier. :auiqs.jpg:

The US has eleven on active duty, two under construction, two ordered, seven planned, and five that in a pinch could be refitted and returned to active duty.
Just out of curiosity, what are the 5 carriers you think could be refitted and returned to service?
USS Yorktown
USS Intrepid
USS Hornet
USS Lexington
USS Midway

Also possibly the USS John F. Kennedy, slated for dismantlement. Not sure of the status.

The Yorktown? It's a damn musuem in North Carolina..


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You do understand what "in a pinch" means, yes?
None of those listed carriers could support modern jet fighters. Pushing aircraft off the pointy end and taking them back of the square end is only a tiny portion of naval air operations at sea.
He watches "Battleship" and thinks it is a documentary!
 

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Just a reminder. Someone in that part of the world was making our Navy ships crash into things
Yes, idiot ship's captains that did not train their crews how to drive the ship!
Yeah, go with that
As a qualified officer of the deck and surface warfare officer, I will go with that because it is the truth and I have them experience to know. How many bridge watches did you stand in the Navy?
Not a single one. I just have a sense that there's a whole lot of empty ocean out there so the odds of 2 separate modern, computer assisted GPS navigation ships crashing into something as slow as a cargo ship has to be about a hundred trillion to 1. I cannot even imagine that after all the guidance and proximity sensors went off, the crew was still clueless about the imminent impact and just let it happen.
They were not in an area with a lot of empty ocean. You simply have no idea what you are talking about. In one of those cases, the cargo ship struck the destroyer. Please educate yourself or shut up.
Right. And that was even more ridiculous than our ship hitting another one.

There is no way that our guys were in control.of either ship. The ship was being piloted by a hacked computer
 

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Yes, idiot ship's captains that did not train their crews how to drive the ship!
Yeah, go with that
As a qualified officer of the deck and surface warfare officer, I will go with that because it is the truth and I have them experience to know. How many bridge watches did you stand in the Navy?
Not a single one. I just have a sense that there's a whole lot of empty ocean out there so the odds of 2 separate modern, computer assisted GPS navigation ships crashing into something as slow as a cargo ship has to be about a hundred trillion to 1. I cannot even imagine that after all the guidance and proximity sensors went off, the crew was still clueless about the imminent impact and just let it happen.
They were not in an area with a lot of empty ocean. You simply have no idea what you are talking about. In one of those cases, the cargo ship struck the destroyer. Please educate yourself or shut up.
Right. And that was even more ridiculous than our ship hitting another one.

There is no way that our guys were in control.of either ship. The ship was being piloted by a hacked computer
You have zero knowledge about how ships are navigated. Why not just admit that you are a fucked-up conspiracy theorist and get on with life?

I was the CIC watch officer when we once nearly rammed a large container ship south of the Straits of Messina because the radar indicated the ship was about the size of a fishing boat and they were underway with their anchor lights on. That happened in one of those wide open areas you think exist,where we were tracking dozens of surface contacts inside a very busy shipping lane. We spotted it at the last minute and that Officer of the Deck was one of the finest men ever to stand on a ship's bridge. He is now a state senator from Alabama.

The Mk 1 Mod 0 eyeball works. The fact that no one saw this coming is just a testament to the incompetence of the watchstanders, which I have read were not even properly manned. The Captains are being savaged and should be for allowing these tragedies, despite apparent problems with the other vessels.
 

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"Ready to challenge"? What the hell does that even mean? An old hunk of junk Russian aircraft carrier made in 1988 wouldn't even be noticed by the N.Y. Times if a republican wasn't in office.
 

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