China going from 2% electric cars last month to 20% in 2025 to possibly 100% in 2030

[ScienceRocks]

China Aims to Spend at Least $360 Billion on Renewable Energy by 2020

Just think: If Trump can get all of these old, highly one-sided trade agreements with China fixed, then China would be buying everything HERE instead of us there, and WE would have 360 billion to invest in renewable energy!

This isn't a sign of progress by China, the biggest polluters in the world (I know how the Left likes to celebrate ANYONE BUT AMERICA), it is just one more measure of the stupidity of past administrations and the kinds of idiotic trade deals they put together screwing us in favor of other countries.

The GOP, the party of Grand Old Perverts, has turned thumbs down on every infrastructure project in this nation. They won't even approve the money to maintain the existing infrastructure.

The gop wants to transform America into Somalia or some other shit. What a bunch of idiots.

 

[leftwinger]

Why are solar charger panels not embedded into roofs/hoods of every Tesla? You park all day in hot sun in Phoenix.....you could get 10As@48V or whatever? I must be way off? Safety issue? TSA?

 

[Old Rocks]

You are. The best solar panels at present are about 20% efficient, and the best sunlight, high noon in the desert, is only going to give you about 1 kw/hr. So that is 200 watt/hr per hour, max. The batteries in the present Tesla's range from 70 kw/hr to 100 kw/hr. The roof of your house can provide the electricity needed to run a Tesla, the roof of your car cannot.

 

[80zephyr]

LOL 200,000 Tesla's sold this year. Many other companies jumping in on the EV market. 400,000 people waiting in line for their Tesla 3. Toob, you are funny. How many Hydrogen cars sold this year? And Tesla just set a new standard with a semi with 500 miles range pulling an 80,000 lb load. And a roadster super sports car that has over a 600 mile range, and can beat any other street car made.

Why don't you just tell us how polluting lithium mining is? LOL God you freaks are ignorant.

Effects of Mining Lithium | Battery Technology Fundamentals

Some chemicals used in lithium-ion battery production are very rare and exist in tiny quantities. Rare metals are mined in China by passing bags of dirt through several acid baths, leaving behind the rare materials. “Those rare earths amounted to 0.2 percent of what gets pull out of the ground. The other 99.8 percent-now contaminated with toxic chemicals-is dumped back into the environment” (Wade, 2016). Overall, almost every stage of the lithium mining process can lead to harmful environmental effects.

Mark

 

[leftwinger]

You are. The best solar panels at present are about 20% efficient, and the best sunlight, high noon in the desert, is only going to give you about 1 kw/hr. So that is 200 watt/hr per hour, max. The batteries in the present Tesla's range from 70 kw/hr to 100 kw/hr. The roof of your house can provide the electricity needed to run a Tesla, the roof of your car cannot.

Yeah, I have to read more. You are right, solar panels don't seem to put out enough watts yet. This article says 8-250W panels to commute 30 miles in Las Vegas in a Chevy Cobalt. Date of article?

How Many Solar Panels does it take to Charge an Electric Car? - Understand Solar

 

[Old Rocks]

LOL 200,000 Tesla's sold this year. Many other companies jumping in on the EV market. 400,000 people waiting in line for their Tesla 3. Toob, you are funny. How many Hydrogen cars sold this year? And Tesla just set a new standard with a semi with 500 miles range pulling an 80,000 lb load. And a roadster super sports car that has over a 600 mile range, and can beat any other street car made.

Why don't you just tell us how polluting lithium mining is? LOL God you freaks are ignorant.

Effects of Mining Lithium | Battery Technology Fundamentals

Some chemicals used in lithium-ion battery production are very rare and exist in tiny quantities. Rare metals are mined in China by passing bags of dirt through several acid baths, leaving behind the rare materials. “Those rare earths amounted to 0.2 percent of what gets pull out of the ground. The other 99.8 percent-now contaminated with toxic chemicals-is dumped back into the environment” (Wade, 2016). Overall, almost every stage of the lithium mining process can lead to harmful environmental effects.

Mark

Mark, me lad, lithium is not a rare earth.

Lithium Mining - Lithium Mining - The Worldwide Website

Lithium has historically been produced from two sources: brines and hard rock mining. Producing lithium from brines remains the most efficient and cost effective process. The cost-effectiveness of brine operations forced even large producers in China and Russia to develop their own brine sources or buy raw materials from brine producers.

These brines contain lithium derived mainly from the leaching of volcanic rocks and vary greatly in lithium content, largely as a result of the extent to which they have been subject to solar evaporation. They range from highly concentrated lithium deposits in the high altitude salars of Chile, Argentina, Bolivia, Tibet and China where lithium concentrations can be very high; to mid-level brines like Silver Peak, Nevada and Searles Lake, California (a former location of lithium production); to lower concentration brines like the Great Salt Lake, Utah. The lower concentration brines have modest evaporation rates and dilution is constant due to a large volume of fresh water inflow and small lithium concentrations varying between 30 to 60 ppm.

The effectiveness of producing lithium carbonate from salt brines is so favourable that most hard rock mining operations have been priced out of the market. Lithium brines are currently the only lithium source that can support mining without significant other credits from tantalum, niobium, tin etc.

Once the lithium is recovered by-products include saleable compounds such as potash or boron and the chemicals used can be recycled. Lithium recovery from brines may lead to a significant carbon footprint reduction because of a nearly zero-waste mining method.

There are far more rare earth elements used in your tv screens than in batteries or solar panels.

 

[Old Rocks]

You are. The best solar panels at present are about 20% efficient, and the best sunlight, high noon in the desert, is only going to give you about 1 kw/hr. So that is 200 watt/hr per hour, max. The batteries in the present Tesla's range from 70 kw/hr to 100 kw/hr. The roof of your house can provide the electricity needed to run a Tesla, the roof of your car cannot.

Yeah, I have to read more. You are right, solar panels don't seem to put out enough watts yet. This article says 8-250W panels to commute 30 miles in Las Vegas in a Chevy Cobalt. Date of article?

How Many Solar Panels does it take to Charge an Electric Car? - Understand Solar

Yes, no practical way to charge an EV without plugging it in somewhere, either at a charge station or at home. However, some of the new batteries coming online are solid state, and charge in as little as 5 minutes with special charging units. Very much a technology in the very early stages of development.

 

[80zephyr]

LOL 200,000 Tesla's sold this year. Many other companies jumping in on the EV market. 400,000 people waiting in line for their Tesla 3. Toob, you are funny. How many Hydrogen cars sold this year? And Tesla just set a new standard with a semi with 500 miles range pulling an 80,000 lb load. And a roadster super sports car that has over a 600 mile range, and can beat any other street car made.

Why don't you just tell us how polluting lithium mining is? LOL God you freaks are ignorant.

Effects of Mining Lithium | Battery Technology Fundamentals

Some chemicals used in lithium-ion battery production are very rare and exist in tiny quantities. Rare metals are mined in China by passing bags of dirt through several acid baths, leaving behind the rare materials. “Those rare earths amounted to 0.2 percent of what gets pull out of the ground. The other 99.8 percent-now contaminated with toxic chemicals-is dumped back into the environment” (Wade, 2016). Overall, almost every stage of the lithium mining process can lead to harmful environmental effects.

Mark

Mark, me lad, lithium is not a rare earth.

Lithium Mining - Lithium Mining - The Worldwide Website

Lithium has historically been produced from two sources: brines and hard rock mining. Producing lithium from brines remains the most efficient and cost effective process. The cost-effectiveness of brine operations forced even large producers in China and Russia to develop their own brine sources or buy raw materials from brine producers.

These brines contain lithium derived mainly from the leaching of volcanic rocks and vary greatly in lithium content, largely as a result of the extent to which they have been subject to solar evaporation. They range from highly concentrated lithium deposits in the high altitude salars of Chile, Argentina, Bolivia, Tibet and China where lithium concentrations can be very high; to mid-level brines like Silver Peak, Nevada and Searles Lake, California (a former location of lithium production); to lower concentration brines like the Great Salt Lake, Utah. The lower concentration brines have modest evaporation rates and dilution is constant due to a large volume of fresh water inflow and small lithium concentrations varying between 30 to 60 ppm.

The effectiveness of producing lithium carbonate from salt brines is so favourable that most hard rock mining operations have been priced out of the market. Lithium brines are currently the only lithium source that can support mining without significant other credits from tantalum, niobium, tin etc.

Once the lithium is recovered by-products include saleable compounds such as potash or boron and the chemicals used can be recycled. Lithium recovery from brines may lead to a significant carbon footprint reduction because of a nearly zero-waste mining method.

There are far more rare earth elements used in your tv screens than in batteries or solar panels.

My link is from the college of engineering at Ohio State. If you don't think they are correct, You'll have to take it up with them.

Mark

 

[Viacheslav]

However, some of the new batteries coming online are solid state, and charge in as little as 5 minutes with special charging units. Very much a technology in the very early stages of development.

It sounds fantastic for exsample if we need to charge battery with capacity 75 kWh (Tesla 3) in 5 minutes we need to power of charging device 75kWh*3600 = X*300 and X= 75 hWh*3600/300= 900kWh, and this without regard to efficiency.

 

[Old Rocks]

Again, lithium is not a rare earth, nor are the batteries the primary use of the rare earths.

 

[Old Rocks]

However, some of the new batteries coming online are solid state, and charge in as little as 5 minutes with special charging units. Very much a technology in the very early stages of development.

It sounds fantastic for exsample if we need to charge battery with capacity 75 kWh (Tesla 3) in 5 minutes we need to power of charging device 75kWh*3600 = X*300 and X= 75 hWh*3600/300= 900kWh, and this without regard to efficiency.

Unfortunately, the article that stated this did not say how it was done. Here is more recent information;

Toshiba claims 6-minute recharge for new electric-car battery cell

Electric cars pale in comparison to gasoline or diesel-powered cars when it comes to the time presently required to add energy for more driving distance.

Although automakers have begun to curb "range anxiety" with longer-distance electric cars, battery charging times on lengthy road trips remain a hurdle for many buyers.

The fastest "quick charging" stations presently add 200 to 250 miles in roughly half an hour under optimal circumstances, while gasoline or diesel fuel to attain that range can be pumped into a car in a couple of minutes.

DON'T MISS: 2022 Toyota electric car to use solid-state batteries: updated report

Recently, Toshiba claimed its latest electric-car battery cell would provide a full charge in only six minutes.

The Japanese electronics company revealed its next-generation SCiB battery cell, which it said delivers high energy density from a new material that doubles the capacity of the battery anode.

With a battery pack of cells that include this advance, Toshiba said, a compact electric car could spend just six minutes plugged in to gain 200 miles of range.

Still no information on how they were going to achieve that charging rate.

 

[Viacheslav]

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Unfortunately, the article that stated this did not say how it was done. Here is more recent information;

Toshiba claims 6-minute recharge for new electric-car battery cell

Yes, I read this article, but I'd prefer to look at this device, because I think that only the connection will take more than 6 minutes at such values of current.

 

[Old Rocks]

Agreed, but, obviously they have a much faster recharge rate than the present batteries. How much faster in reality, is something that we will have to find out. Seems to validate Goodnough's claims concerning the glass battery, however. And, according to Goodnough, they have not even approached the real potential of that battery yet. Now whether it is applicable to a grid scale battery is also another matter.

 

[elektra]

Based on an opinion piece from another .com site? The internet is great, if you print it they will believe.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Could the reason China is moving towards electric cars is because they are forced to, unable to meet their growing oil demands. China has almost as many driving in their country as the US has people.