China flexing it's muscles

[Uncensored2008]

I will be surprised if there is not some kind of military confrontation very soon....aka China siniking a U.S. Ship or airplane.If such a thing occurs and we do not respond in a most vigorous manner there will be hell to pay.

Beijing may step up drills in South China Sea amid US military tensions

Chinese air force and navy simulated face-to-face encounters with invading aircraft and warships in latest exercises – the same day a US destroyer conducted a freedom of navigation patrol in the contested waters.

www.scmp.com

Now we see this: China seizes Covid-19 advantage in South China Sea

Only problem is that the Wuhan virus is nowhere near contained in China, they and their state run media (MSNBCNN) are lying through their teeth about it.

No doubt..........Yet..................they would have and have no problem with thousands and thousands of deaths.....it would not affect their strength the way it affects ours.....not even to mention we now are seeing more and more military people come down with the virus and some in very critical places ...like Aircraft Carriers..........Commander of aircraft carrier hit by coronavirus outbreak warns Navy 'decisive action' is needed

If this turns out to be a biological attack by China, it should garner a nuclear response. But I suspect our government would cover it up.

I think they are covering it up for now. As one high official aka the defense secretary said recently 'this is not the time for recriminations'

In other words after we have beaten the virus then we will deal with China....I think the U.K. knows also....hence their recent outburst of anger directed at China.

Except that we will beat the virus and NEVER deal with China. Too many American politicians bought off by Beijing.

 

[MacTheKnife]

South China Sea: Chinese Ship Sinks Vietnamese Boat, Detains Crew

A Vietnamese fishing boat with eight crew members on board was sunk after being hit by a Chinese ship near Vietnam's Paracel Islands.

www.breitbart.com

 

[MacTheKnife]

What started as a catastrophe for China is shaping up to be a moment of strategic opportunity, a rare turning point in the flow of history. Suddenly, the protests in Hong Kong, carrying a mortal threat to political stability in the mainland, became a physical impossibility. More important, the pandemic set in motion a global competition, to contain the virus, for which China and the Chinese Communist Party seem uniquely prepared.

As the virus spread to the whole world, it became apparent that Western societies — Beijing’s true rivals — did not have the ability to quickly organize every citizen around a single goal. As opposed to China, which remains to a large extent a revolutionary society, their political systems were built for normal times. Chinese society is a mobilized army, which can quickly drop everything else and march in one direction.

China Wants to Use the Coronavirus to Take Over the World | National Review

The great-power competition has begun in earnest.

www.nationalreview.com

 

[Uncensored2008]

All the trillions spent by the U.S. in building military bases around the world, surrounding both Russia and China, waging war, destroying countries, occupying Iraq and Afghanistan — none of it could protect us from a simple virus! Nor will more trillions wasted on the military industrial complex protect us from the next virus, or ecological disaster, or self-created de-industrialization, or economic depression.

And yet the geniuses here seem to want war with China! How about with Russia too? Shall we reinforce our presence in Syria and Iraq and Afghanistan? Bomb Iran? Invade Venezuela and Cuba and Nicaragua? And those allies of ours in Europe and Asia ... if they want to trade with China and Russia, shall we forbid it? Forbid Nordstream2? Forbid our own companies from selling to and trading with the biggest market in the world?

God, the simple-minded self-destructive stupidity of some of my fellow Americans ... is astounding.

You should use Neville Chamberlain as your alias, you have nothing in common with Paine.

If this is a biological weapon created in a level 4 lab in Wuhan, even if the purpose was to subdue Hong Kong protesters , we are already at war with China. The Wuhan virus has killed nearly twice as many Americans 9-11. If this is a biological weapon, and there is a lot of evidence that it is, then China is waging war on America. Yes, you advise appeasement and capitulation, perhaps become a vassal state and have Beijing manage America, but decent folk see it differently.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

A lot of "If"s there, friend ....

 

[Uncensored2008]

A lot of "If"s there, friend ....

That's how life works.

There is EVIDENCE that the Wuhan virus is a biological weapon, as the CIA reported on Wednesday. Evidence isn't absolute proof. China IS moving to establish itself as the preeminent global power on the back of this biological catastrophe.

 

[charwin95]

What started as a catastrophe for China is shaping up to be a moment of strategic opportunity, a rare turning point in the flow of history. Suddenly, the protests in Hong Kong, carrying a mortal threat to political stability in the mainland, became a physical impossibility. More important, the pandemic set in motion a global competition, to contain the virus, for which China and the Chinese Communist Party seem uniquely prepared.

As the virus spread to the whole world, it became apparent that Western societies — Beijing’s true rivals — did not have the ability to quickly organize every citizen around a single goal. As opposed to China, which remains to a large extent a revolutionary society, their political systems were built for normal times. Chinese society is a mobilized army, which can quickly drop everything else and march in one direction.

China Wants to Use the Coronavirus to Take Over the World | National Review

The great-power competition has begun in earnest.

www.nationalreview.com

You are basing your opinion based from NationalReview. Its just blown out of wack opinions with no location or other place reference.

 

[Likkmee]

I agree. With an oncoming economic depression thanks to Wuhan virus, something else will happen. These conditions usually end up with war breaking out.

I hope they can put it on hold for another 45 daze. The popcorn has a ways to go

 

[charwin95]

You see how quickly this thread was moved....lots of folks do not want to see any discussion regarding how China is a threat.

You and your buddies here are missing something.
1. China’s livelihoods and future depends how good is the US economy. If we go down they go down with us.

2. This Coronavirus here in US is triple whammy for China. Trade war, Coronavirus in China and Coronavirus here in US. Demand of Chinese products are a lot less.

3. China is a threat. Yes. And so is Russia as late as last month Russian bombers and fighter plane was escorted off the coast of Alaska.

 

[charwin95]

All the trillions spent by the U.S. in building military bases around the world, surrounding both Russia and China, waging war, destroying countries, occupying Iraq and Afghanistan — none of it could protect us from a simple virus! Nor will more trillions wasted on the military industrial complex protect us from the next virus, or ecological disaster, or self-created de-industrialization, or economic depression.

And yet the geniuses here seem to want war with China! How about with Russia too? Shall we reinforce our presence in Syria and Iraq and Afghanistan? Bomb Iran? Invade Venezuela and Cuba and Nicaragua? And those allies of ours in Europe and Asia ... if they want to trade with China and Russia, shall we forbid it? Forbid Nordstream2? Forbid our own companies from selling to and trading with the biggest market in the world?

God, the simple-minded self-destructive stupidity of some of my fellow Americans ... is astounding.

You should use Neville Chamberlain as your alias, you have nothing in common with Paine.

If this is a biological weapon created in a level 4 lab in Wuhan, even if the purpose was to subdue Hong Kong protesters , we are already at war with China. The Wuhan virus has killed nearly twice as many Americans 9-11. If this is a biological weapon, and there is a lot of evidence that it is, then China is waging war on America. Yes, you advise appeasement and capitulation, perhaps become a vassal state and have Beijing manage America, but decent folk see it differently.

IF IF IF IF......

Now I see where you are getting the Hongkong conspiracies. Let me start with decent folks. If decent folks believe like you that conspiracies is the bible then there’s no reality or decency left in this country. Decent folks rarely believe conspiracies. That’s a fact.

If this is a biological weapons that China trying to hurt US just like how you and your buddies campaigning very hard. Why didn’t they start here in US? Why not infect US and Hongkong directly?

We got infected because our government Trump failed to protect us. That’s a fact.

.

 

[charwin95]

I will be surprised if there is not some kind of military confrontation very soon....aka China siniking a U.S. Ship or airplane.

If such a thing occurs and we do not respond in a most vigorous manner there will be hell to pay.

Beijing may step up drills in South China Sea amid US military tensions

Chinese air force and navy simulated face-to-face encounters with invading aircraft and warships in latest exercises – the same day a US destroyer conducted a freedom of navigation patrol in the contested waters.

www.scmp.com

Democrats will jump ship and side with the commies as soon as that happens.

Why woulda/shoulda China do that?
Why are you people wants war with China?

 

[MacTheKnife]

You see how quickly this thread was moved....lots of folks do not want to see any discussion .....regarding how China is a threat.

You and your buddies here are missing something.
1. China’s livelihoods and future depends how good is the US economy. If we go down they go down with us.

2. This Coronavirus is here in US is triple whammy for China. Trade war, Coronavirus in China and Coronavirus here in US. Demand of Chinese products are a lot less.

3. China is a threat. Yes. And so is Russia as late as last month Russian bombers and fighter plane was escorted off the coast of Alaska.

'In Washington, there's a lot of talk about how the coronavirus crisis could increase the push for more economic decoupling with China. But the Chinese government is thinking about it in exactly the opposite way. Beijing is preparing to use the crisis to advance China's economic strategy against the US.

The US had better start taking notice.

For three years, the Trump administration has been trying to pressure China to stop its economic aggression and unfair trade practices, using tariffs, negotiations and measures to protect US industries. Beijing has hated this strategy from the start and only reluctantly struck a "Phase One" trade deal that addresses few of these issues.'

How China is planning to use the coronavirus crisis to its advantage

COMMENT: Beijing will use the crisis to advance China's economic strategy against the US.

www.nzherald.co.nz

China will emerge from the coronavirus crisis stronger than the U.S., experts warn

The coronavirus pandemic gripping the globe may have its origins in China, but experts say that current trends indicate the crisis will leave it in a much...

www.marketwatch.com

Opinion | The Coronavirus Pandemic Will Forever Alter the World Order

The U.S. must protect its citizens from disease while starting the urgent work of planning for a new epoch.

www.wsj.com

 

[Likkmee]

I will be surprised if there is not some kind of military confrontation very soon....aka China siniking a U.S. Ship or airplane.If such a thing occurs and we do not respond in a most vigorous manner there will be hell to pay.

Beijing may step up drills in South China Sea amid US military tensions

Chinese air force and navy simulated face-to-face encounters with invading aircraft and warships in latest exercises – the same day a US destroyer conducted a freedom of navigation patrol in the contested waters.

www.scmp.com

Now we see this: China seizes Covid-19 advantage in South China Sea

Only problem is that the Wuhan virus is nowhere near contained in China, they and their state run media (MSNBCNN) are lying through their teeth about it.

No doubt..........Yet..................they would have and have no problem with thousands and thousands of deaths.....it would not affect their strength the way it affects ours.....not even to mention we now are seeing more and more military people come down with the virus and some in very critical places ...like Aircraft Carriers..........Commander of aircraft carrier hit by coronavirus outbreak warns Navy 'decisive action' is needed

If this turns out to be a biological attack by China, it should garner a nuclear response. But I suspect our government would cover it up.

I think they are covering it up for now. As one high official aka the defense secretary said recently 'this is not the time for recriminations'

In other words after we have beaten the virus then we will deal with China....I think the U.K. knows also....hence their recent outburst of anger directed at China.

Except that we will beat the virus and NEVER deal with China. Too many American politicians bought off by Beijing.

It's the conned-sumer who demands China. How many of you have Proto, SK, Mac,Wright or Armstrong tools in the garage ?
Lincoln, Miller or Hobart welders ?
US made work/hiking boots-pants-shirts ?
Knives ? KItchenware ?
Backpacks. Sleeping bags.Tents. Parkas.Rain gear.Fishing reels ?

 

[MacTheKnife]

All the trillions spent by the U.S. in building military bases around the world, surrounding both Russia and China, waging war, destroying countries, occupying Iraq and Afghanistan — none of it could protect us from a simple virus! Nor will more trillions wasted on the military industrial complex protect us from the next virus, or ecological disaster, or self-created de-industrialization, or economic depression.

And yet the geniuses here seem to want war with China! How about with Russia too? Shall we reinforce our presence in Syria and Iraq and Afghanistan? Bomb Iran? Invade Venezuela and Cuba and Nicaragua? And those allies of ours in Europe and Asia ... if they want to trade with China and Russia, shall we forbid it? Forbid Nordstream2? Forbid our own companies from selling to and trading with the biggest market in the world?

God, the simple-minded self-destructive stupidity of some of my fellow Americans ... is astounding.

You should use Neville Chamberlain as your alias, you have nothing in common with Paine.

If this is a biological weapon created in a level 4 lab in Wuhan, even if the purpose was to subdue Hong Kong protesters , we are already at war with China. The Wuhan virus has killed nearly twice as many Americans 9-11. If this is a biological weapon, and there is a lot of evidence that it is, then China is waging war on America. Yes, you advise appeasement and capitulation, perhaps become a vassal state and have Beijing manage America, but decent folk see it differently.

IF IF IF IF......

Now I see where you are getting the Hongkong conspiracies. Let me start with decent folks. If decent folks believe like you that conspiracies is the bible then there’s no reality or decency left in this country. Decent folks rarely believe conspiracies. That’s a fact.

If this is a biological weapons that China trying to hurt US just like how you and your buddies campaigning very hard. Why didn’t they start here in US? Why not infect US and Hongkong directly?

We got infected because our government Trump failed to protect us. That’s a fact.

.

China was very secretive about the virus and it delayed not only America's response but the rest of the world also.

That is why the U.K. is so angry with China
I have not said China intentionally released the virus....what I said was that it cannot be discounted.

If China wanted to introduce it intentionally they would have gone about it in a way that it could not be traced back to China ....at least for awhile anyway...they are not stupid ....to do it in the manner you suggest would have been too overt and invited retalilation.

If it was done intentionally the manner in which it was done is exceedingly clever.

China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says

China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths it’s suffered from the disease, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three U.S. officials.

www.bloomberg.com

Trump Calls Out China’s COVID-19 Disinformation

Chinese diplomats and officials have been spreading a lie about the virus’ origin.

www.defenseone.com

Iranian, Russian, Chinese Media Push COVID-19 ‘Bioweapon’ Conspiracies

Disinformation about the coronavirus is spreading as quickly as the virus, thanks to the usual players.

www.defenseone.com

 

[charwin95]

What started as a catastrophe for China is shaping up to be a moment of strategic opportunity, a rare turning point in the flow of history. Suddenly, the protests in Hong Kong, carrying a mortal threat to political stability in the mainland, became a physical impossibility. More important, the pandemic set in motion a global competition, to contain the virus, for which China and the Chinese Communist Party seem uniquely prepared.

As the virus spread to the whole world, it became apparent that Western societies — Beijing’s true rivals — did not have the ability to quickly organize every citizen around a single goal. As opposed to China, which remains to a large extent a revolutionary society, their political systems were built for normal times. Chinese society is a mobilized army, which can quickly drop everything else and march in one direction.

China Wants to Use the Coronavirus to Take Over the World | National Review

The great-power competition has begun in earnest.

www.nationalreview.com

From your bias link.....
GM, Ford, Fiat, Chrysler closed all their production plants all over US and Canada.
In the meantime China with worst pandemic resume flow of goods across the country.

OF COURSE. OF COURSE. What do you expect?

We are on lock down here on the west coast and other parts of the country. Did our flow of goods stop? No. Even if we go on WW3 flow of goods will NEVER stop. Shipping ports will remain open.


Also. People like me makes our inventory 2 to 6 months ahead based from forecast. So those products that are made in China was completed months ago but I expect shortages of Chinese products in the months ahead.

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[charwin95]

All the trillions spent by the U.S. in building military bases around the world, surrounding both Russia and China, waging war, destroying countries, occupying Iraq and Afghanistan — none of it could protect us from a simple virus! Nor will more trillions wasted on the military industrial complex protect us from the next virus, or ecological disaster, or self-created de-industrialization, or economic depression.

And yet the geniuses here seem to want war with China! How about with Russia too? Shall we reinforce our presence in Syria and Iraq and Afghanistan? Bomb Iran? Invade Venezuela and Cuba and Nicaragua? And those allies of ours in Europe and Asia ... if they want to trade with China and Russia, shall we forbid it? Forbid Nordstream2? Forbid our own companies from selling to and trading with the biggest market in the world?

God, the simple-minded self-destructive stupidity of some of my fellow Americans ... is astounding.

You should use Neville Chamberlain as your alias, you have nothing in common with Paine.

If this is a biological weapon created in a level 4 lab in Wuhan, even if the purpose was to subdue Hong Kong protesters , we are already at war with China. The Wuhan virus has killed nearly twice as many Americans 9-11. If this is a biological weapon, and there is a lot of evidence that it is, then China is waging war on America. Yes, you advise appeasement and capitulation, perhaps become a vassal state and have Beijing manage America, but decent folk see it differently.

IF IF IF IF......

Now I see where you are getting the Hongkong conspiracies. Let me start with decent folks. If decent folks believe like you that conspiracies is the bible then there’s no reality or decency left in this country. Decent folks rarely believe conspiracies. That’s a fact.

If this is a biological weapons that China trying to hurt US just like how you and your buddies campaigning very hard. Why didn’t they start here in US? Why not infect US and Hongkong directly?

We got infected because our government Trump failed to protect us. That’s a fact.

.

China was very secretive about the virus and it delayed not only America's response but the rest of the world also.

That is why the U.K. is so angry with China

Oh I agree. I don’t trust China either. I don’t trust the numbers and the dates coming out from Chinese government.

We our government already knew what is going on since November. You probably heard the information from our intelligence last week that China’s numbers and dates are lies. We have CIA all over the world. WE KNEW what is going on in China. We already knew we don’t trust Chinese government so why should we rely on them?
But we failed to act miserably. Big time.

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[MacTheKnife]

Disaster in motion: 3.4 million travelers poured into US as coronavirus pandemic erupted

Americans are encouraged to continue to heed warnings from health officials as COVID-19 spreads rapidly.

abcnews.go.com

The CDC's coronavirus failure was predicted by its VAPI response

The agency used to be the USA’s global health leader. Then came Trump’s appointees and their deadly arrogance.

www.leafly.com

 

[Vandalshandle]

How's that trade war with the Chinese going for ya? Has China backed down yet?

 

[charwin95]

China and Russia are gaining access and influence all over especially in Middle East, Asia, S. and Central America. Like Russian warship in the Philippines that never seen before. We cannot even make friend with our neighbor like Cuba. Because of trade war China just made Brazil and Argentina a grain power producing countries.


At the same time. Because of Trump We are loosing friends and creating enemies. Because of amateur and incompetent leadership of this country. In a very short years Russia and China will dominate the world if we continue our dumbest, inept and amateur foreign policy.

Russian Warships Arrive in Philippines as Manila Distances Itself From U.S. - The Moscow Times

Three Russian ships docked in Manila, the Philippines for a five-day port call on Monday aimed at improving navy-to-navy relations amid heightened tensions in the South China Sea.

www.themoscowtimes.com

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[Uncensored2008]

All the trillions spent by the U.S. in building military bases around the world, surrounding both Russia and China, waging war, destroying countries, occupying Iraq and Afghanistan — none of it could protect us from a simple virus! Nor will more trillions wasted on the military industrial complex protect us from the next virus, or ecological disaster, or self-created de-industrialization, or economic depression.

And yet the geniuses here seem to want war with China! How about with Russia too? Shall we reinforce our presence in Syria and Iraq and Afghanistan? Bomb Iran? Invade Venezuela and Cuba and Nicaragua? And those allies of ours in Europe and Asia ... if they want to trade with China and Russia, shall we forbid it? Forbid Nordstream2? Forbid our own companies from selling to and trading with the biggest market in the world?

God, the simple-minded self-destructive stupidity of some of my fellow Americans ... is astounding.

You should use Neville Chamberlain as your alias, you have nothing in common with Paine.

If this is a biological weapon created in a level 4 lab in Wuhan, even if the purpose was to subdue Hong Kong protesters , we are already at war with China. The Wuhan virus has killed nearly twice as many Americans 9-11. If this is a biological weapon, and there is a lot of evidence that it is, then China is waging war on America. Yes, you advise appeasement and capitulation, perhaps become a vassal state and have Beijing manage America, but decent folk see it differently.

IF IF IF IF......

Now I see where you are getting the Hongkong conspiracies. Let me start with decent folks. If decent folks believe like you that conspiracies is the bible then there’s no reality or decency left in this country. Decent folks rarely believe conspiracies. That’s a fact.

If this is a biological weapons that China trying to hurt US just like how you and your buddies campaigning very hard. Why didn’t they start here in US? Why not infect US and Hongkong directly?

We got infected because our government Trump failed to protect us. That’s a fact.

.

Moron.