Cherry-picking examples of socialist governments failing does not prove the concept is flawed

[Dan Stubbs]

Like the OP said, there is no pure Democracy/Capitalism or Socialist Republic. They are all blends, just like there was never a pure Communism. There are workable Communist societies like China and Vietnam and oppressive ones like North Korea. It's corruption and big money that infiltrates all of these systems. It comes down to greed for money or power and usually both.

It is possible to have Capitalism and minimize the income disparity that usually results. It just requires the right tax system and government regulations. Rich people always want to keep their money, even if it is more than they and their children can spend in a lifetime. There will always be ignorant people that cannot be educated to do technical jobs. There will always be people caught in unfortunate situations. The government needs to provide a safety net for those people. The government needs to provide training in the trades for those that cannot achieve a college degree.

This is precisely why we need big government and high taxes on the top 1%. Income disparity is what tears a country apart and eventually causes civil war. We need big government to prevent income disparity and large parts of the population being impoverished. More and more of this will occur as menial jobs are automated.

This is why the Trump/GOP tax breaks for the rich are exactly the WRONG thing to be doing.

Facts are pure Commie Nation does not work, and the only way it can is oppression of the will of the people. China, is not Pure, is a form of Socialist level of daily life, Russia, is a Socialist, muilti level government with the level determinded by wealth.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Capitalism’s greatest inherent flaw is that as decades pass, widening income disparity will inevitably get worse. The rich become richer, and the poor become more poor. The middle class shrinks. The only way to prevent this is with government intervention, i.e. socialism. Capitalism of course isn’t a failure - the US would not be the juggernaut it is now if it weren’t for a private market. However, that does not mean the quality of life for most won’t get worse over time.

Socialism is a very broad term. To simplify the definition, it is a concept that involves the people funding (tax revenue) and owning (utilizing) government services. This is why every nation on earth - including the US - has a socialist backbone. Any service the government provides that’s funded by tax revenue and is utilized by the people is socialism.

The definition of socialism has nothing to do with corrupt leadership in a given government. Venezuela is failing because of the country’s leadership. Socialism’s core definition has nothing to do with a dictatorship government.

Nordic countries are social democratic countries. This means more services apply the the well being of the population. These people have the best quality of life according to international polling. That is something that is diminishing in America. However, that doesn’t mean the concept is the antithesis of capitalism. Socialism can be the framework of a capitalist system. Socialism is just needed to make sure a capitalistic system provides benefit to the well being of the population as a whole.

so give us an example of a working one?
Cuba, Vietnam, China, Venzuela, USSR, Eastern Bloc countries, they all failed and had to introduce capitalism...….are you really this stupid?

Denmark, Sweden, Norway...hell most of Western Europe.

False, the Nordic Nations are more economically free, therefor more capitalist, than America. I already pointed that out earlier in the thread, and you totally ignored it in favor of making this blatantly false statement. Even with that in mind, the programs they have which redistribute wealth have forced their tax rates up above 40% and are driving them further into debt.

If you have to ignore facts and lie, then you're arguing for the wrong thing.

 

[Billy000]

Capitalism’s greatest inherent flaw is that as decades pass, widening income disparity will inevitably get worse. The rich become richer, and the poor become more poor. The middle class shrinks. The only way to prevent this is with government intervention, i.e. socialism. Capitalism of course isn’t a failure - the US would not be the juggernaut it is now if it weren’t for a private market. However, that does not mean the quality of life for most won’t get worse over time.

Socialism is a very broad term. To simplify the definition, it is a concept that involves the people funding (tax revenue) and owning (utilizing) government services. This is why every nation on earth - including the US - has a socialist backbone. Any service the government provides that’s funded by tax revenue and is utilized by the people is socialism.

The definition of socialism has nothing to do with corrupt leadership in a given government. Venezuela is failing because of the country’s leadership. Socialism’s core definition has nothing to do with a dictatorship government.

Nordic countries are social democratic countries. This means more services apply the the well being of the population. These people have the best quality of life according to international polling. That is something that is diminishing in America. However, that doesn’t mean the concept is the antithesis of capitalism. Socialism can be the framework of a capitalist system. Socialism is just needed to make sure a capitalistic system provides benefit to the well being of the population as a whole.

so give us an example of a working one?
Cuba, Vietnam, China, Venzuela, USSR, Eastern Bloc countries, they all failed and had to introduce capitalism...….are you really this stupid?

Denmark, Sweden, Norway...hell most of Western Europe.

False, the Nordic Nations are more economically free, therefor more capitalist, than America. I already pointed that out earlier in the thread, and you totally ignored it in favor of making this blatantly false statement. Even with that in mind, the programs they have which redistribute wealth have forced their tax rates up above 40% and are driving them further into debt.

If you have to ignore facts and lie, then you're arguing for the wrong thing.

They are SOCIAL democratic nations. That includes capitalism.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Billy thread is Billy thread.

 

[Lysistrata]

A blend of socialism and capitalism is the only thing that seems to work. Laissez-faire capitalism has been a complete failure in the past and is now skidding once again. It simply does not work to the benefit of society as a whole, yet we are supposed to worship it for some reason. Some religious leaders actually have tried to link capitalism to the Christian faith.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Capitalism’s greatest inherent flaw is that as decades pass, widening income disparity will inevitably get worse. The rich become richer, and the poor become more poor. The middle class shrinks. The only way to prevent this is with government intervention, i.e. socialism. Capitalism of course isn’t a failure - the US would not be the juggernaut it is now if it weren’t for a private market. However, that does not mean the quality of life for most won’t get worse over time.

Socialism is a very broad term. To simplify the definition, it is a concept that involves the people funding (tax revenue) and owning (utilizing) government services. This is why every nation on earth - including the US - has a socialist backbone. Any service the government provides that’s funded by tax revenue and is utilized by the people is socialism.

The definition of socialism has nothing to do with corrupt leadership in a given government. Venezuela is failing because of the country’s leadership. Socialism’s core definition has nothing to do with a dictatorship government.

Nordic countries are social democratic countries. This means more services apply the the well being of the population. These people have the best quality of life according to international polling. That is something that is diminishing in America. However, that doesn’t mean the concept is the antithesis of capitalism. Socialism can be the framework of a capitalist system. Socialism is just needed to make sure a capitalistic system provides benefit to the well being of the population as a whole.

so give us an example of a working one?
Cuba, Vietnam, China, Venzuela, USSR, Eastern Bloc countries, they all failed and had to introduce capitalism...….are you really this stupid?

Denmark, Sweden, Norway...hell most of Western Europe.

False, the Nordic Nations are more economically free, therefor more capitalist, than America. I already pointed that out earlier in the thread, and you totally ignored it in favor of making this blatantly false statement. Even with that in mind, the programs they have which redistribute wealth have forced their tax rates up above 40% and are driving them further into debt.

If you have to ignore facts and lie, then you're arguing for the wrong thing.

They are SOCIAL democratic nations. That includes capitalism.

They're more economically free than America, which means that if you're arguing for their model of "totally Socialism", you're actually arguing for fewer regulations on the economy. Furthermore, you were pointing at them as a citation that "socialism totally, TOTALLY works", when they are, in fact, not Socialist.

I feel as though you didn't even check which post I was replying to, and didn't bother to formulate your response based on the posts in this thread, since most of them have already debunked your argument. Further evidence that you want to talk AT people, NOT have civil discourse, as well as further evidence that you don't care about actual facts.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Very good.

Now learn the difference between social democracy and democratic socialism and you will understand why everyone thinks you're a pinhead.

Yes there is a difference depending on the source. Some sources say they are interchangeable terms. I’ve already defined socialism. Now it’s your turn. What is the difference between the two? Put it in your own words.

The difference is simple to explain and the terms are not interchangeable.

Social democracy is an attempt to create a more equitable society via government redistribution schemes. It tries to soften the inequality of capitalism, it does not seek to abolish the capitalist system of production.

Democratic socialism seeks to abolish the capitalist system of production. It's just that simple.

Yeah you’re right on both definitions. Part of the reason why American social democrats use “democratic socialism” is because “social democrat” sounds like you are referring to the Democratic Party. But okay, yes, i advocate for social democratic principles and not democratic socialism.

They use terms like Democrat Socialism to try and hide the term Socialism. It's like when they changed from liberal to progressives. It's the same thing, it's just that progressive sounds more like they're going forwards.

Obama ran on transforming America, and socialism is what he was talking about. But that begs the question: if you want to transform something, doesn't it mean you don't like the way it is? I mean, if you got married to a short chubby woman and wanted to transform her, you would have her wear high heels all the time, go on a strict diet, wear perfume she would otherwise not wear. In other words, you don't love the woman at all if you want to change everything about her. You should have went to a tall thin woman to marry.

The left doesn't love this country, otherwise they wouldn't be telling us how other places are so great. What I don't understand is why you want to stay here and try to change it. You'd be better off finding that slender tall woman.

The term democratic socialism delineates a difference between revolutionary and a peaceful democratic transition to a socialist system of production.

Obama is not a socialist, he simply wanted to make America great again.

Oh please, he took over most industries in the country including telling health insurance companies HOW THEY WERE ALLOWED TO SPEND THEIR OWN MONEY. But maybe you're right, DumBama was not a socialist, he was a communist.

You don't make America Great Again by forcing people to buy a product they may not be able to afford or want.

 

[Tehon]

he took over most industries in the country

Drama queen

 

[Wyatt earp]

Capitalism’s greatest inherent flaw is that as decades pass, widening income disparity will inevitably get worse. The rich become richer, and the poor become more poor. The middle class shrinks. The only way to prevent this is with government intervention, i.e. socialism. Capitalism of course isn’t a failure - the US would not be the juggernaut it is now if it weren’t for a private market. However, that does not mean the quality of life for most won’t get worse over time.

Socialism is a very broad term. To simplify the definition, it is a concept that involves the people funding (tax revenue) and owning (utilizing) government services. This is why every nation on earth - including the US - has a socialist backbone. Any service the government provides that’s funded by tax revenue and is utilized by the people is socialism.

The definition of socialism has nothing to do with corrupt leadership in a given government. Venezuela is failing because of the country’s leadership. Socialism’s core definition has nothing to do with a dictatorship government.

Nordic countries are social democratic countries. This means more services apply the the well being of the population. These people have the best quality of life according to international polling. That is something that is diminishing in America. However, that doesn’t mean the concept is the antithesis of capitalism. Socialism can be the framework of a capitalist system. Socialism is just needed to make sure a capitalistic system provides benefit to the well being of the population as a whole.

Do you posses one or more college degrees?

Yes

What type of field are you in?
Do you work for a union?
Do you belong to any associations?

Human services
No
No

WOW, that explains a lot..

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[Billy000]

Capitalism’s greatest inherent flaw is that as decades pass, widening income disparity will inevitably get worse. The rich become richer, and the poor become more poor. The middle class shrinks. The only way to prevent this is with government intervention, i.e. socialism. Capitalism of course isn’t a failure - the US would not be the juggernaut it is now if it weren’t for a private market. However, that does not mean the quality of life for most won’t get worse over time.

Socialism is a very broad term. To simplify the definition, it is a concept that involves the people funding (tax revenue) and owning (utilizing) government services. This is why every nation on earth - including the US - has a socialist backbone. Any service the government provides that’s funded by tax revenue and is utilized by the people is socialism.

The definition of socialism has nothing to do with corrupt leadership in a given government. Venezuela is failing because of the country’s leadership. Socialism’s core definition has nothing to do with a dictatorship government.

Nordic countries are social democratic countries. This means more services apply the the well being of the population. These people have the best quality of life according to international polling. That is something that is diminishing in America. However, that doesn’t mean the concept is the antithesis of capitalism. Socialism can be the framework of a capitalist system. Socialism is just needed to make sure a capitalistic system provides benefit to the well being of the population as a whole.

Do you posses one or more college degrees?

Yes

What type of field are you in?
Do you work for a union?
Do you belong to any associations?

Human services
No
No

WOW, that explains a lot..









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Do you not know the difference between HR and human services? Wow.

 

[jasonnfree]

A clip on the biggest myths of socialism. Wonder why the right wing gets all offended and frightened over this word which is grossly misunderstood.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

A clip on the biggest myths of socialism. Wonder why the right wing gets all offended and frightened over this word which is grossly misunderstood.

Maybe because we've seen what socialist programs in our country is doing to us now. We don't need that on steroids.

 

[Rustic]

Capitalism’s greatest inherent flaw is that as decades pass, widening income disparity will inevitably get worse. The rich become richer, and the poor become more poor. The middle class shrinks. The only way to prevent this is with government intervention, i.e. socialism. Capitalism of course isn’t a failure - the US would not be the juggernaut it is now if it weren’t for a private market. However, that does not mean the quality of life for most won’t get worse over time.

Socialism is a very broad term. To simplify the definition, it is a concept that involves the people funding (tax revenue) and owning (utilizing) government services. This is why every nation on earth - including the US - has a socialist backbone. Any service the government provides that’s funded by tax revenue and is utilized by the people is socialism.

The definition of socialism has nothing to do with corrupt leadership in a given government. Venezuela is failing because of the country’s leadership. Socialism’s core definition has nothing to do with a dictatorship government.

Nordic countries are social democratic countries. This means more services apply the the well being of the population. These people have the best quality of life according to international polling. That is something that is diminishing in America. However, that doesn’t mean the concept is the antithesis of capitalism. Socialism can be the framework of a capitalist system. Socialism is just needed to make sure a capitalistic system provides benefit to the well being of the population as a whole.

The problem with you socialist cheerleaders, You want to force that shit on everybody you disagree with knowing that it will not benefit those that do not want it...

 

[Indeependent]

Do you posses one or more college degrees?

Yes

What type of field are you in?
Do you work for a union?
Do you belong to any associations?

Human services
No
No

WOW, that explains a lot..









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Do you not know the difference between HR and human services? Wow.

I highly doubt your answer, coupled with your political POV, is indicative of HR.
Many people in HR can be ruthless when the time is called for.

I presume you encounter many people who are in desperate situations.

 

[Wyatt earp]

A clip on the biggest myths of socialism. Wonder why the right wing gets all offended and frightened over this word which is grossly misunderstood.

You are way to young....socialism was tried in this country at plymouth and james town and failed miserably ...





Plymouth and Jamestown Rejected Socialism as Did We

 

[Wyatt earp]

Do you posses one or more college degrees?

Yes

What type of field are you in?
Do you work for a union?
Do you belong to any associations?

Human services
No
No

WOW, that explains a lot..









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Do you not know the difference between HR and human services? Wow.

Not much of a difference except human service workers can be more easily manipulated...



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[Natural Citizen]

Capitalism’s greatest inherent flaw is that as decades pass, widening income disparity will inevitably get worse.

We don't have capitalism. We haven't had capitalism since the first decade of the 1900s.

What we have is economic interventionism. We have a planned economy, we have a welfare state, we have inflationism, we have central economic planning by a central bank, we have a belief in deficit financing. Our monetary policy is so far removed from capitalism that it's laughable to call it capitalism.

But....but...we get people like you, respectfully speaking, who come along and try to capitalize on it and say oh, we know it, capitalism is so bad, what we need is socialism. Ha.

But we don't have capitalism. What we have is already rather socialist. It's no wonder we have the highest amount of debt out of any country in the entire world.

 

[baileyn45]

Capitalism’s greatest inherent flaw is that as decades pass, widening income disparity will inevitably get worse. The rich become richer, and the poor become more poor. The middle class shrinks. The only way to prevent this is with government intervention, i.e. socialism. Capitalism of course isn’t a failure - the US would not be the juggernaut it is now if it weren’t for a private market. However, that does not mean the quality of life for most won’t get worse over time.

Socialism is a very broad term. To simplify the definition, it is a concept that involves the people funding (tax revenue) and owning (utilizing) government services. This is why every nation on earth - including the US - has a socialist backbone. Any service the government provides that’s funded by tax revenue and is utilized by the people is socialism.

The definition of socialism has nothing to do with corrupt leadership in a given government. Venezuela is failing because of the country’s leadership. Socialism’s core definition has nothing to do with a dictatorship government.

Nordic countries are social democratic countries. This means more services apply the the well being of the population. These people have the best quality of life according to international polling. That is something that is diminishing in America. However, that doesn’t mean the concept is the antithesis of capitalism. Socialism can be the framework of a capitalist system. Socialism is just needed to make sure a capitalistic system provides benefit to the well being of the population as a whole.

I'm sure this has already been addressed, but cherry picking? You must be kidding. That would be one hell of a prolific cherry tree.

 

[Billy000]

Yes

What type of field are you in?
Do you work for a union?
Do you belong to any associations?

Human services
No
No

WOW, that explains a lot..









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Do you not know the difference between HR and human services? Wow.

Not much of a difference except human service workers can be more easily manipulated...



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You have no idea what you are talking whatsoever.

 

[Wyatt earp]

What type of field are you in?
Do you work for a union?
Do you belong to any associations?

Human services
No
No

WOW, that explains a lot..









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Do you not know the difference between HR and human services? Wow.

Not much of a difference except human service workers can be more easily manipulated...



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You have no idea what you are talking whatsoever.

Oh please.... I know exactly what I am talking about , thats why in one county alone in Mississippi 80% of the residents are on disability " for back pain"


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