Chemistry Expert: Carbon Dioxide Can’t Cause Global Warming

isn't that most often always the case? It isn't due to CO2, it's due to warm tropical air carried northward. You finally get it. No CO2 issue.
Moving existing air around the planet will not cause the planet's average temperature to rise or fall. The Polar Vortex and the Rossby Waves that cause it have no effect at all on global temperature.
 
The ocean is heated in several ways. It absorbs the visible light coming from the sun. IR backscatter from CO2 in the atmosphere is absorbed in a thin layer at the ocean's surface. Some of that heat is mixed deeper but the major process here is that the warming of the very surface of the ocean prevents heat from lower depths from radiating away. And the ocean is heated by conduction and convection from the warm air. I'm afraid the author of this piece, Dr Mark Imisides, has zero experience with atmospheric chemistry or physics.
 
The ocean is heated in several ways. It absorbs the visible light coming from the sun. IR backscatter from CO2 in the atmosphere is absorbed in a thin layer at the ocean's surface. Some of that heat is mixed deeper but the major process here is that the warming of the very surface of the ocean prevents heat from lower depths from radiating away. And the ocean is heated by conduction and convection from the warm air. I'm afraid the author of this piece, Dr Mark Imisides, has zero experience with atmospheric chemistry or physics.
BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Your ignorance is stunning...
In a nutshell, LWIR is incapable of directly warming earth's oceans. (Long Wave Infrared Radiation)

How can this be? It's actually very simple and my friends over at NOAA don't appear to have a grasp on why it cannot happen.

First let's look at the path energy takes from a higher (more excited) molecule to a lower (less excited) molecule. There are two direct methods of energy transfer, radiation and collision. Radiation is the wave of energy propagated outward. Collison is contact transfer of energy.

Anything that can impede these paths can slow or stop energy transfer. This means we must know how each molecule can receive its energy or transmit its energy. In the case of our oceans the WAVELENGTH is imperative to know. How deep into our ocean's energy can penetrate is dependent on its wavelength and the energy it contains.

Below is a graph that shows the Down-Welling Solar Radiation and how it affects our oceans. This can only come from the sun.

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Source: Practical Handbook of Marine Science (routledgehandbooks.com)

The most important thing to look at in this graph is the regions of our oceans that are affected and to what depths they are affected. Does it affect 100m, 10m, 1m, 1cm, or just the surface area? Long Wave Infra-Red radiation starts at about 1.1um and goes out to around 60um. The majority of LWIR is from reradiated energy by the surface or the atmosphere, it does not come from the sun.

This graph above is of Down Welling Solar Radiation and Long Wave Infrared Radiation is to the right as its wavelength is much longer. The next graph shows both the DWSR and LWIR bands of energy. You will also note the eV or energy of oscillations is on the graph below in relation to the wavelength as well. You can see why DWSR will affect the oceans much faster due to the eV (energy) of the wavelength, whereas LWIR has very little energy.


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The next thing we are to look at is the ocean and what barriers there are to its absorption. The evaporation layer or 'skin' of the ocean is about 10 microns in depth. The next layer is a thermocline barrier, which is cooler than the skin and is about 150-160 microns in depth. Remember these masses, as it is important to "mixing" due to wave action and what it is capable of.

Convection and Conduction cannot heat the oceans to depth. The skin of the ocean prevents this.
Only a very narrow band of Downward Solar Radiation (DWSR) is capable of penetrating the oceans.

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The cooler region below the evaporation layer must be warmed if it is to defeat it. This means that the mass of water in the 10-micron region must amass enough energy to warm a region 15 times its size. We could get into the math here but for laymen it is very evident that this cannot warm it. There is simply insufficient energy to warm the mass being emitted from our atmosphere. Evaporation will not allow a buildup of energy in this layer.

Knowing that energy cannot build up in the evaporation layer, it tells us that even with wave mixing of these layers the amount of potential warming is in the margin of being undetectable, if at all. The 'Thermal Surface Layer' (TSL) is the combination of the evaporation layer and the thermocline barrier.

In Conclusion:

LWIR cannot directly warm the ocean by emission.
*The radiated wave propagated is too large, to get beyond the skin layer of our oceans.
*The evaporation, which occurs in this layer, impedes the buildup of energy and heat in this layer.
*The cooler layer just below the skin layer is colder than the skin layer. This is a thermocline barrier to downward LWIR energy.
*Mixing of the layers, without an increase in temperature or energy, fails to warm the ocean to any discernable degree.
*Due to the thermal gradient and evaporation, convection is nearly impossible.

LWIR must use another mode to transfer its energy through collision and conduction. Rain is the primary transport mechanism moving energy from LWIR in our atmosphere, into the ocean.
*Without the Mid-Tropospheric hot spot, as postulated by the Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming Hypothesis, rain temperatures cannot increase enough to affect the oceans. It is imperative to find out what the natural cycles and temperatures were in rain fall. Looking at the paleo records, our current temperatures, in rain, are within the range of natural variational cycles. This is one area we must quantify as it changes with latitude and humidity levels.

It remains to be seen what LWIR can actually do to our oceans. Thermal uptake is limited due to the ocean's evaporation layer and the thermocline barrier just below it. The mass of the skin is insufficient to warm the mass of the thermocline barrier even with wind, waves, and mixing. What we are left with is rain and runoff from our continents.

Our global circulation models all fail with 100% certainty. Why? Is the current understanding flawed? Our models generate 10 times more warming than is seen in empirical evidence. Why? Where is this energy miscalculated? Just maybe we need to step back and look at what we believe to be true.







Quote:It is, however, not clear how the greenhouse effect directly affects the ocean's heat uptake in the upper 700 m of the ocean. This is because the penetration depth of IR radiation in water is within submillimeter scales (Figure 1) thereby implying that the incident longwave radiation does not directly heat the layers beyond the top submillimeter of the ocean surface. The objective of this study is therefore to understand and provide an explanation of how increasing levels of anthropogenic GHGs in the atmosphere, which raises the amounts of incident longwave radiation on the ocean surface, causes the upper OHC to rise. Furthermore, at submillimeter scales below the air-sea interface, the mechanism for the transport of heat is through molecular conduction and not by turbulence (e.g., Soloviev & Lukas, 2014). Given the mean vertical temperature gradient of the TSL, heat typically flows from the ocean to the atmosphere, therefore heat from the absorption of longwave radiation will be conducted upward, back to the sea surface. This raises questions about the cause of the observed increase in upper OHC as it suggests that all heat due to the absorption of increased longwave radiation should be concentrated in the upper submillimeter from the interface. We hypothesize that variations in the temperature gradient within the TSL, which is directly affected by the absorption and emission of longwave radiation, modulates the amount of heat loss from the air-sea interface.




The Response of the Ocean Thermal Skin Layer to Variations in Incident Infrared Radiation - Wong - 2018 - Journal of Geophysical Research: Oceans - Wiley Online Library
 
I dare crick to do this experiment...

AN easy demonstration you can do on your kitchen table on how an evaporation layer will keep the water from warming up.

Take a cake dish 9x13. Fill it with water. Place a thermometer in one end of it. check the reading and write it down. Now take a hair dryer and blow it across the top of the water for 10 minuets. Be careful not to heat the thermometer directly or the pan. Now check the reading again.

Most hair dryers are 1,100 watts on high. You will find little or no change in the temperature. Depending on how warm the water is, it may even cool.

The thermal column progression is upward and not downward. Evaporation of the water keeps the layers below it cooler.

Now repeat this with water at 100 degrees. use the hair dryer on it again. You will drop about 10-15 degrees F. once again evaporation will cool the pan and it will also keep the energy from going into the water.
 
Moving existing air around the planet will not cause the planet's average temperature to rise or fall. The Polar Vortex and the Rossby Waves that cause it have no effect at all on global temperature.
BWHAAAAAAA where do you get this crap?

Tell me Crick what is a thermal column? Distribution of the airmasses directly affects the global average temperature... If the air mass is cooler, the warmer surface will cool....
 
Moving existing air around the planet will not cause the planet's average temperature to rise or fall. The Polar Vortex and the Rossby Waves that cause it have no effect at all on global temperature.
you said that with a straight face didn't you? There is no way to have a conversation with the likes of you due to your pure ignorance to the way the globe works. If you think when it is 90 degrees in Michigan, in April, because the heat in Texas left, is fking fantastic. Are you suggesting Texas dropped to 30 degrees? Hahahahahahhhahahahaha
 
BWHAAAAAAA where do you get this crap?

Tell me Crick what is a thermal column? Distribution of the airmasses directly affects the global average temperature... If the air mass is cooler, the warmer surface will cool....
Descirbe for us a sustainable pattern of air movement that would increase or decrease average global temperature.
 

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