Charles Koch's great big lie.

[Sonny Clark]

If it's not about money, then could it be about power, egos, influence, some form of self-service, or maybe the attention? What motive, other than money drives them?

Since when is making money and being your own boss evil?

I have never considered making money evil, never. And, I've been my own boss a couple of times, and it was fun, pleasant, and very rewarding. What's your point, may I ask? And, who said making money was evil, and that being one's own boss was evil?

You are the one who suggested that it might be if it wasn't money that they were after.

Nope. I didn't suggest anything. I merely asked questions.

Your question
What motive other than money drives them?
Answer Entrepreneurship for all Americans who wish to do so without government policies getting in the way.

I See ... So, you know them personally? You're on a first name basis with them? I imagine that you've had many long and interesting chats with them over the years, right? If not, then you must be guessing as to what their true motives are, right?

 

[peach174]

What defense does he need other than he is an American citizen, and he has the right to petition his government for a redress of grievances....and the protection to express his political views....

of course......to a leftist...there is no such freedom.....

There is such freedom to a leftist, but only if you're a leftist. If you're a leftist you not only have the right to petition our government for a redress of grievances, but the right to riot, trash and burn cities, shit on cop cars and make threats of terrorism.

How exactly do you define a leftist? Is it the same as a liberal? A Democrat? A progressive? The right wingers have such a wide range of ways to describe people who don't agree with them, but it's hard to know exactly how each term differs from the others, if they differ at all.

For me it's Socialist Liberals in both parties who use the word liberal or progressive to hide behind their political ideology of socialism.
None of them would be elected if they used the word socialist.
The reason that they can't get full socialism is because of our Constitution and that is why they want to get rid of it.

 

[Marxist]

What defense does he need other than he is an American citizen, and he has the right to petition his government for a redress of grievances....and the protection to express his political views....

of course......to a leftist...there is no such freedom.....

There is such freedom to a leftist, but only if you're a leftist. If you're a leftist you not only have the right to petition our government for a redress of grievances, but the right to riot, trash and burn cities, shit on cop cars and make threats of terrorism.

How exactly do you define a leftist? Is it the same as a liberal? A Democrat? A progressive? The right wingers have such a wide range of ways to describe people who don't agree with them, but it's hard to know exactly how each term differs from the others, if they differ at all.

For me it's Socialist Liberals in both parties who use the word liberal or progressive to hide behind their political ideology of socialism.
None of them would be elected if they used the word socialist.
The reason that they can't get full socialism is because of our Constitution and that is why they want to get rid of it.

Yeah, this nations irrational hatred against socialism may be the reason why

 

[peach174]

Since when is making money and being your own boss evil?

I have never considered making money evil, never. And, I've been my own boss a couple of times, and it was fun, pleasant, and very rewarding. What's your point, may I ask? And, who said making money was evil, and that being one's own boss was evil?

You are the one who suggested that it might be if it wasn't money that they were after.

Nope. I didn't suggest anything. I merely asked questions.

Your question
What motive other than money drives them?
Answer Entrepreneurship for all Americans who wish to do so without government policies getting in the way.

I See ... So, you know them personally? You're on a first name basis with them? I imagine that you've had many long and interesting chats with them over the years, right? If not, then you must be guessing as to what their true motives are, right?

No
It is what their actions have done.

 

[2aguy]

What defense does he need other than he is an American citizen, and he has the right to petition his government for a redress of grievances....and the protection to express his political views....

of course......to a leftist...there is no such freedom.....

There is such freedom to a leftist, but only if you're a leftist. If you're a leftist you not only have the right to petition our government for a redress of grievances, but the right to riot, trash and burn cities, shit on cop cars and make threats of terrorism.

How exactly do you define a leftist? Is it the same as a liberal? A Democrat? A progressive? The right wingers have such a wide range of ways to describe people who don't agree with them, but it's hard to know exactly how each term differs from the others, if they differ at all.

For me it's Socialist Liberals in both parties who use the word liberal or progressive to hide behind their political ideology of socialism.
None of them would be elected if they used the word socialist.
The reason that they can't get full socialism is because of our Constitution and that is why they want to get rid of it.

Yeah, this nations irrational hatred against socialism may be the reason why

Irrational......if you call uncovering mass murder to the tune of 100 million people an irrational fear of socialism...you are delusional......

 

[peach174]

What defense does he need other than he is an American citizen, and he has the right to petition his government for a redress of grievances....and the protection to express his political views....

of course......to a leftist...there is no such freedom.....

There is such freedom to a leftist, but only if you're a leftist. If you're a leftist you not only have the right to petition our government for a redress of grievances, but the right to riot, trash and burn cities, shit on cop cars and make threats of terrorism.

How exactly do you define a leftist? Is it the same as a liberal? A Democrat? A progressive? The right wingers have such a wide range of ways to describe people who don't agree with them, but it's hard to know exactly how each term differs from the others, if they differ at all.

For me it's Socialist Liberals in both parties who use the word liberal or progressive to hide behind their political ideology of socialism.
None of them would be elected if they used the word socialist.
The reason that they can't get full socialism is because of our Constitution and that is why they want to get rid of it.

Yeah, this nations irrational hatred against socialism may be the reason why

Irrational?
Socialism is what kills its citizens and takes away their freedom and hinders companies growth.

 

[Care4all]

There is , up to a certain point, your statement is agreeable. However, when the Governor of Wisconsin was fooled by someone pretending to be one of the Koch brothers, that is what makes it completely different.\
When the average citizen and get the ear of their Governor for that length of time, then we have equal representation.
Also on another thought, when Citizens United is overturned by the Supreme Court of the United States, then we this country will making the right move to give EVERY citizen the same rights to petition their government and their representative, at all levels.

What defense does he need other than he is an American citizen, and he has the right to petition his government for a redress of grievances....and the protection to express his political views....

of course......to a leftist...there is no such freedom.....

If Citizens United is overturned then it is silencing the rights of every citizen.

No it isn't, what makes you say that??

 

[Dante]

What defense does he need other than he is an American citizen, and he has the right to petition his government for a redress of grievances....and the protection to express his political views....

of course......to a leftist...there is no such freedom.....

There is such freedom to a leftist, but only if you're a leftist. If you're a leftist you not only have the right to petition our government for a redress of grievances, but the right to riot, trash and burn cities, shit on cop cars and make threats of terrorism.

How exactly do you define a leftist? Is it the same as a liberal? A Democrat? A progressive? The right wingers have such a wide range of ways to describe people who don't agree with them, but it's hard to know exactly how each term differs from the others, if they differ at all.

2aguy

?

 

[bendog]

Setting up the OP as you did pretty much ensures there's no honest debate on what the Kochs intend.

 

[2aguy]

the left/democrats/progressives all share the belief that problems are best solved by the government....and that each problem that comes up needs a corresponding government agency and action to deal with it......no problem is too small for the government to handle....and they also share a belief that people who oppose the government handling whatever problem it is hate the people the government is trying to help..and in fact don't want to help them since they don't want the government in charge of helping them.....

The left/democrats/progressives want the government big....and in control.....and they will smash anyone who gets in the way of that agenda.....

 

[Care4all]

Yes, oh yes, the Koch Brothers know what is best for us ALL... of course they do...they have money and made money so they MUST know what is best for us... we must let them use their money to buy the politicians off... (BULL CRUD) BIG sigh...





"You can not serve two masters, you either love one and hate the other or favor one and not the other...you can not serve both Money (Mammon) and God..."

 

[peach174]

There is , up to a certain point, your statement is agreeable. However, when the Governor of Wisconsin was fooled by someone pretending to be one of the Koch brothers, that is what makes it completely different.\
When the average citizen and get the ear of their Governor for that length of time, then we have equal representation.
Also on another thought, when Citizens United is overturned by the Supreme Court of the United States, then we this country will making the right move to give EVERY citizen the same rights to petition their government and their representative, at all levels.

What defense does he need other than he is an American citizen, and he has the right to petition his government for a redress of grievances....and the protection to express his political views....

of course......to a leftist...there is no such freedom.....

If Citizens United is overturned then it is silencing the rights of every citizen.

No it isn't, what makes you say that??

What is the difference between Unions and Corporations?
None
If it is leagal for Unions, it is legal for Corporations.
They are all citizens (unions and corporations) who are voicing their opinions and backing the people who they want to vote for, as quoted by boilermaker55 - to give EVERY citizen the same rights to petition their government and their representative, at all levels.

 

[2aguy]

There is , up to a certain point, your statement is agreeable. However, when the Governor of Wisconsin was fooled by someone pretending to be one of the Koch brothers, that is what makes it completely different.\
When the average citizen and get the ear of their Governor for that length of time, then we have equal representation.
Also on another thought, when Citizens United is overturned by the Supreme Court of the United States, then we this country will making the right move to give EVERY citizen the same rights to petition their government and their representative, at all levels.

What defense does he need other than he is an American citizen, and he has the right to petition his government for a redress of grievances....and the protection to express his political views....

of course......to a leftist...there is no such freedom.....

If Citizens United is overturned then it is silencing the rights of every citizen.

No it isn't, what makes you say that??

What is the difference between Unions and Corporations?
None
If it is leagal for Unions, it is legal for Corporations.
They are all citizens (unions and corporations) who are voicing their opinions and backing the people who they want to vote for, as quoted by boilermaker55 - to give EVERY citizen the same rights to petition their government and their representative, at all levels.

And of course they don't realize that the biggest donors in the country are the unions...far and above everyone else.....

 

[Wry Catcher]

I agree, the Koch's are not about wanting or needing more money. They lust for Power.

 

[2aguy]

9 out of the top 10 political donors....gave vastly more money to democrats.....and they are almost all unions............

See, the problem is........they only want unions to be able to give money..........letting other people who might give it to republicans kind of defeats the purpose of controlling the lives of other people....


The much reviled Goldman Sachs....gave more money to democrats......

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[Sonny Clark]

I have never considered making money evil, never. And, I've been my own boss a couple of times, and it was fun, pleasant, and very rewarding. What's your point, may I ask? And, who said making money was evil, and that being one's own boss was evil?

You are the one who suggested that it might be if it wasn't money that they were after.

Nope. I didn't suggest anything. I merely asked questions.

Your question
What motive other than money drives them?
Answer Entrepreneurship for all Americans who wish to do so without government policies getting in the way.

I See ... So, you know them personally? You're on a first name basis with them? I imagine that you've had many long and interesting chats with them over the years, right? If not, then you must be guessing as to what their true motives are, right?

No
It is what their actions have done.

Well, their actions have been well publicized, no secrets there. I was referring to their intent and motives ... which are entirely different from their actions. So, again, do you know for sure what their real motives are behind their contributions?

 

[peach174]

Yes, oh yes, the Koch Brothers know what is best for us ALL... of course they do...they have money and made money so they MUST know what is best for us... we must let them use their money to buy the politicians off... (BULL CRUD) BIG sigh...





"You can not serve two masters, you either love one and hate the other or favor one and not the other...you can not serve both Money (Mammon) and God..."

Then you should also be against Soros and Bill Gates,

 

[Wry Catcher]

There is , up to a certain point, your statement is agreeable. However, when the Governor of Wisconsin was fooled by someone pretending to be one of the Koch brothers, that is what makes it completely different.\
When the average citizen and get the ear of their Governor for that length of time, then we have equal representation.
Also on another thought, when Citizens United is overturned by the Supreme Court of the United States, then we this country will making the right move to give EVERY citizen the same rights to petition their government and their representative, at all levels.

What defense does he need other than he is an American citizen, and he has the right to petition his government for a redress of grievances....and the protection to express his political views....

of course......to a leftist...there is no such freedom.....

If Citizens United is overturned then it is silencing the rights of every citizen.

No it isn't, what makes you say that??

What is the difference between Unions and Corporations?
None
If it is leagal for Unions, it is legal for Corporations.
They are all citizens (unions and corporations) who are voicing their opinions and backing the people who they want to vote for, as quoted by boilermaker55 - to give EVERY citizen the same rights to petition their government and their representative, at all levels.

And of course they don't realize that the biggest donors in the country are the unions...far and above everyone else.....

Union exist to keep employers in check. Need evidence, read some history.

How do you know Union are the diggest donors in the country, and why should anyone believe you. Provide credible and probative evidence.

 

[2aguy]

Here you are...I just posted it but this is just for you asshole....

Please...look at how many unions there are and how much they give to democrats.....and soros is in the top 20......notice where the Koch brothers are....

soros is 19

The Koch brothers....50

and again....all those unions giving all that money..........you should really be more concerned about that kind of corruption...since they give so much more than anyone else.....

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[peach174]

You are the one who suggested that it might be if it wasn't money that they were after.

Nope. I didn't suggest anything. I merely asked questions.

Your question
What motive other than money drives them?
Answer Entrepreneurship for all Americans who wish to do so without government policies getting in the way.

I See ... So, you know them personally? You're on a first name basis with them? I imagine that you've had many long and interesting chats with them over the years, right? If not, then you must be guessing as to what their true motives are, right?

No
It is what their actions have done.

Well, their actions have been well publicized, no secrets there. I was referring to their intent and motives ... which are entirely different from their actions. So, again, do you know for sure what their real motives are behind their contributions?

Yes
Promoting Entrepreneurs for this country.