CDCs “confusing” messaging on vaccines.

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

A couple of months ago Fauci was on tv talking about how effective the vaccines were. He still wants to claim that. With the caveat that, oh yeah, you’ll have to wear masks even with the vaccine. Last week we had Biden telling us in a press conference that the vaccine will protect us from infection. Huh, well that didn’t last long.

This is the primary reason why there is so much skepticism about COVID in general. They keep shifting the goal posts and the science has been politicized, so it's hard for many people to believe what they're being told.

 

[colfax_m]

This is the primary reason why there is so much skepticism about COVID in general. They keep shifting the goal posts and the science has been politicized, so it's hard for many people to believe what they're being told.

Situations keep changing. I don't know why everyone expects the CDC to know perfectly what to do at all times. It's a new virus, new information. Things change. That's life.

 

[WEATHER53]

Entire policy oriented toward confusion by design as that increases fear factor.
Fauci now Downplaying Corona and hyping Delta. He will say anything. This dweeb has Serious spotlight issues

 

[postman]

A couple of months ago Fauci was on tv talking about how effective the vaccines were. He still wants to claim that. With the caveat that, oh yeah, you’ll have to wear masks even with the vaccine. Last week we had Biden telling us in a press conference that the vaccine will protect us from infection. Huh, well that didn’t last long.

Same thing happened to the M1A1 Abrams tank. When it was fielded they said that it was 100% effective against the Soviet Tanks.

But as the Russians developed different variants, we found the M1A1 wasn't 100% any more, and we had to add an outside armor "mask" (reactive armor).

No difference.

 

[postman]

It's not that hard to keep up.... yeah... like the mortality rate is extremely low.

I wished they used those numbers when people were serving in Vietnam. The overall mortality rate (less than 50,000 over 10 years) compared to the 500,000 a year from the coronavirus.

 

[WEATHER53]

I wished they used those numbers when people were serving in Vietnam. The overall mortality rate (less than 50,000 over 10 years) compared to the 500,000 a year from the coronavirus.

30-35000 is the CDC factual tally and not the emotional fear factor hype of 500k+

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I wished they used those numbers when people were serving in Vietnam. The overall mortality rate (less than 50,000 over 10 years) compared to the 500,000 a year from the coronavirus.

Why do so many of you keep using that number?
The CDC admitted last year that the "number of deaths" listed included deaths of other causes, but listed Covid as comorbidity. Not Covid... but oh..they also had cancer. But cancer..and oh.. they also had covid.
There are a number of decent articles on this by legitimate sources.
500,000 people have not died from Covid. That is simply not true. It fogs my mind why this number, to this day, is still used by the CDC despite their admittance that those included above.
To note... I am not a "6%'er"... that was an erroneous claim made by Trump/Kirk/Carlson etc. that is equally wrong and still repeated today also.

 

[badger2]

Wait around. Right now cases are plummeting among the unvaccinated in the UK and and RISING among the vaccinated. This is why there has never been a vaccine for coronaviruses before, including SARS. They couldn't find a way to avoid ADE.

Well, great, now we may be seeing in the real world--and you're the test subjects. And WE are crazy for not taking it!!

You have not explained why there has never been a vaccine for coronaviruses or SARS, you are simply making a statement with no evidence shown to back the claim. The following SARS-CoV vaccine is for civet cats, the natural reservoir of SARS-CoV. Fau Chi knows that it also links to HIV-1 vaccine:

CTLA4Hinge SARS 800 DNA Vaccine for Civet Cats

An oral mucosal DNA vaccine for SARS coronavirus infections - PubMed

1. When different forms of SARS coronavirus (SARS-CoV) spike protein-based vaccines for generation of a neutralising antibody response to SARS-CoV were injected into a mouse model, all the mice immunised with intramuscular tPA-optimised 800 DNA vaccine boosted with intraperitoneal recombinant...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[postman]

30-35000 is the CDC factual tally and not the emotional fear factor hype of 500k+

That's like saying people with cancer don't die of cancer, they die of organ failure.

 

[postman]

Why do so many of you keep using that number?
The CDC admitted last year that the "number of deaths" listed included deaths of other causes, but listed Covid as comorbidity. Not Covid... but oh..they also had cancer. But cancer..and oh.. they also had covid.

Then why does the CDC claim that anybody dies of cancer. By your theory NOBODY dies of cancer. All are dying "WITH" cancer, not from it.

How does cancer kill you?

Cancer kills by growing into key organs, nerves, or blood vessels and interfering with and impairing their function. Learn more about it here.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

The list below outlines some examples of how different types of cancer ultimately cause death:

Gastrointestinal cancers: These cause death due to malnutrition related to the blockage of the digestive system or an infection.

Lung cancers: These can cause death due to lung collapse, infection, or lack of oxygen.

Bone cancers: Increased calcium levels in the bloodstream and a reduction of healthy bone marrow reduces the body’s ability to fight infection, stop bleeding, and deliver oxygen to tissues.

Liver cancers: These cause death due to a buildup of bodily chemicals and toxins.

Blood cancers: These cause damage to blood vessels that can give rise to fatal, uncontrollable bleeding.

 

[WEATHER53]

That's like saying people with cancer don't die of cancer, they die of organ failure.

No that’s how you would pretzel twist it

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Then why does the CDC claim that anybody dies of cancer. By your theory NOBODY dies of cancer. All are dying "WITH" cancer, not from it.

How does cancer kill you?

Cancer kills by growing into key organs, nerves, or blood vessels and interfering with and impairing their function. Learn more about it here.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

The list below outlines some examples of how different types of cancer ultimately cause death:

Gastrointestinal cancers: These cause death due to malnutrition related to the blockage of the digestive system or an infection.

Lung cancers: These can cause death due to lung collapse, infection, or lack of oxygen.

Bone cancers: Increased calcium levels in the bloodstream and a reduction of healthy bone marrow reduces the body’s ability to fight infection, stop bleeding, and deliver oxygen to tissues.

Liver cancers: These cause death due to a buildup of bodily chemicals and toxins.

Blood cancers: These cause damage to blood vessels that can give rise to fatal, uncontrollable bleeding.

It is not that difficult.
Here is an example straight from the AAMC -
An elderly man arrived at Atlanta’s Emory University Hospital Midtown last month so stricken with advanced cancer that it could take his life within months — but that’s not what brought him to the emergency room.
The man had contracted COVID-19 and was struggling to breathe, recalls Sara Auld, MD, a critical care physician at the hospital. He was admitted to the intensive care unit (ICU) and intubated. “Given his already fragile state, his condition quickly took a turn for the worse” and he died, she recalls.
Was his death caused by COVID-19?
Yes, Auld says: “While he was very weak and frail from his underlying cancer, his death was undoubtedly accelerated and precipitated by COVID-19.”

This is a good example of how the numbers are faulty.

Patient 2 - A middle aged woman with no other illnesses is admitted to the hospital with Covid 19, within 24 hrs her conditions worsens and she is moved to ICU and dies on the second day.

Both of these patients are counted EQUALLY as Covid deaths.
They should not be!!
That gives a false impression of the numbers.
Already stated by the CDC, in prior years if patient 1 came in and contracted the flu, and died. They would not list his death as the flu. They would list the PRIMARY cause of death - complications from cancer.

Maybe you are getting it now?

 

[badger2]

They still need to host the virus in some sort of medium AKA a host.

But mutations in a lab aren't the issue it's the mutations in the real world that are causing the problems

They don’t have to host in a complete host. Cells of the host are also sometimes sufficient. No, Chinese lab mice mutation E484K was reported in Sep 2020, and the same mutation occurs for ex., in B.1.526 variant (New York, Nov 2020).

 

[badger2]

We halted the research under Obama. Was he just being a caveman?

You can rest assured that where any research was halted, the Chinese communists continued it.

 

[citygator]

Why do you think they brought the masks back? An admission that the vaccines do not eliminate transmission. There goes your entire argument for making ANYONE else take the vaccine.

That is only ONE way they are just bad vaccines. I wish they were not. I wish they were great vaccines, like for smallpox or polio. But they're not. They suck. And you folks are up in everyone's grill saying if you don't get one of these sucky vaccines, you can die. Really?

How can I argue with that solid logic? For giggles, why are 99.5% deaths unvaccinated?

 

[badger2]

Situations keep changing. I don't know why everyone expects the CDC to know perfectly what to do at all times. It's a new virus, new information. Things change. That's life.

We’re not buying it, Einstein. The CDC sanitized the P.1 Brazil-Japan variant by changing is from its original published form, K417N/T to K417T. The N that was removed links to increased potency of fentanyl at asparagine(N) 230 of the mu-opioid receptor implicating J&J vaccine, and its division Janssen, the original synthesizer of fentanyl. The T is what causes increased potency of fentanyl, and so the investigator would not forget that opiate addiction may link to animal market traffickers and the natural reservoir of SARS-CoV-2. This is the only example thusfar as is known, of a Coronavirus mimicking what happens at the fentanyl receptor.

 

[Lesh]

No that’s how you would pretzel twist it

Wrong. That's EXACTLY your logic

 

[badger2]

How can I argue with that solid logic? For giggles, why are 99.5% deaths unvaccinated?

Release of Pfizer’s booster will specifically negate Delta, the cause of increased transmission.

 

[Flash]

The CDC has a lot of smart people working for it. However, the guidance out of the CDC is usually moronic.

You can never trust a government bureaucracy to look after your best interest. Never.

 

[WEATHER53]

It is not that difficult.
Here is an example straight from the AAMC -
An elderly man arrived at Atlanta’s Emory University Hospital Midtown last month so stricken with advanced cancer that it could take his life within months — but that’s not what brought him to the emergency room.
The man had contracted COVID-19 and was struggling to breathe, recalls Sara Auld, MD, a critical care physician at the hospital. He was admitted to the intensive care unit (ICU) and intubated. “Given his already fragile state, his condition quickly took a turn for the worse” and he died, she recalls.
Was his death caused by COVID-19?
Yes, Auld says: “While he was very weak and frail from his underlying cancer, his death was undoubtedly accelerated and precipitated by COVID-19.”

This is a good example of how the numbers are faulty.

Patient 2 - A middle aged woman with no other illnesses is admitted to the hospital with Covid 19, within 24 hrs her conditions worsens and she is moved to ICU and dies on the second day.

Both of these patients are counted EQUALLY as Covid deaths.
They should not be!!
That gives a false impression of the numbers.
Already stated by the CDC, in prior years if patient 1 came in and contracted the flu, and died. They would not list his death as the flu. They would list the PRIMARY cause of death - which was cancer.

Maybe you are getting it now?

Yes
Dying with Covid is vastly different than dying from Covid but that’s been muddled deliberately to confuse and create compliance via fear
Fact is 95% of the deaths were with Covid with the preexisting conditions so dire that most Any newly introduced ailment would cause death
5% die from Covid solely. The number of otherwise quite healthy people who are under 55 and died from Covid solely has not reached 3,000
I’m in late 60’s and have no fear of it and resent snd resist strongly this takeover of our lives for something that is very rarely lethal