CDC Study Says Teen Virgins Are Healthier

[emilynghiem]

Is this the newest abstinence con? Be careful girls, if you look in the direction of a man, you will get pregnant! Then there goes your health.

It is sooo amazing, how old sexually frustrated bullies wield power over poor unsuspecting young people, to turn them miserable too.

So let's cut through the con, and state the simple fact, that there is no reliable relationship without sex. Those who agree to a "relationship" without sex, are insecure and codependent, a bigger sickness than any std.

Nope sorry anotherlife
If people are abusive bully types they will do that in relationships with or without sex.
If people are reliable and respectful with relationships they will do the same with or without sex.

The sex adds more emotional bonding and deeper interconnection, but the underlying relationship is still there, and is either built on mutual respect or on an unequal foundation.

I found that the same people who are Jerks in their platonic relations will apply the same biases to romantic relations. The sex isn't going to fix or makeup for what's going on or going wrong!

At most, people may have more Motivation to fix communication and respect issues when it affects their love life and romantic relations. But in all the people and relations I've known, the same patterns in sexual relations are already projected by both partners on all their other relationships as well. They just show up more prominently in their personal relations because these are more sensitive emotionally. But the same two people carry the same biases and behavior in other relations with other people, whether sex is involved or not. The bullies still bully, and just because sex is involved doesn't magically change that pattern.

 

[Andylusion]

Is this the newest abstinence con? Be careful girls, if you look in the direction of a man, you will get pregnant! Then there goes your health.

It is sooo amazing, how old sexually frustrated bullies wield power over poor unsuspecting young people, to turn them miserable too.

So let's cut through the con, and state the simple fact, that there is no reliable relationship without sex. Those who agree to a "relationship" without sex, are insecure and codependent, a bigger sickness than any std.

Nope sorry anotherlife
If people are abusive bully types they will do that in relationships with or without sex.
If people are reliable and respectful with relationships they will do the same with or without sex.

The sex adds more emotional bonding and deeper interconnection, but the underlying relationship is still there, and is either built on mutual respect or on an unequal foundation.

I found that the same people who are Jerks in their platonic relations will apply the same biases to romantic relations. The sex isn't going to fix or makeup for what's going on or going wrong!

At most, people may have more Motivation to fix communication and respect issues when it affects their love life and romantic relations. But in all the people and relations I've known, the same patterns in sexual relations are already projected by both partners on all their other relationships as well. They just show up more prominently in their personal relations because these are more sensitive emotionally. But the same two people carry the same biases and behavior in other relations with other people, whether sex is involved or not. The bullies still bully, and just because sex is involved doesn't magically change that pattern.

I think I have to disagree with you on that.

You have a married couple, and the girl refuses the man sex, he will become a jerk.

In fact, you should check out a book called the bead method. If you completely disagree with everything, that's fine, but it can't hurt to read a book, right?

The Bead Method > Carolyn Evans | Mark Gungor | Marriage Intimacy

The lady Carolyn Evans, was having problems in her marriage, and the story (according to her interview) goes that her husband turned 40, and she couldn't think of anything to buy him, so she promised him 40 days of sex. (which of course was quite the turn on for the husband)....

Of course she came to her senses, and realized she didn't want to be hospitalized, so she bought some beads and a bowl. She gave him the beads, and said that whenever he wanted sex, he just placed a bead into the bowl, and she promised within 24 hours they would have sex.

Now what she found out was, as soon as he realized he could win with her, he started treating her better, the arguments disappeared, he was nicer, and happier, and started flirting again.

Suddenly the guy she fell in love with, reappeared..... because he was going to get sex.

You want to turn a happy, flirty, fawning guy, into a grump old jerk that argues constantly? Just starve him out sexually.

You and I agree on a lot of topics, but this one, I'm not with you girl. I still like you. We just disagree. Men do not marry women for the 'relationship'. If men didn't have a sex drive, we likely wouldn't bother with women at all. Number one reason a man gets married, and ties himself to a woman...... sex.

 

[anotherlife]

Is this the newest abstinence con? Be careful girls, if you look in the direction of a man, you will get pregnant! Then there goes your health.

It is sooo amazing, how old sexually frustrated bullies wield power over poor unsuspecting young people, to turn them miserable too.

So let's cut through the con, and state the simple fact, that there is no reliable relationship without sex. Those who agree to a "relationship" without sex, are insecure and codependent, a bigger sickness than any std.

Nope sorry anotherlife
If people are abusive bully types they will do that in relationships with or without sex.
If people are reliable and respectful with relationships they will do the same with or without sex.

The sex adds more emotional bonding and deeper interconnection, but the underlying relationship is still there, and is either built on mutual respect or on an unequal foundation.

I found that the same people who are Jerks in their platonic relations will apply the same biases to romantic relations. The sex isn't going to fix or makeup for what's going on or going wrong!

At most, people may have more Motivation to fix communication and respect issues when it affects their love life and romantic relations. But in all the people and relations I've known, the same patterns in sexual relations are already projected by both partners on all their other relationships as well. They just show up more prominently in their personal relations because these are more sensitive emotionally. But the same two people carry the same biases and behavior in other relations with other people, whether sex is involved or not. The bullies still bully, and just because sex is involved doesn't magically change that pattern.

This may be true, but the point was that without sex there is no relationship possible between a woman and a man. Women call it the friend zone when they have a male friend that they have no sex with, and it is totally useless, he is like a girlfriend to them, hardly a relationship. Those who push abstinence ruin all normal relationships that would have existed otherwise.

 

[anotherlife]

Is this the newest abstinence con? Be careful girls, if you look in the direction of a man, you will get pregnant! Then there goes your health.

It is sooo amazing, how old sexually frustrated bullies wield power over poor unsuspecting young people, to turn them miserable too.

So let's cut through the con, and state the simple fact, that there is no reliable relationship without sex. Those who agree to a "relationship" without sex, are insecure and codependent, a bigger sickness than any std.

Nope sorry anotherlife
If people are abusive bully types they will do that in relationships with or without sex.
If people are reliable and respectful with relationships they will do the same with or without sex.

The sex adds more emotional bonding and deeper interconnection, but the underlying relationship is still there, and is either built on mutual respect or on an unequal foundation.

I found that the same people who are Jerks in their platonic relations will apply the same biases to romantic relations. The sex isn't going to fix or makeup for what's going on or going wrong!

At most, people may have more Motivation to fix communication and respect issues when it affects their love life and romantic relations. But in all the people and relations I've known, the same patterns in sexual relations are already projected by both partners on all their other relationships as well. They just show up more prominently in their personal relations because these are more sensitive emotionally. But the same two people carry the same biases and behavior in other relations with other people, whether sex is involved or not. The bullies still bully, and just because sex is involved doesn't magically change that pattern.

I think I have to disagree with you on that.

You have a married couple, and the girl refuses the man sex, he will become a jerk.

In fact, you should check out a book called the bead method. If you completely disagree with everything, that's fine, but it can't hurt to read a book, right?

The Bead Method > Carolyn Evans | Mark Gungor | Marriage Intimacy

The lady Carolyn Evans, was having problems in her marriage, and the story (according to her interview) goes that her husband turned 40, and she couldn't think of anything to buy him, so she promised him 40 days of sex. (which of course was quite the turn on for the husband)....

Of course she came to her senses, and realized she didn't want to be hospitalized, so she bought some beads and a bowl. She gave him the beads, and said that whenever he wanted sex, he just placed a bead into the bowl, and she promised within 24 hours they would have sex.

Now what she found out was, as soon as he realized he could win with her, he started treating her better, the arguments disappeared, he was nicer, and happier, and started flirting again.

Suddenly the guy she fell in love with, reappeared..... because he was going to get sex.

You want to turn a happy, flirty, fawning guy, into a grump old jerk that argues constantly? Just starve him out sexually.

You and I agree on a lot of topics, but this one, I'm not with you girl. I still like you. We just disagree. Men do not marry women for the 'relationship'. If men didn't have a sex drive, we likely wouldn't bother with women at all. Number one reason a man gets married, and ties himself to a woman...... sex.

With any woman, this would put you in the sexist category. Hehe. There is a reason why the women themselves are the reason for killing the relationships that they mourn about losing.

 

[Andylusion]

Is this the newest abstinence con? Be careful girls, if you look in the direction of a man, you will get pregnant! Then there goes your health.

It is sooo amazing, how old sexually frustrated bullies wield power over poor unsuspecting young people, to turn them miserable too.

So let's cut through the con, and state the simple fact, that there is no reliable relationship without sex. Those who agree to a "relationship" without sex, are insecure and codependent, a bigger sickness than any std.

Nope sorry anotherlife
If people are abusive bully types they will do that in relationships with or without sex.
If people are reliable and respectful with relationships they will do the same with or without sex.

The sex adds more emotional bonding and deeper interconnection, but the underlying relationship is still there, and is either built on mutual respect or on an unequal foundation.

I found that the same people who are Jerks in their platonic relations will apply the same biases to romantic relations. The sex isn't going to fix or makeup for what's going on or going wrong!

At most, people may have more Motivation to fix communication and respect issues when it affects their love life and romantic relations. But in all the people and relations I've known, the same patterns in sexual relations are already projected by both partners on all their other relationships as well. They just show up more prominently in their personal relations because these are more sensitive emotionally. But the same two people carry the same biases and behavior in other relations with other people, whether sex is involved or not. The bullies still bully, and just because sex is involved doesn't magically change that pattern.

This may be true, but the point was that without sex there is no relationship possible between a woman and a man. Women call it the friend zone when they have a male friend that they have no sex with, and it is totally useless, he is like a girlfriend to them, hardly a relationship. Those who push abstinence ruin all normal relationships that would have existed otherwise.

You are crazy. For thousands of years of human existence, people waited until they were married to have sex. Are you suggesting that for thousands and thousands of years, everyone ruined normal relationships?

Did you ever wonder why the puritans had so many kids? They wait until marriage to have sex. But after they got married..... all they did was have sex. That's how you had these families with 12 kids.

Additionally, the vast majority of relationships end when you have sex. Lot of people don't know this.

In fact, your chances of having a life-long relationship drop dramatically the moment you have sex before marriage. Statistically your chances are cut in half.

The average life span of a sexual relationship outside of marriage... is just 3 years.

 

[anotherlife]

Is this the newest abstinence con? Be careful girls, if you look in the direction of a man, you will get pregnant! Then there goes your health.

It is sooo amazing, how old sexually frustrated bullies wield power over poor unsuspecting young people, to turn them miserable too.

So let's cut through the con, and state the simple fact, that there is no reliable relationship without sex. Those who agree to a "relationship" without sex, are insecure and codependent, a bigger sickness than any std.

Nope sorry anotherlife
If people are abusive bully types they will do that in relationships with or without sex.
If people are reliable and respectful with relationships they will do the same with or without sex.

The sex adds more emotional bonding and deeper interconnection, but the underlying relationship is still there, and is either built on mutual respect or on an unequal foundation.

I found that the same people who are Jerks in their platonic relations will apply the same biases to romantic relations. The sex isn't going to fix or makeup for what's going on or going wrong!

At most, people may have more Motivation to fix communication and respect issues when it affects their love life and romantic relations. But in all the people and relations I've known, the same patterns in sexual relations are already projected by both partners on all their other relationships as well. They just show up more prominently in their personal relations because these are more sensitive emotionally. But the same two people carry the same biases and behavior in other relations with other people, whether sex is involved or not. The bullies still bully, and just because sex is involved doesn't magically change that pattern.

This may be true, but the point was that without sex there is no relationship possible between a woman and a man. Women call it the friend zone when they have a male friend that they have no sex with, and it is totally useless, he is like a girlfriend to them, hardly a relationship. Those who push abstinence ruin all normal relationships that would have existed otherwise.

You are crazy. For thousands of years of human existence, people waited until they were married to have sex. Are you suggesting that for thousands and thousands of years, everyone ruined normal relationships?

Did you ever wonder why the puritans had so many kids? They wait until marriage to have sex. But after they got married..... all they did was have sex. That's how you had these families with 12 kids.

Additionally, the vast majority of relationships end when you have sex. Lot of people don't know this.

In fact, your chances of having a life-long relationship drop dramatically the moment you have sex before marriage. Statistically your chances are cut in half.

The average life span of a sexual relationship outside of marriage... is just 3 years.

The average lifetime of marriage is also 3 years. As per national statistics of every western country.

And the puritans had far fewer children than the Catholics. This is because puritans married pre puberty girls and had all the sex with them. Then when the girls reached puberty they gave a few births before quickly being discarded for the next wife. Life expectancy was very limited during the days of the puritans, especially for new mothers.

Your relationship ends when you have sex if you are gay, because then the girl can't keep you where she wants you any more, in her friend zone.

 

[Andylusion]

Is this the newest abstinence con? Be careful girls, if you look in the direction of a man, you will get pregnant! Then there goes your health.

It is sooo amazing, how old sexually frustrated bullies wield power over poor unsuspecting young people, to turn them miserable too.

So let's cut through the con, and state the simple fact, that there is no reliable relationship without sex. Those who agree to a "relationship" without sex, are insecure and codependent, a bigger sickness than any std.

Nope sorry anotherlife
If people are abusive bully types they will do that in relationships with or without sex.
If people are reliable and respectful with relationships they will do the same with or without sex.

The sex adds more emotional bonding and deeper interconnection, but the underlying relationship is still there, and is either built on mutual respect or on an unequal foundation.

I found that the same people who are Jerks in their platonic relations will apply the same biases to romantic relations. The sex isn't going to fix or makeup for what's going on or going wrong!

At most, people may have more Motivation to fix communication and respect issues when it affects their love life and romantic relations. But in all the people and relations I've known, the same patterns in sexual relations are already projected by both partners on all their other relationships as well. They just show up more prominently in their personal relations because these are more sensitive emotionally. But the same two people carry the same biases and behavior in other relations with other people, whether sex is involved or not. The bullies still bully, and just because sex is involved doesn't magically change that pattern.

This may be true, but the point was that without sex there is no relationship possible between a woman and a man. Women call it the friend zone when they have a male friend that they have no sex with, and it is totally useless, he is like a girlfriend to them, hardly a relationship. Those who push abstinence ruin all normal relationships that would have existed otherwise.

You are crazy. For thousands of years of human existence, people waited until they were married to have sex. Are you suggesting that for thousands and thousands of years, everyone ruined normal relationships?

Did you ever wonder why the puritans had so many kids? They wait until marriage to have sex. But after they got married..... all they did was have sex. That's how you had these families with 12 kids.

Additionally, the vast majority of relationships end when you have sex. Lot of people don't know this.

In fact, your chances of having a life-long relationship drop dramatically the moment you have sex before marriage. Statistically your chances are cut in half.

The average life span of a sexual relationship outside of marriage... is just 3 years.

The average lifetime of marriage is also 3 years. As per national statistics of every western country.

And the puritans had far fewer children than the Catholics. This is because puritans married pre puberty girls and had all the sex with them. Then when the girls reached puberty they gave a few births before quickly being discarded for the next wife. Life expectancy was very limited during the days of the puritans, especially for new mothers.

Your relationship ends when you have sex if you are gay, because then the girl can't keep you where she wants you any more, in her friend zone.

Not true!

The average life span of a marriage that ends in divorce, is 8 years. They are of course, excluding marriages that don't end in divorce.

Moreover, of all marriages, couples that marry in their 20s, first time marriages, where both people are virgins on their wedding night.... the divorce rate for such couples is under 10%.

The divorce rate, isn't nearly as high as you people want to believe it is. The reason they say the divorce rate is so high, is because they just count the number of marriages, and number of divorces, in a given year.

The problem is, most divorces are the same people over and over and over. They marry, and divorce... then remarry, and re-divorce.... then remarry and re-divorce again.

I ran into a guy that was on his 5th divorce. He sat there telling me, yeah yeah, split the money, there's the paperwork... I've done this all before. LIke it was routine to him. I told him straight up "did you ever think maybe it isn't because you keep finding bad women? Maybe the problem is somehow you?"

He looked at me in horror and said "of course not!".

LOL... oh man. Wish that man the best, but I betcha he's still divorcing even to this day. That was 10 years ago.

Fact is, people who do marriage and relationships right, tend to have it work. We just had a couple here celebrate their 80th wedding anniversary. He was 104, and she was 96. Do the math.

My parents just had their 50th.

You are not going to have that celebration following the modern thing. It just doesn't work.

 

[anotherlife]

Is this the newest abstinence con? Be careful girls, if you look in the direction of a man, you will get pregnant! Then there goes your health.

It is sooo amazing, how old sexually frustrated bullies wield power over poor unsuspecting young people, to turn them miserable too.

So let's cut through the con, and state the simple fact, that there is no reliable relationship without sex. Those who agree to a "relationship" without sex, are insecure and codependent, a bigger sickness than any std.

Nope sorry anotherlife
If people are abusive bully types they will do that in relationships with or without sex.
If people are reliable and respectful with relationships they will do the same with or without sex.

The sex adds more emotional bonding and deeper interconnection, but the underlying relationship is still there, and is either built on mutual respect or on an unequal foundation.

I found that the same people who are Jerks in their platonic relations will apply the same biases to romantic relations. The sex isn't going to fix or makeup for what's going on or going wrong!

At most, people may have more Motivation to fix communication and respect issues when it affects their love life and romantic relations. But in all the people and relations I've known, the same patterns in sexual relations are already projected by both partners on all their other relationships as well. They just show up more prominently in their personal relations because these are more sensitive emotionally. But the same two people carry the same biases and behavior in other relations with other people, whether sex is involved or not. The bullies still bully, and just because sex is involved doesn't magically change that pattern.

This may be true, but the point was that without sex there is no relationship possible between a woman and a man. Women call it the friend zone when they have a male friend that they have no sex with, and it is totally useless, he is like a girlfriend to them, hardly a relationship. Those who push abstinence ruin all normal relationships that would have existed otherwise.

You are crazy. For thousands of years of human existence, people waited until they were married to have sex. Are you suggesting that for thousands and thousands of years, everyone ruined normal relationships?

Did you ever wonder why the puritans had so many kids? They wait until marriage to have sex. But after they got married..... all they did was have sex. That's how you had these families with 12 kids.

Additionally, the vast majority of relationships end when you have sex. Lot of people don't know this.

In fact, your chances of having a life-long relationship drop dramatically the moment you have sex before marriage. Statistically your chances are cut in half.

The average life span of a sexual relationship outside of marriage... is just 3 years.

The average lifetime of marriage is also 3 years. As per national statistics of every western country.

And the puritans had far fewer children than the Catholics. This is because puritans married pre puberty girls and had all the sex with them. Then when the girls reached puberty they gave a few births before quickly being discarded for the next wife. Life expectancy was very limited during the days of the puritans, especially for new mothers.

Your relationship ends when you have sex if you are gay, because then the girl can't keep you where she wants you any more, in her friend zone.

Not true!

The average life span of a marriage that ends in divorce, is 8 years. They are of course, excluding marriages that don't end in divorce.

Moreover, of all marriages, couples that marry in their 20s, first time marriages, where both people are virgins on their wedding night.... the divorce rate for such couples is under 10%.

The divorce rate, isn't nearly as high as you people want to believe it is. The reason they say the divorce rate is so high, is because they just count the number of marriages, and number of divorces, in a given year.

The problem is, most divorces are the same people over and over and over. They marry, and divorce... then remarry, and re-divorce.... then remarry and re-divorce again.

I ran into a guy that was on his 5th divorce. He sat there telling me, yeah yeah, split the money, there's the paperwork... I've done this all before. LIke it was routine to him. I told him straight up "did you ever think maybe it isn't because you keep finding bad women? Maybe the problem is somehow you?"

He looked at me in horror and said "of course not!".

LOL... oh man. Wish that man the best, but I betcha he's still divorcing even to this day. That was 10 years ago.

Fact is, people who do marriage and relationships right, tend to have it work. We just had a couple here celebrate their 80th wedding anniversary. He was 104, and she was 96. Do the math.

My parents just had their 50th.

You are not going to have that celebration following the modern thing. It just doesn't work.

I dunno, modern people do modern things, old people do old things. In the modern world not only marriage is classified unsustainable, but child upbringing too. So, if this is all set as is, why should anyone give up the right to sex? It doesn't seem to make sense.

 

[Muhammed]

An active sex life is good for your physical and mental health.

 

[Andylusion]

Nope sorry anotherlife
If people are abusive bully types they will do that in relationships with or without sex.
If people are reliable and respectful with relationships they will do the same with or without sex.

The sex adds more emotional bonding and deeper interconnection, but the underlying relationship is still there, and is either built on mutual respect or on an unequal foundation.

I found that the same people who are Jerks in their platonic relations will apply the same biases to romantic relations. The sex isn't going to fix or makeup for what's going on or going wrong!

At most, people may have more Motivation to fix communication and respect issues when it affects their love life and romantic relations. But in all the people and relations I've known, the same patterns in sexual relations are already projected by both partners on all their other relationships as well. They just show up more prominently in their personal relations because these are more sensitive emotionally. But the same two people carry the same biases and behavior in other relations with other people, whether sex is involved or not. The bullies still bully, and just because sex is involved doesn't magically change that pattern.

This may be true, but the point was that without sex there is no relationship possible between a woman and a man. Women call it the friend zone when they have a male friend that they have no sex with, and it is totally useless, he is like a girlfriend to them, hardly a relationship. Those who push abstinence ruin all normal relationships that would have existed otherwise.

You are crazy. For thousands of years of human existence, people waited until they were married to have sex. Are you suggesting that for thousands and thousands of years, everyone ruined normal relationships?

Did you ever wonder why the puritans had so many kids? They wait until marriage to have sex. But after they got married..... all they did was have sex. That's how you had these families with 12 kids.

Additionally, the vast majority of relationships end when you have sex. Lot of people don't know this.

In fact, your chances of having a life-long relationship drop dramatically the moment you have sex before marriage. Statistically your chances are cut in half.

The average life span of a sexual relationship outside of marriage... is just 3 years.

The average lifetime of marriage is also 3 years. As per national statistics of every western country.

And the puritans had far fewer children than the Catholics. This is because puritans married pre puberty girls and had all the sex with them. Then when the girls reached puberty they gave a few births before quickly being discarded for the next wife. Life expectancy was very limited during the days of the puritans, especially for new mothers.

Your relationship ends when you have sex if you are gay, because then the girl can't keep you where she wants you any more, in her friend zone.

Not true!

The average life span of a marriage that ends in divorce, is 8 years. They are of course, excluding marriages that don't end in divorce.

Moreover, of all marriages, couples that marry in their 20s, first time marriages, where both people are virgins on their wedding night.... the divorce rate for such couples is under 10%.

The divorce rate, isn't nearly as high as you people want to believe it is. The reason they say the divorce rate is so high, is because they just count the number of marriages, and number of divorces, in a given year.

The problem is, most divorces are the same people over and over and over. They marry, and divorce... then remarry, and re-divorce.... then remarry and re-divorce again.

I ran into a guy that was on his 5th divorce. He sat there telling me, yeah yeah, split the money, there's the paperwork... I've done this all before. LIke it was routine to him. I told him straight up "did you ever think maybe it isn't because you keep finding bad women? Maybe the problem is somehow you?"

He looked at me in horror and said "of course not!".

LOL... oh man. Wish that man the best, but I betcha he's still divorcing even to this day. That was 10 years ago.

Fact is, people who do marriage and relationships right, tend to have it work. We just had a couple here celebrate their 80th wedding anniversary. He was 104, and she was 96. Do the math.

My parents just had their 50th.

You are not going to have that celebration following the modern thing. It just doesn't work.

I dunno, modern people do modern things, old people do old things. In the modern world not only marriage is classified unsustainable, but child upbringing too. So, if this is all set as is, why should anyone give up the right to sex? It doesn't seem to make sense.

I'm confused by this. Are you claiming that marriage is unsustainable? My sister has been married 15 years. She has six kids. She doesn't work. Only her husband works.

Which part of this, is unsustainable in our modern world?

And don't tell me she's not getting laid. How did she have all those kids?

My parents have been married 50+ years.

A family at my former church, had 11 kids, and she didn't work. They got married when she was in her teens, 18 or 19. They've been together 40 plus years. She doesn't work either.

Explain to me, what about this is somehow not sustainable? I'm very confused by this.

And right to give up sex? These people are having sex.

In fact, statistically, married couples have far more sex, and enjoy their sex more, than any other group. The single guys I know,... and maybe I'm just lucky to find all the losers, but none of them have that much sex. Bouncing around from person to person, doesn't work well. And honestly, you can't really enjoy sex unless you actually have real feelings for the other person. That doesn't happen with short term shack ups, or one night stands.

Seriously, explain what you mean. Because nothing you said, seemed to fit with anything I have witnessed in my life.

 

[anotherlife]

This may be true, but the point was that without sex there is no relationship possible between a woman and a man. Women call it the friend zone when they have a male friend that they have no sex with, and it is totally useless, he is like a girlfriend to them, hardly a relationship. Those who push abstinence ruin all normal relationships that would have existed otherwise.

You are crazy. For thousands of years of human existence, people waited until they were married to have sex. Are you suggesting that for thousands and thousands of years, everyone ruined normal relationships?

Did you ever wonder why the puritans had so many kids? They wait until marriage to have sex. But after they got married..... all they did was have sex. That's how you had these families with 12 kids.

Additionally, the vast majority of relationships end when you have sex. Lot of people don't know this.

In fact, your chances of having a life-long relationship drop dramatically the moment you have sex before marriage. Statistically your chances are cut in half.

The average life span of a sexual relationship outside of marriage... is just 3 years.

The average lifetime of marriage is also 3 years. As per national statistics of every western country.

And the puritans had far fewer children than the Catholics. This is because puritans married pre puberty girls and had all the sex with them. Then when the girls reached puberty they gave a few births before quickly being discarded for the next wife. Life expectancy was very limited during the days of the puritans, especially for new mothers.

Your relationship ends when you have sex if you are gay, because then the girl can't keep you where she wants you any more, in her friend zone.

Not true!

The average life span of a marriage that ends in divorce, is 8 years. They are of course, excluding marriages that don't end in divorce.

Moreover, of all marriages, couples that marry in their 20s, first time marriages, where both people are virgins on their wedding night.... the divorce rate for such couples is under 10%.

The divorce rate, isn't nearly as high as you people want to believe it is. The reason they say the divorce rate is so high, is because they just count the number of marriages, and number of divorces, in a given year.

The problem is, most divorces are the same people over and over and over. They marry, and divorce... then remarry, and re-divorce.... then remarry and re-divorce again.

I ran into a guy that was on his 5th divorce. He sat there telling me, yeah yeah, split the money, there's the paperwork... I've done this all before. LIke it was routine to him. I told him straight up "did you ever think maybe it isn't because you keep finding bad women? Maybe the problem is somehow you?"

He looked at me in horror and said "of course not!".

LOL... oh man. Wish that man the best, but I betcha he's still divorcing even to this day. That was 10 years ago.

Fact is, people who do marriage and relationships right, tend to have it work. We just had a couple here celebrate their 80th wedding anniversary. He was 104, and she was 96. Do the math.

My parents just had their 50th.

You are not going to have that celebration following the modern thing. It just doesn't work.

I dunno, modern people do modern things, old people do old things. In the modern world not only marriage is classified unsustainable, but child upbringing too. So, if this is all set as is, why should anyone give up the right to sex? It doesn't seem to make sense.

I'm confused by this. Are you claiming that marriage is unsustainable? My sister has been married 15 years. She has six kids. She doesn't work. Only her husband works.

Which part of this, is unsustainable in our modern world?

And don't tell me she's not getting laid. How did she have all those kids?

My parents have been married 50+ years.

A family at my former church, had 11 kids, and she didn't work. They got married when she was in her teens, 18 or 19. They've been together 40 plus years. She doesn't work either.

Explain to me, what about this is somehow not sustainable? I'm very confused by this.

And right to give up sex? These people are having sex.

In fact, statistically, married couples have far more sex, and enjoy their sex more, than any other group. The single guys I know,... and maybe I'm just lucky to find all the losers, but none of them have that much sex. Bouncing around from person to person, doesn't work well. And honestly, you can't really enjoy sex unless you actually have real feelings for the other person. That doesn't happen with short term shack ups, or one night stands.

Seriously, explain what you mean. Because nothing you said, seemed to fit with anything I have witnessed in my life.

You are playing with my head, right?

I thought your thesis in this thread was pro abstinence. I was contrary. But now you are saying that more sex is needed. I can support all my statements with the clichee national statistics. In any case, good girls don't lead guys on. There are endless movies and comic books how some guy or girl tells his or her lover to wait until marriage only to be gesumpted the last day. Hehehe. I would have never thought that anyone would do the waiting for real. It's like the comics come alive. Hehe.

But yes, there are plenty of mothers that produce momma boys never to see a woman, and there are plenty of fathers to lock up their daughters until she learns to date only her fater's pals.

 

[Andylusion]

You are crazy. For thousands of years of human existence, people waited until they were married to have sex. Are you suggesting that for thousands and thousands of years, everyone ruined normal relationships?

Did you ever wonder why the puritans had so many kids? They wait until marriage to have sex. But after they got married..... all they did was have sex. That's how you had these families with 12 kids.

Additionally, the vast majority of relationships end when you have sex. Lot of people don't know this.

In fact, your chances of having a life-long relationship drop dramatically the moment you have sex before marriage. Statistically your chances are cut in half.

The average life span of a sexual relationship outside of marriage... is just 3 years.

The average lifetime of marriage is also 3 years. As per national statistics of every western country.

And the puritans had far fewer children than the Catholics. This is because puritans married pre puberty girls and had all the sex with them. Then when the girls reached puberty they gave a few births before quickly being discarded for the next wife. Life expectancy was very limited during the days of the puritans, especially for new mothers.

Your relationship ends when you have sex if you are gay, because then the girl can't keep you where she wants you any more, in her friend zone.

Not true!

The average life span of a marriage that ends in divorce, is 8 years. They are of course, excluding marriages that don't end in divorce.

Moreover, of all marriages, couples that marry in their 20s, first time marriages, where both people are virgins on their wedding night.... the divorce rate for such couples is under 10%.

The divorce rate, isn't nearly as high as you people want to believe it is. The reason they say the divorce rate is so high, is because they just count the number of marriages, and number of divorces, in a given year.

The problem is, most divorces are the same people over and over and over. They marry, and divorce... then remarry, and re-divorce.... then remarry and re-divorce again.

I ran into a guy that was on his 5th divorce. He sat there telling me, yeah yeah, split the money, there's the paperwork... I've done this all before. LIke it was routine to him. I told him straight up "did you ever think maybe it isn't because you keep finding bad women? Maybe the problem is somehow you?"

He looked at me in horror and said "of course not!".

LOL... oh man. Wish that man the best, but I betcha he's still divorcing even to this day. That was 10 years ago.

Fact is, people who do marriage and relationships right, tend to have it work. We just had a couple here celebrate their 80th wedding anniversary. He was 104, and she was 96. Do the math.

My parents just had their 50th.

You are not going to have that celebration following the modern thing. It just doesn't work.

I dunno, modern people do modern things, old people do old things. In the modern world not only marriage is classified unsustainable, but child upbringing too. So, if this is all set as is, why should anyone give up the right to sex? It doesn't seem to make sense.

I'm confused by this. Are you claiming that marriage is unsustainable? My sister has been married 15 years. She has six kids. She doesn't work. Only her husband works.

Which part of this, is unsustainable in our modern world?

And don't tell me she's not getting laid. How did she have all those kids?

My parents have been married 50+ years.

A family at my former church, had 11 kids, and she didn't work. They got married when she was in her teens, 18 or 19. They've been together 40 plus years. She doesn't work either.

Explain to me, what about this is somehow not sustainable? I'm very confused by this.

And right to give up sex? These people are having sex.

In fact, statistically, married couples have far more sex, and enjoy their sex more, than any other group. The single guys I know,... and maybe I'm just lucky to find all the losers, but none of them have that much sex. Bouncing around from person to person, doesn't work well. And honestly, you can't really enjoy sex unless you actually have real feelings for the other person. That doesn't happen with short term shack ups, or one night stands.

Seriously, explain what you mean. Because nothing you said, seemed to fit with anything I have witnessed in my life.

You are playing with my head, right?

I thought your thesis in this thread was pro abstinence. I was contrary. But now you are saying that more sex is needed. I can support all my statements with the clichee national statistics. In any case, good girls don't lead guys on. There are endless movies and comic books how some guy or girl tells his or her lover to wait until marriage only to be gesumpted the last day. Hehehe. I would have never thought that anyone would do the waiting for real. It's like the comics come alive. Hehe.

But yes, there are plenty of mothers that produce momma boys never to see a woman, and there are plenty of fathers to lock up their daughters until she learns to date only her fater's pals.

First off, let me clarify my position. I can not, and do not speak for anyone else on this thread. And there are people who push a pro-abstinence view. I am not one of these people.

At the same time, I do not believe in premarital sex. The research is in, and if you want the best possible chance of screwing up your life, and spend the next 40 years, wondering why your life sucks, and why it has to be so difficult.... the best way to do that, is start screwing around with people before getting married.

Of course some people now claim I'm being contradictory. You can be against abstinence, and be against premarital sex.

This isn't that hard. It's not a difficult concept. It doesn't require a high IQ, or a Ph.D.

The answer is.......... gasp..... GET MARRIED!. It's that simple.

And again.... 6,000 years of human history.... people got married. My roommate just got married. He's 24. She younger. (I simply don't know how old she is off hand). They got married. It's that simple.

I don't understand these nimrods, that wait until they are 35 to get married. Nor do I understand the moronic fools who think they can't get married until they are 30. What are you people waiting for? How dumb is this?

So, yes, I am extremely pro-sex. By all means, get married, and have sex, and regularly I might add. At least twice a week or more. But this stupidity, of running around, ruining your life, screwing everything in sight, and then crying and moaning over how much your life sucks... .you are a fool. Just talked with a guy last year, had THREE child support payments, and now he's going to the doctor because he thinks he's got an STD. He's trying to settle down with this girl he has now, and she's complaining because all his money is going to other women. His life SUCKS. But he didn't wait for marriage. So.... his life SUCKS.

You can do whatever you want dude. But when your life ends like trash, and wondering why it didn't turn out like your comic books... don't cry to me. I warned you. Can't blame anyone now. You've been warned.

And yeah, that's movies and comic books. really....?

Wow... you people are crazy. I know a dozen guys right now that waited until marriage. It's way more common of a thing, than apparently you know.

Moreover, for literally thousands on thousands of years of human history, waiting for marriage was the defacto standard. My parents did that. My grand parents did that. My relatives today did that. Their parents did that. Their grand parents did that.

It's amazing... that universal standard of all human history, now in your eyes is a comic book? Have we regressed mentally and educationally, that now 6,000 years of human history is considered a comic book to you? Clearly Darwin was wrong. We are not evolving, we're devolving.

 

[anotherlife]

The average lifetime of marriage is also 3 years. As per national statistics of every western country.

And the puritans had far fewer children than the Catholics. This is because puritans married pre puberty girls and had all the sex with them. Then when the girls reached puberty they gave a few births before quickly being discarded for the next wife. Life expectancy was very limited during the days of the puritans, especially for new mothers.

Your relationship ends when you have sex if you are gay, because then the girl can't keep you where she wants you any more, in her friend zone.

Not true!

The average life span of a marriage that ends in divorce, is 8 years. They are of course, excluding marriages that don't end in divorce.

Moreover, of all marriages, couples that marry in their 20s, first time marriages, where both people are virgins on their wedding night.... the divorce rate for such couples is under 10%.

The divorce rate, isn't nearly as high as you people want to believe it is. The reason they say the divorce rate is so high, is because they just count the number of marriages, and number of divorces, in a given year.

The problem is, most divorces are the same people over and over and over. They marry, and divorce... then remarry, and re-divorce.... then remarry and re-divorce again.

I ran into a guy that was on his 5th divorce. He sat there telling me, yeah yeah, split the money, there's the paperwork... I've done this all before. LIke it was routine to him. I told him straight up "did you ever think maybe it isn't because you keep finding bad women? Maybe the problem is somehow you?"

He looked at me in horror and said "of course not!".

LOL... oh man. Wish that man the best, but I betcha he's still divorcing even to this day. That was 10 years ago.

Fact is, people who do marriage and relationships right, tend to have it work. We just had a couple here celebrate their 80th wedding anniversary. He was 104, and she was 96. Do the math.

My parents just had their 50th.

You are not going to have that celebration following the modern thing. It just doesn't work.

I dunno, modern people do modern things, old people do old things. In the modern world not only marriage is classified unsustainable, but child upbringing too. So, if this is all set as is, why should anyone give up the right to sex? It doesn't seem to make sense.

I'm confused by this. Are you claiming that marriage is unsustainable? My sister has been married 15 years. She has six kids. She doesn't work. Only her husband works.

Which part of this, is unsustainable in our modern world?

And don't tell me she's not getting laid. How did she have all those kids?

My parents have been married 50+ years.

A family at my former church, had 11 kids, and she didn't work. They got married when she was in her teens, 18 or 19. They've been together 40 plus years. She doesn't work either.

Explain to me, what about this is somehow not sustainable? I'm very confused by this.

And right to give up sex? These people are having sex.

In fact, statistically, married couples have far more sex, and enjoy their sex more, than any other group. The single guys I know,... and maybe I'm just lucky to find all the losers, but none of them have that much sex. Bouncing around from person to person, doesn't work well. And honestly, you can't really enjoy sex unless you actually have real feelings for the other person. That doesn't happen with short term shack ups, or one night stands.

Seriously, explain what you mean. Because nothing you said, seemed to fit with anything I have witnessed in my life.

You are playing with my head, right?

I thought your thesis in this thread was pro abstinence. I was contrary. But now you are saying that more sex is needed. I can support all my statements with the clichee national statistics. In any case, good girls don't lead guys on. There are endless movies and comic books how some guy or girl tells his or her lover to wait until marriage only to be gesumpted the last day. Hehehe. I would have never thought that anyone would do the waiting for real. It's like the comics come alive. Hehe.

But yes, there are plenty of mothers that produce momma boys never to see a woman, and there are plenty of fathers to lock up their daughters until she learns to date only her fater's pals.

First off, let me clarify my position. I can not, and do not speak for anyone else on this thread. And there are people who push a pro-abstinence view. I am not one of these people.

At the same time, I do not believe in premarital sex. The research is in, and if you want the best possible chance of screwing up your life, and spend the next 40 years, wondering why your life sucks, and why it has to be so difficult.... the best way to do that, is start screwing around with people before getting married.

Of course some people now claim I'm being contradictory. You can be against abstinence, and be against premarital sex.

This isn't that hard. It's not a difficult concept. It doesn't require a high IQ, or a Ph.D.

The answer is.......... gasp..... GET MARRIED!. It's that simple.

And again.... 6,000 years of human history.... people got married. My roommate just got married. He's 24. She younger. (I simply don't know how old she is off hand). They got married. It's that simple.

I don't understand these nimrods, that wait until they are 35 to get married. Nor do I understand the moronic fools who think they can't get married until they are 30. What are you people waiting for? How dumb is this?

So, yes, I am extremely pro-sex. By all means, get married, and have sex, and regularly I might add. At least twice a week or more. But this stupidity, of running around, ruining your life, screwing everything in sight, and then crying and moaning over how much your life sucks... .you are a fool. Just talked with a guy last year, had THREE child support payments, and now he's going to the doctor because he thinks he's got an STD. He's trying to settle down with this girl he has now, and she's complaining because all his money is going to other women. His life SUCKS. But he didn't wait for marriage. So.... his life SUCKS.

You can do whatever you want dude. But when your life ends like trash, and wondering why it didn't turn out like your comic books... don't cry to me. I warned you. Can't blame anyone now. You've been warned.

And yeah, that's movies and comic books. really....?

Wow... you people are crazy. I know a dozen guys right now that waited until marriage. It's way more common of a thing, than apparently you know.

Moreover, for literally thousands on thousands of years of human history, waiting for marriage was the defacto standard. My parents did that. My grand parents did that. My relatives today did that. Their parents did that. Their grand parents did that.

It's amazing... that universal standard of all human history, now in your eyes is a comic book? Have we regressed mentally and educationally, that now 6,000 years of human history is considered a comic book to you? Clearly Darwin was wrong. We are not evolving, we're devolving.

I can easily find non sexual answers to the why life sucks questions. To follow your implied list, I could say women losing shape to chemicals, aggressive American style marketing, technological elimination of life assets and opportunities, but the biggest could be parental and institutional head programming. Hehe, my English teacher will love my new word here. When parents and schools teach us that we can be anything, and the entire world is our playpen of opportunities, they lie to us. Some of us feel this rape in the mind, most don't.

The girls I have relationships with have views about marriage if I ask them. And that is along the above lines. Plus you and everyone has at least one but usually more friends who can say that their wives ran off with some other guy on the Internet. The fact is, that in the 21st century, marriage is engineered to be a contract as opposed to a partnership. And the government rules it, by forcing the poverty ridden classes to produce welfare pregnancies. Interesting that you assume we don't know this. And then, why would a woman marry to lose part of her welfare cheque?

Let me give you a hint of global truth, that every family, every school, and every corporation wants to hide from you. Life is not an achievement, life is a process. (Not necessarily a journey, but a process.) My discovery here made endless teachers and adults angry and hopping mad so far. With this though, sex too has a place, with or without marriage, plus this can decouple marriage from situational expectations.

 

[Andylusion]

Not true!

The average life span of a marriage that ends in divorce, is 8 years. They are of course, excluding marriages that don't end in divorce.

Moreover, of all marriages, couples that marry in their 20s, first time marriages, where both people are virgins on their wedding night.... the divorce rate for such couples is under 10%.

The divorce rate, isn't nearly as high as you people want to believe it is. The reason they say the divorce rate is so high, is because they just count the number of marriages, and number of divorces, in a given year.

The problem is, most divorces are the same people over and over and over. They marry, and divorce... then remarry, and re-divorce.... then remarry and re-divorce again.

I ran into a guy that was on his 5th divorce. He sat there telling me, yeah yeah, split the money, there's the paperwork... I've done this all before. LIke it was routine to him. I told him straight up "did you ever think maybe it isn't because you keep finding bad women? Maybe the problem is somehow you?"

He looked at me in horror and said "of course not!".

LOL... oh man. Wish that man the best, but I betcha he's still divorcing even to this day. That was 10 years ago.

Fact is, people who do marriage and relationships right, tend to have it work. We just had a couple here celebrate their 80th wedding anniversary. He was 104, and she was 96. Do the math.

My parents just had their 50th.

You are not going to have that celebration following the modern thing. It just doesn't work.

I dunno, modern people do modern things, old people do old things. In the modern world not only marriage is classified unsustainable, but child upbringing too. So, if this is all set as is, why should anyone give up the right to sex? It doesn't seem to make sense.

I'm confused by this. Are you claiming that marriage is unsustainable? My sister has been married 15 years. She has six kids. She doesn't work. Only her husband works.

Which part of this, is unsustainable in our modern world?

And don't tell me she's not getting laid. How did she have all those kids?

My parents have been married 50+ years.

A family at my former church, had 11 kids, and she didn't work. They got married when she was in her teens, 18 or 19. They've been together 40 plus years. She doesn't work either.

Explain to me, what about this is somehow not sustainable? I'm very confused by this.

And right to give up sex? These people are having sex.

In fact, statistically, married couples have far more sex, and enjoy their sex more, than any other group. The single guys I know,... and maybe I'm just lucky to find all the losers, but none of them have that much sex. Bouncing around from person to person, doesn't work well. And honestly, you can't really enjoy sex unless you actually have real feelings for the other person. That doesn't happen with short term shack ups, or one night stands.

Seriously, explain what you mean. Because nothing you said, seemed to fit with anything I have witnessed in my life.

You are playing with my head, right?

I thought your thesis in this thread was pro abstinence. I was contrary. But now you are saying that more sex is needed. I can support all my statements with the clichee national statistics. In any case, good girls don't lead guys on. There are endless movies and comic books how some guy or girl tells his or her lover to wait until marriage only to be gesumpted the last day. Hehehe. I would have never thought that anyone would do the waiting for real. It's like the comics come alive. Hehe.

But yes, there are plenty of mothers that produce momma boys never to see a woman, and there are plenty of fathers to lock up their daughters until she learns to date only her fater's pals.

First off, let me clarify my position. I can not, and do not speak for anyone else on this thread. And there are people who push a pro-abstinence view. I am not one of these people.

At the same time, I do not believe in premarital sex. The research is in, and if you want the best possible chance of screwing up your life, and spend the next 40 years, wondering why your life sucks, and why it has to be so difficult.... the best way to do that, is start screwing around with people before getting married.

Of course some people now claim I'm being contradictory. You can be against abstinence, and be against premarital sex.

This isn't that hard. It's not a difficult concept. It doesn't require a high IQ, or a Ph.D.

The answer is.......... gasp..... GET MARRIED!. It's that simple.

And again.... 6,000 years of human history.... people got married. My roommate just got married. He's 24. She younger. (I simply don't know how old she is off hand). They got married. It's that simple.

I don't understand these nimrods, that wait until they are 35 to get married. Nor do I understand the moronic fools who think they can't get married until they are 30. What are you people waiting for? How dumb is this?

So, yes, I am extremely pro-sex. By all means, get married, and have sex, and regularly I might add. At least twice a week or more. But this stupidity, of running around, ruining your life, screwing everything in sight, and then crying and moaning over how much your life sucks... .you are a fool. Just talked with a guy last year, had THREE child support payments, and now he's going to the doctor because he thinks he's got an STD. He's trying to settle down with this girl he has now, and she's complaining because all his money is going to other women. His life SUCKS. But he didn't wait for marriage. So.... his life SUCKS.

You can do whatever you want dude. But when your life ends like trash, and wondering why it didn't turn out like your comic books... don't cry to me. I warned you. Can't blame anyone now. You've been warned.

And yeah, that's movies and comic books. really....?

Wow... you people are crazy. I know a dozen guys right now that waited until marriage. It's way more common of a thing, than apparently you know.

Moreover, for literally thousands on thousands of years of human history, waiting for marriage was the defacto standard. My parents did that. My grand parents did that. My relatives today did that. Their parents did that. Their grand parents did that.

It's amazing... that universal standard of all human history, now in your eyes is a comic book? Have we regressed mentally and educationally, that now 6,000 years of human history is considered a comic book to you? Clearly Darwin was wrong. We are not evolving, we're devolving.

I can easily find non sexual answers to the why life sucks questions. To follow your implied list, I could say women losing shape to chemicals, aggressive American style marketing, technological elimination of life assets and opportunities, but the biggest could be parental and institutional head programming. Hehe, my English teacher will love my new word here. When parents and schools teach us that we can be anything, and the entire world is our playpen of opportunities, they lie to us. Some of us feel this rape in the mind, most don't.

The girls I have relationships with have views about marriage if I ask them. And that is along the above lines. Plus you and everyone has at least one but usually more friends who can say that their wives ran off with some other guy on the Internet. The fact is, that in the 21st century, marriage is engineered to be a contract as opposed to a partnership. And the government rules it, by forcing the poverty ridden classes to produce welfare pregnancies. Interesting that you assume we don't know this. And then, why would a woman marry to lose part of her welfare cheque?

Let me give you a hint of global truth, that every family, every school, and every corporation wants to hide from you. Life is not an achievement, life is a process. (Not necessarily a journey, but a process.) My discovery here made endless teachers and adults angry and hopping mad so far. With this though, sex too has a place, with or without marriage, plus this can decouple marriage from situational expectations.

Right.... but I never said that what I was talking about was the only reasons life can suck.
Context my friend. The topic of this thread, is what again?

As it relates to the topic of this discussion, I guarantee you can screw up your life in minutes, by messing around.

Granted, I would actually agree with you. The "you can do anything" is BS, and should not be taught in school. A more realistic approach of "life is hard, and you need to find something you can do, and work at it".

Regardless, the topic of this thread is how sexuality affects your life, and how those who do sexuality right, have better results in life.

Yes, many wives run off with another guy. That does not mean it is normal, natural, or right. Especially on the internet. Your sample size is small group of people that spend their entire lives online, and shockingly they get wrapped up in affairs. That's sarcasm.

That isn't the way it was, or was supposed to be. If you are going to live your life based on the faulty exceptions, then expect your life to be a train wreck. Bad plan.

Marriage was never a partnership.
Marriage was ALWAYS a contract.

If you are hanging out with a girl, who wants a partnership... you need to move on. If *YOU* want a partnership, then you are looking, and I promise you will find, a complete disaster.

Partnerships are a disaster. In the business world, a partnership is a great way to end up in bankruptcy. The other guy wants to run the business one way. You want to run it another. You fight and bicker and attack each other over it. He says screw it, and empties the business bank account, and leaves you with the bills. Nothing you can do. He was equal owner of the business funds. He didn't violate any laws taking the money. He's gone, and you are bankrupt.

Partnership in relationship is exactly the same way. Just shack up with some girl, and live together. In the eyes of the law, you are a partnership.

I read about this guy and girl, they shacked up, and bought a car together, and after they had a fight, she hopped in the car while he was at work, and left him. Nothing he could do. She was 100% owner, and he was 100% owner. Couldn't call the police, she didn't steal it. So even though he paid for it, he can't get the car back. He was left stranded at work, as they only had the one car between.

That's a partnership. That's how partnerships work.

Another story, a girl and guy bought a home together. I actually know, and met this girl. The bought the home together, and they had a falling out. He found another girl, and brought that girl into the home. She called the police, and they told her there was nothing they could do. They were a partnership on the home. It was as much his, as hers, and he could bring anyone he wanted into his home.

That's a partnership. You don't want a partnership.

You want a contract. A marriage. You want, I'm tied to you, and your tied to me, and we're in this together to the end.

Do you know how many movies big name actors hated and wanted to quit, but they stayed in the movie because they had a contract, and had to stay? The movies turned out fantastic, and they ended up being applauded for their work.

But if they had been in a 'partnership', they would have walked off the set.

Like I said before, just shackup in a partnership, and then wonder why your life sucks.

One of the more sad stories, because the guy seemed like a nice guy, that simply didn't know he was doing everything wrong....

Can't verify this story, but here it is anyway. The guy shacks up with a girl, they buy a house together. She's got a low wage job, so he's paying the mortgage. After a few years, she ditches him, and finds a new guy. Kicks him out of the house.

He moves on with life finds yet another girl to shack up with, and they plan to buy a house. He ends up being rejected for the mortgage. Turns out he has a foreclosure on his record.

As it turns out, ex-girl-friend refused to pay the mortgage as she said she would. The house got foreclosed on.

But... ex-girl-friends new boyfriend went to the bank and bought the house as a foreclosure, so they are still living there, only with a much cheaper mortgage. So he effectively paid down house for his ex-partner-ship... so that she and her boyfriend got a cheap house.

Meanwhile, his girl friend ditched him, because he couldn't buy a house.

Can't prove that story true... but that's how having a partner relationship works. If they had been married, he could have forced her to sell the house in a divorce. If the other person had been married, they could have forced her to sell the car, or refinance it out of his name.

But they were not married in a contract. No, they were a partnership. So there was nothing any of them could do.

 

[anotherlife]

I dunno, modern people do modern things, old people do old things. In the modern world not only marriage is classified unsustainable, but child upbringing too. So, if this is all set as is, why should anyone give up the right to sex? It doesn't seem to make sense.

I'm confused by this. Are you claiming that marriage is unsustainable? My sister has been married 15 years. She has six kids. She doesn't work. Only her husband works.

Which part of this, is unsustainable in our modern world?

And don't tell me she's not getting laid. How did she have all those kids?

My parents have been married 50+ years.

A family at my former church, had 11 kids, and she didn't work. They got married when she was in her teens, 18 or 19. They've been together 40 plus years. She doesn't work either.

Explain to me, what about this is somehow not sustainable? I'm very confused by this.

And right to give up sex? These people are having sex.

In fact, statistically, married couples have far more sex, and enjoy their sex more, than any other group. The single guys I know,... and maybe I'm just lucky to find all the losers, but none of them have that much sex. Bouncing around from person to person, doesn't work well. And honestly, you can't really enjoy sex unless you actually have real feelings for the other person. That doesn't happen with short term shack ups, or one night stands.

Seriously, explain what you mean. Because nothing you said, seemed to fit with anything I have witnessed in my life.

You are playing with my head, right?

I thought your thesis in this thread was pro abstinence. I was contrary. But now you are saying that more sex is needed. I can support all my statements with the clichee national statistics. In any case, good girls don't lead guys on. There are endless movies and comic books how some guy or girl tells his or her lover to wait until marriage only to be gesumpted the last day. Hehehe. I would have never thought that anyone would do the waiting for real. It's like the comics come alive. Hehe.

But yes, there are plenty of mothers that produce momma boys never to see a woman, and there are plenty of fathers to lock up their daughters until she learns to date only her fater's pals.

First off, let me clarify my position. I can not, and do not speak for anyone else on this thread. And there are people who push a pro-abstinence view. I am not one of these people.

At the same time, I do not believe in premarital sex. The research is in, and if you want the best possible chance of screwing up your life, and spend the next 40 years, wondering why your life sucks, and why it has to be so difficult.... the best way to do that, is start screwing around with people before getting married.

Of course some people now claim I'm being contradictory. You can be against abstinence, and be against premarital sex.

This isn't that hard. It's not a difficult concept. It doesn't require a high IQ, or a Ph.D.

The answer is.......... gasp..... GET MARRIED!. It's that simple.

And again.... 6,000 years of human history.... people got married. My roommate just got married. He's 24. She younger. (I simply don't know how old she is off hand). They got married. It's that simple.

I don't understand these nimrods, that wait until they are 35 to get married. Nor do I understand the moronic fools who think they can't get married until they are 30. What are you people waiting for? How dumb is this?

So, yes, I am extremely pro-sex. By all means, get married, and have sex, and regularly I might add. At least twice a week or more. But this stupidity, of running around, ruining your life, screwing everything in sight, and then crying and moaning over how much your life sucks... .you are a fool. Just talked with a guy last year, had THREE child support payments, and now he's going to the doctor because he thinks he's got an STD. He's trying to settle down with this girl he has now, and she's complaining because all his money is going to other women. His life SUCKS. But he didn't wait for marriage. So.... his life SUCKS.

You can do whatever you want dude. But when your life ends like trash, and wondering why it didn't turn out like your comic books... don't cry to me. I warned you. Can't blame anyone now. You've been warned.

And yeah, that's movies and comic books. really....?

Wow... you people are crazy. I know a dozen guys right now that waited until marriage. It's way more common of a thing, than apparently you know.

Moreover, for literally thousands on thousands of years of human history, waiting for marriage was the defacto standard. My parents did that. My grand parents did that. My relatives today did that. Their parents did that. Their grand parents did that.

It's amazing... that universal standard of all human history, now in your eyes is a comic book? Have we regressed mentally and educationally, that now 6,000 years of human history is considered a comic book to you? Clearly Darwin was wrong. We are not evolving, we're devolving.

I can easily find non sexual answers to the why life sucks questions. To follow your implied list, I could say women losing shape to chemicals, aggressive American style marketing, technological elimination of life assets and opportunities, but the biggest could be parental and institutional head programming. Hehe, my English teacher will love my new word here. When parents and schools teach us that we can be anything, and the entire world is our playpen of opportunities, they lie to us. Some of us feel this rape in the mind, most don't.

The girls I have relationships with have views about marriage if I ask them. And that is along the above lines. Plus you and everyone has at least one but usually more friends who can say that their wives ran off with some other guy on the Internet. The fact is, that in the 21st century, marriage is engineered to be a contract as opposed to a partnership. And the government rules it, by forcing the poverty ridden classes to produce welfare pregnancies. Interesting that you assume we don't know this. And then, why would a woman marry to lose part of her welfare cheque?

Let me give you a hint of global truth, that every family, every school, and every corporation wants to hide from you. Life is not an achievement, life is a process. (Not necessarily a journey, but a process.) My discovery here made endless teachers and adults angry and hopping mad so far. With this though, sex too has a place, with or without marriage, plus this can decouple marriage from situational expectations.

Right.... but I never said that what I was talking about was the only reasons life can suck.
Context my friend. The topic of this thread, is what again?

As it relates to the topic of this discussion, I guarantee you can screw up your life in minutes, by messing around.

Granted, I would actually agree with you. The "you can do anything" is BS, and should not be taught in school. A more realistic approach of "life is hard, and you need to find something you can do, and work at it".

Regardless, the topic of this thread is how sexuality affects your life, and how those who do sexuality right, have better results in life.

Yes, many wives run off with another guy. That does not mean it is normal, natural, or right. Especially on the internet. Your sample size is small group of people that spend their entire lives online, and shockingly they get wrapped up in affairs. That's sarcasm.

That isn't the way it was, or was supposed to be. If you are going to live your life based on the faulty exceptions, then expect your life to be a train wreck. Bad plan.

Marriage was never a partnership.
Marriage was ALWAYS a contract.

If you are hanging out with a girl, who wants a partnership... you need to move on. If *YOU* want a partnership, then you are looking, and I promise you will find, a complete disaster.

Partnerships are a disaster. In the business world, a partnership is a great way to end up in bankruptcy. The other guy wants to run the business one way. You want to run it another. You fight and bicker and attack each other over it. He says screw it, and empties the business bank account, and leaves you with the bills. Nothing you can do. He was equal owner of the business funds. He didn't violate any laws taking the money. He's gone, and you are bankrupt.

Partnership in relationship is exactly the same way. Just shack up with some girl, and live together. In the eyes of the law, you are a partnership.

I read about this guy and girl, they shacked up, and bought a car together, and after they had a fight, she hopped in the car while he was at work, and left him. Nothing he could do. She was 100% owner, and he was 100% owner. Couldn't call the police, she didn't steal it. So even though he paid for it, he can't get the car back. He was left stranded at work, as they only had the one car between.

That's a partnership. That's how partnerships work.

Another story, a girl and guy bought a home together. I actually know, and met this girl. The bought the home together, and they had a falling out. He found another girl, and brought that girl into the home. She called the police, and they told her there was nothing they could do. They were a partnership on the home. It was as much his, as hers, and he could bring anyone he wanted into his home.

That's a partnership. You don't want a partnership.

You want a contract. A marriage. You want, I'm tied to you, and your tied to me, and we're in this together to the end.

Do you know how many movies big name actors hated and wanted to quit, but they stayed in the movie because they had a contract, and had to stay? The movies turned out fantastic, and they ended up being applauded for their work.

But if they had been in a 'partnership', they would have walked off the set.

Like I said before, just shackup in a partnership, and then wonder why your life sucks.

One of the more sad stories, because the guy seemed like a nice guy, that simply didn't know he was doing everything wrong....

Can't verify this story, but here it is anyway. The guy shacks up with a girl, they buy a house together. She's got a low wage job, so he's paying the mortgage. After a few years, she ditches him, and finds a new guy. Kicks him out of the house.

He moves on with life finds yet another girl to shack up with, and they plan to buy a house. He ends up being rejected for the mortgage. Turns out he has a foreclosure on his record.

As it turns out, ex-girl-friend refused to pay the mortgage as she said she would. The house got foreclosed on.

But... ex-girl-friends new boyfriend went to the bank and bought the house as a foreclosure, so they are still living there, only with a much cheaper mortgage. So he effectively paid down house for his ex-partner-ship... so that she and her boyfriend got a cheap house.

Meanwhile, his girl friend ditched him, because he couldn't buy a house.

Can't prove that story true... but that's how having a partner relationship works. If they had been married, he could have forced her to sell the house in a divorce. If the other person had been married, they could have forced her to sell the car, or refinance it out of his name.

But they were not married in a contract. No, they were a partnership. So there was nothing any of them could do.

I didn't know that people do purchases together if they are not married, although I heard of home ownership associations(?) between unrelated individuals.

But the topic of this thread is sex indeed. And in that contest, pregnancy is the only relevant aspect, and my point was relative to pregnancy only. I don't understand how pregnancy can be described as a contract even though that is what is expected. I think pregnancy is rather like a partnership exercise.