CDC leak shows the vaccinated aren't the big Delta risk

CDC leak shows the vaccinated aren't the big Delta risk​

30 Jul 2021 ~~ By Ed Morrissey
Has the COVID-19 “war” changed with the Delta variant, as the CDC’s leaked documents declared? Not really, former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb told CNBC’s Squawk Box this morning. Parsing out the data from the clickbait, Gottlieb points out that the vaccines make the kind of breakthrough transmission cited by this study relatively rare, although perhaps more asymptomatically prevalent than the CDC acknowledged before now.
Therefore, the fully vaccinated are not a big vector for transmission. Nor did people think that the unvaccinated could never transmit the virus in the first place. The big issue is the unvaccinated, who keep choosing to pose a risk to themselves and others, and masking the vaccinated won’t mitigate that risk:

Gottlieb offers common-sense guidance for the vaccinated. If you are in close contact with uniquely vulnerable individuals, including the unvaccinated by restriction (such as small children), take precautions to protect them. Mandating masks for everyone makes no sense at all, in large part because it’s not protecting those who can’t protect themselves. The mandates are clearly intended to protect those who won’t protect themselves, and that’s a recipe for perpetual masking — which people aren’t going to tolerate anyway.
And in fact, as Axios reports, it’s guidance that people are already largely ignoring:
~Snip~
Dr. Leana Wen also took a look at the data and reaches the same conclusion as Gottlieb. Wen has a different public-policy agenda for dealing with the implications, but the data makes it clear that the CDC is focusing on the wrong population:

~Snip~
It’s even more basic than that. The COVID-19 genie is out of the bottle, and there’s simply no stuffing it back in. We have to learn to live with this virus, and that can’t mean shutting down commerce and forcing people to wear masks for years on end when we have vaccines that render this even less risky than a seasonal flu for the immune. The proper focus should fall on getting the unvaccinated to get their inoculations, and then vaccinate the world to transform COVID-19 into a routine and manageable health-care issue. Masking the vaccinated doesn’t advance those goals at all — and to the extent that it indemnifies the risk-takers, it seriously impedes progress toward that goal.
Update: Jeff Dunetz follows up on the same point:
But along with the health reasons, the vaccine is worth it because, after a year of national quarantine, the shots will allow us to return to a more normal life.​
This new CDC mask guidance takes that benefit away from the vaccinated to protect the non-vaccinated. What is beyond comprehension is why are the vaccinated people being punished for the actions of the non-vaccinated? This may sound callous, but the people who decided against getting the vaccine made their own decision—and if they catch COVID, that too is their decision. The CDC and governments who want to mandate compliance with the CDC’s new guidance should keep my family and me out of it.​

Comment:
No matter the number of vaccinated, WE will never achieve 100% protection from the CCP Covid-19 Virus simply because it continues to mutate.
Combined with Joey Xi Bai Dungs increased illegal alien crisis CCP Covid-19 will continue to thrive in America.
Meanwhile the CDC has not been honest in their evaluations of the numbers afflicted with the CCP Covid-19 virus. Other common illnesses besides COVID-19 are a problematic for people with compromised immune systems. Those individuals have to take precautions to avoid exposure. We don't force everyone to get flu shots because it might help people with compromised immune systems.
Indeed if this administration was really interested in slowing and stopping the CCP Covid virus and it's variants, it would close our borders to the illegal aliens crossing our Southern border..
Then there's the 6 Counties found with bubonic plague in Colorado. What is the CDC doing about it?

Just because it's not the biggest risk doesn't mean you shouldn't try to mitigate it.
 
You are simply wrong. It’s a simple as that. The CDC flat out lied about HCQ been dangerous and you know it. There was/is an agenda.

I might add, scientist don’t like stepping on other scientist‘s toes. That is a well known fact.

Prove they're lying, prove they have an "agenda." Where is the evidence/
 
Prove they're lying, prove they have an "agenda." Where is the evidence/

I already did. They claimed HCQ was dangerous. They were very quick to jump on the study that falsely claimed it was dangerous and publicize it. It was retracted but the damage was done as many studies were immediately suspended never to be restarted. They were not so quick to jump on studies that showed efficacy, despite knowing full well that the likelihood of HCQ being dangerous when given in reasonable doses was very low. The drug has been on the market for 1/2 a century and is used extensively by rheumatologists. The CDC seemed to be alligned with WHO, which did everything they could to protect China and hurt the US and Trump.
 
I already did. They claimed HCQ was dangerous. They were very quick to jump on the study that falsely claimed it was dangerous and publicize it. It was retracted but the damage was done as many studies were immediately suspended never to be restarted. They were not so quick to jump on studies that showed efficacy, despite knowing full well that the likelihood of HCQ being dangerous when given in reasonable doses was very low. The drug has been on the market for 1/2 a century and is used extensively by rheumatologists. The CDC seemed to be alligned with WHO, which did everything they could to protect China and hurt the US and Trump.

I want actual evidence, not your conspiracy theories. Where are the whistleblowers? Who has been prosecuted over this? Where are the documents and studies proving outright that HCQ works to cure covid and the CDC tried to stop it? You conspiracy theorists move from one conspiracy to another like students on a lunch line grabbing food for their plate. First it was HCQ, now it's ivermectin. Next month it'll be some other miracle cure. You ppl live in a fantasy world because you can't deal with reality.
 
More lies coming from the WH and the CDC. The lies coming from the WH are so beyond egregious that even mainstream is reporting how bad it is. White house quickly scolds them for spreading the truth.

More lies coming from the WH and the CDC. The lies coming from the WH are so beyond egregious that even mainstream is reporting how bad it is. White house quickly scolds them for spreading the truth.


The WH was complaining that they are calling 490 cases MASSIVE...

The data shows a high vaccinated amount among them but after that it is quite inconclusive as they have no idea with regards to behaviour...

But the main thing, we can't find any hospitalisations or deaths....

This has been the same mantra from the idiots all summer. If we aren't 100% percent positive lets not do it even though it make common sense...

Vaccine works... Look at the Data... Outside US COVID-19 daily epidemiology update - Canada.ca

So while you argue and bicker about conspiracy theory crap the rest of first world is vaccinating like mad in preparation for winter...
 
The WH was complaining that they are calling 490 cases MASSIVE...

The data shows a high vaccinated amount among them but after that it is quite inconclusive as they have no idea with regards to behaviour...

But the main thing, we can't find any hospitalisations or deaths....

This has been the same mantra from the idiots all summer. If we aren't 100% percent positive lets not do it even though it make common sense...

Vaccine works... Look at the Data... Outside US COVID-19 daily epidemiology update - Canada.ca

So while you argue and bicker about conspiracy theory crap the rest of first world is vaccinating like mad in preparation for winter...

They are injecting an entire during a pandemic. Complete insanity and madness. This is what is causing the variants. Viruses don't like pressure and will adapt and overcome. And then, a booster shot every 3 to 6 months.
 
They are injecting an entire during a pandemic. Complete insanity and madness. This is what is causing the variants. Viruses don't like pressure and will adapt and overcome. And then, a booster shot every 3 to 6 months.
LBT, they will never understand how things work. They think they can control mother nature.
 
The data shows a high vaccinated amount among them but after that it is quite inconclusive as they have no idea with regards to behaviour...

But the main thing, we can't find any hospitalisations or deaths....
you're trying far too hard. enjoy fking life you ignorant twat.
 

CDC leak shows the vaccinated aren't the big Delta risk​

30 Jul 2021 ~~ By Ed Morrissey
Has the COVID-19 “war” changed with the Delta variant, as the CDC’s leaked documents declared? Not really, former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb told CNBC’s Squawk Box this morning. Parsing out the data from the clickbait, Gottlieb points out that the vaccines make the kind of breakthrough transmission cited by this study relatively rare, although perhaps more asymptomatically prevalent than the CDC acknowledged before now.
Therefore, the fully vaccinated are not a big vector for transmission. Nor did people think that the unvaccinated could never transmit the virus in the first place. The big issue is the unvaccinated, who keep choosing to pose a risk to themselves and others, and masking the vaccinated won’t mitigate that risk:

Gottlieb offers common-sense guidance for the vaccinated. If you are in close contact with uniquely vulnerable individuals, including the unvaccinated by restriction (such as small children), take precautions to protect them. Mandating masks for everyone makes no sense at all, in large part because it’s not protecting those who can’t protect themselves. The mandates are clearly intended to protect those who won’t protect themselves, and that’s a recipe for perpetual masking — which people aren’t going to tolerate anyway.
And in fact, as Axios reports, it’s guidance that people are already largely ignoring:
~Snip~
Dr. Leana Wen also took a look at the data and reaches the same conclusion as Gottlieb. Wen has a different public-policy agenda for dealing with the implications, but the data makes it clear that the CDC is focusing on the wrong population:

~Snip~
It’s even more basic than that. The COVID-19 genie is out of the bottle, and there’s simply no stuffing it back in. We have to learn to live with this virus, and that can’t mean shutting down commerce and forcing people to wear masks for years on end when we have vaccines that render this even less risky than a seasonal flu for the immune. The proper focus should fall on getting the unvaccinated to get their inoculations, and then vaccinate the world to transform COVID-19 into a routine and manageable health-care issue. Masking the vaccinated doesn’t advance those goals at all — and to the extent that it indemnifies the risk-takers, it seriously impedes progress toward that goal.
Update: Jeff Dunetz follows up on the same point:
But along with the health reasons, the vaccine is worth it because, after a year of national quarantine, the shots will allow us to return to a more normal life.​
This new CDC mask guidance takes that benefit away from the vaccinated to protect the non-vaccinated. What is beyond comprehension is why are the vaccinated people being punished for the actions of the non-vaccinated? This may sound callous, but the people who decided against getting the vaccine made their own decision—and if they catch COVID, that too is their decision. The CDC and governments who want to mandate compliance with the CDC’s new guidance should keep my family and me out of it.​

Comment:
No matter the number of vaccinated, WE will never achieve 100% protection from the CCP Covid-19 Virus simply because it continues to mutate.
Combined with Joey Xi Bai Dungs increased illegal alien crisis CCP Covid-19 will continue to thrive in America.
Meanwhile the CDC has not been honest in their evaluations of the numbers afflicted with the CCP Covid-19 virus. Other common illnesses besides COVID-19 are a problematic for people with compromised immune systems. Those individuals have to take precautions to avoid exposure. We don't force everyone to get flu shots because it might help people with compromised immune systems.
Indeed if this administration was really interested in slowing and stopping the CCP Covid virus and it's variants, it would close our borders to the illegal aliens crossing our Southern border..
Then there's the 6 Counties found with bubonic plague in Colorado. What is the CDC doing about it?


Oh the pfizer shill says so

lol

you people don't want to trust the science
 
Oh the pfizer shill says so

lol

you people don't want to trust the science
What science? Moderna is now telling those that were vaccinated with their "vaccine" will require a booster shot 6 months after... That is not up lifting to those that have already submitted to a "vaccine" that has not been thoroughly tested.

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What science? Moderna is now telling those that were vaccinated with their "vaccine" will require a booster shot 6 months after... That is not up lifting to those that have already submitted to a "vaccine" that has not been thoroughly tested.

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What the fuck does that have to do with Gottlieb being a liar?

They do not prevent spread. Which means it's a mistake to vaccinate everyone

That's why he's scrambling.

Our response makes no sense if it isn't preventing spread
 

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