Cathoilc Bishops use contraceptives to cover up their support of child molestation

[JoeB131]

Yet, you can't find a single case of current abuse, can you?

And you think that justifies empowering the government to take away their rights and liberty? Forcing them to do something contrary to their beliefs does just that.

They arent imposing any beliefs onto others. Others are free to purchase all the birth control they choose to. You arent stopping that if you don't force the Catholic Church to pay for it.

Why can't you guys just admit that you think you should be able to force the Catholics to do this? Why the attempts to side track the argument with irrelevant crap about pedophile priests who are either dead or in jail? Are you seriously that insecure with your argument that you can't debate it's merits?

Why is current important? It's actually an artificial standard. That it happpened at all is the problem. And, yes, I suspect it is still happening.

It isn't about rights or liberty. It's about complying with the law. You know, kind of like when we told you Morons.... er Mormons you couldn't have five child brides any more. This is the law, you have to comply with it.

 

[Cammmpbell]

What's so amusing is that liberals are quick to point out the very small minority of priests that molested children, but dismiss completely that schools are basically child brothels for the benefit of teachers. Hollywood passes around child stars for sexual fun. Jerry Sanduskly used Second Mile to provide child whores for donors.

A Catholic Church might have a priest that behaved inappropriately at some point in time. Miramonte school in California had all the teachers removed, all of them, for operating as an underaged harem of boys and girls. Not that enjoyment of perversion was limited to just using the kids for sex. They were also photographed with roaches crawling on their faces, and offered cookies covered with semen.

This is what democrats are like.

Such perversons might be called exceptional. Except for one thing, the perpetrators were so convinced that they were behaving appropriately that they took photographs to CVS to be developed.

Democrats are the party of the very worst kind of perversion. The very worst. Not only because perversion happened but because it is accepted.

Not sure why you are lumping Sandusky in with the Democrats. Do you really want me to produce pictures of him being all palsy with Rick Santorum?

What happened in LA is horrible, but let's actually let the police do their jobs before we start making crazy accusations, okay?

The problem with the church is not that it was infiltrated with pedophiles. Pedophiles go where they think they can get access to children.

The Church's problem was that it's recruiting practices made it easy to inflitrate.

"Help Wanted- Must have no interest in sex with adult women. Willing to spend lot of unsupervised time along with children".

What made the Church worse is that they covered this behavior up for years. When they reached a settlement with a victim, they imposed confidentiality orders that kept the victims quiet while they moved the perpetrators around.

Heck, I went to Catholic School, and they were always "rotating" the clergy out after problems with the students.

The history of the Catholic church and any similarity to the bible are coincidental anyway:


Some Roman Catholic Inventions, and the Dates of their Adoption:


Prayers for the dead; about 300
Making the sign of the cross; 300
Wax candles; about 320
Veneration of angels and dead saints, and use of images; 375
The Mass as a daily celebration; 394
Beginning of the exaltation of Mary, the term “Mother of God” first applied to her by the Council of Ephesus; 431
Priests began to dress differently from laymen; 500
Extreme Unction; 526
The doctrine of Purgatory, established by Gregory I; 593
Latin Language, used in prayer and worship, imposed by Gregory I; 600
Prayers directed to Mary, dead saints and angels; about 600
Title of pope, or universal bishop, given to Boniface III by emperor Phocas; 610
Kissing the pope s foot, began with pope Constantine; 709
Temporal power of the popes, conferred by Pepin, king of France; 750
Worship of the cross, images and relics, authorized in; 786
Holy water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by a priest; 850
Worship of St. Joseph; 890
College of Cardinals established; 927
Baptism of bells, instituted by pope John XIV; 965
Canonization of dead saints, first by pope John XV; 995
Fasting of Fridays and during lent; 998
The Mass, developed gradually as a sacrifice, attendance made obligatory in the 11th century
Celibacy of the priesthood, decreed by pope Gregory VII (Hildebrand); 1079
The Rosary, mechanical praying with beads, invented by Peter the Hermit; 1090
The Inquisition, instituted by the Council of Verona; 1184
Sale of Indulgences; 1190
Transubstantiation, proclaimed by pope Innocent III; 1215
Auricular Confession of sins to a priest instead of to God, instituted by pope Innocent III, in Lateran Council; 1215
Adoration of the wafer (Host), decreed by pope Honorius III; 1220
Bible forbidden to laymen, placed on the Index of Forbidden Books by the Council of Valencia; 1229
The Scapular, invented by Simon Stock, an English monk; 1287
Cup forbidden to the people at communion by Council of Constance; 1414
Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma by the Council of Florence; 1438
The doctrine of Seven Sacraments affirmed; 1439
The Ave Maria (part of the last half was completed 50 years later and approved by pope Sixtus V at the end of the 16th century); 1508
Jesuit order founded by Loyola; 1534
Tradition declared of equal authority with the Bible by the Council of Trent; 1545
Apocryphal books added to the Bible by the Council of Trent; 1546
Creed of pope Pius IV imposed as the official creed; 1560
Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary, proclaimed by pope Pius IX; 1854
Syllabus of Errors, proclaimed by pope Pius IX, and ratified by the Vatican Council; condemned freedom of religion, conscience, speech, press, and scientific discoveries which are disapproved by the Roman Church; asserted the pope s temporal authority over all civil rulers; 1864
Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals, proclaimed by the Vatican Council; 1870
Public Schools condemned by Pope Pius XI; 1930
Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death), proclaimed by Pope Pius XII; 1950


Add to these many others: monks, nuns, monasteries, convents, forty days lent, holy week, Palm Sunday, Ash Wednesday, All Saints Day, Candlemas, fish day, meat days, incense, holy oil, holy palms, Christopher medals, charms, novenas, and others.

 

[theHawk]

What's so amusing is that liberals are quick to point out the very small minority of priests that molested children, but dismiss completely that schools are basically child brothels for the benefit of teachers. Hollywood passes around child stars for sexual fun. Jerry Sanduskly used Second Mile to provide child whores for donors.

A Catholic Church might have a priest that behaved inappropriately at some point in time. Miramonte school in California had all the teachers removed, all of them, for operating as an underaged harem of boys and girls. Not that enjoyment of perversion was limited to just using the kids for sex. They were also photographed with roaches crawling on their faces, and offered cookies covered with semen.

This is what democrats are like.

Such perversons might be called exceptional. Except for one thing, the perpetrators were so convinced that they were behaving appropriately that they took photographs to CVS to be developed.

Democrats are the party of the very worst kind of perversion. The very worst. Not only because perversion happened but because it is accepted.

Yup, the number one job for pedophiles is being a teacher. Yet we don't see liberals lambasting the educational institutions for generating so many pedophiles. You know, teachers unions must be protected!

 

[theHawk]

My mother called me all distraught today after she learned that a priest at her Parrish will be put on leave pending an investigation of child sex abuse back in the day.....

BRAINTREE —

The Boston Archdiocese announced Sunday that it has placed the pastor of Blessed Kateri Tekakwitha Parish in Plymouth on administrative leave as a result of receiving an allegation of sexual abuse of a child.

The allegation against Rev. James E. Braley concerns conduct alleged to have occurred in the early 1980s.

The archdiocese said it immediately notified law enforcement of the allegation and has initiated a preliminary investigation.

Pastor of Plymouth church suspended over child sex abuse allegation - Quincy, MA - The Patriot Ledger

In an endeavor to bulk up the priesthood there was a decision made to allow homosexuals who had vowed to repent their ways into the Church. Early 70's.

But they weren't gay. They were pedophiles.

Take a look at the timeline.

Don't even get me going on the Boy Scouts. Or how they handled their own so called fudgepackers.

We got more than a biggie on this one. I'm going to put some in jail I swear. You had these men parading around as gay to gain access here comes the bazooka barf moment to children and anyone who has ever known how pedophiles work they do so undercover.

Not one man I have ever known as gay was a pedophile. But pedophiles masquerade as such.

It's a terrible moment in time.

Homosexuals are probably 10 times more likely to be pedophiles than heterosexuals, regardless if they are a priest, teacher, or any other job.

 

[Cammmpbell]

What's so amusing is that liberals are quick to point out the very small minority of priests that molested children, but dismiss completely that schools are basically child brothels for the benefit of teachers. Hollywood passes around child stars for sexual fun. Jerry Sanduskly used Second Mile to provide child whores for donors.

A Catholic Church might have a priest that behaved inappropriately at some point in time. Miramonte school in California had all the teachers removed, all of them, for operating as an underaged harem of boys and girls. Not that enjoyment of perversion was limited to just using the kids for sex. They were also photographed with roaches crawling on their faces, and offered cookies covered with semen.

This is what democrats are like.

Such perversons might be called exceptional. Except for one thing, the perpetrators were so convinced that they were behaving appropriately that they took photographs to CVS to be developed.

Democrats are the party of the very worst kind of perversion. The very worst. Not only because perversion happened but because it is accepted.

Yup, the number one job for pedophiles is being a teacher. Yet we don't see liberals lambasting the educational institutions for generating so many pedophiles. You know, teachers unions must be protected!

That is without reservation the most ignorant post I've ever seen.

Teaching is the number one job for pedophiles...........you must be kidding

 

[del]

i always thought it was running power plants


go figure

 

[Katzndogz]

The priests accused of molesting children joined the Church in th 70s and early 80s. What happened during that period of time to permit such infiltration?

 

[California Girl]

What's so amusing is that liberals are quick to point out the very small minority of priests that molested children, but dismiss completely that schools are basically child brothels for the benefit of teachers. Hollywood passes around child stars for sexual fun. Jerry Sanduskly used Second Mile to provide child whores for donors.

A Catholic Church might have a priest that behaved inappropriately at some point in time. Miramonte school in California had all the teachers removed, all of them, for operating as an underaged harem of boys and girls. Not that enjoyment of perversion was limited to just using the kids for sex. They were also photographed with roaches crawling on their faces, and offered cookies covered with semen.

This is what democrats are like.

Such perversons might be called exceptional. Except for one thing, the perpetrators were so convinced that they were behaving appropriately that they took photographs to CVS to be developed.

Democrats are the party of the very worst kind of perversion. The very worst. Not only because perversion happened but because it is accepted.

Yup, the number one job for pedophiles is being a teacher. Yet we don't see liberals lambasting the educational institutions for generating so many pedophiles. You know, teachers unions must be protected!

That is without reservation the most ignorant post I've ever seen.

Teaching is the number one job for pedophiles...........you must be kidding

Actually, according to research, it's true. But you have never been one to let truth get in the way of your opinions. Other professions with more attraction for pedophiles are sports coaches, youth leaders and workers.

 

[del]

The priests accused of molesting children joined the Church in th 70s and early 80s. What happened during that period of time to permit such infiltration?

actually, most of them joined in the early sixties

it's good to see that your ignorance is global in scope

 

[theHawk]

i always thought it was running power plants


go figure

Not too many children to be found at power plants.

 

[del]

i always thought it was running power plants


go figure

Not too many children to be found at power plants.

well, once the word got out, what did you expect?

 

[theHawk]

And by the way, if you look at child molestation convictions, men make up the vast majority of them. And of them far more than 2-5% commited their crime against boys.

Since gays only make up 2-5% of the population, then anything above that in conviction rates would prove my point. Admittedly statistics are very hard to come by since our government run by liberals that don't want any alarms raised about gays, but some statistics show that anywhere from 20%-50% of the child molesters did their crime against boys.

So, thanks for the neg rep for pointing out the facts.

 

[Cammmpbell]

And by the way, if you look at child molestation convictions, men make up the vast majority of them. And of them far more than 2-5% commited their crime against boys.

Since gays only make up 2-5% of the population, then anything above that in conviction rates would prove my point. Admittedly statistics are very hard to come by since our government run by liberals that don't want any alarms raised about gays, but some statistics show that anywhere from 20%-50% of the child molesters did their crime against boys.

So, thanks for the neg rep for pointing out the facts.

Where are the statistics which would support pedophiles being gay

Those folks are so deep in denial that anybody who knows what's going on will slough it off in a heartbeat

 

[theHawk]

And by the way, if you look at child molestation convictions, men make up the vast majority of them. And of them far more than 2-5% commited their crime against boys.

Since gays only make up 2-5% of the population, then anything above that in conviction rates would prove my point. Admittedly statistics are very hard to come by since our government run by liberals that don't want any alarms raised about gays, but some statistics show that anywhere from 20%-50% of the child molesters did their crime against boys.

So, thanks for the neg rep for pointing out the facts.

Where are the statistics which would support pedophiles being gay

Those folks are so deep in denial that anybody who knows what's going on will slough it off in a heartbeat

First of all, why dont you try this.

Homosexual Alfred Kinsey, the preeminent sexual researcher in the history of sexual research, found in 1948 that 37 percent of all male homosexuals admitted to having sex with children under 17 years old.4

A very recent (2000) study published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior found that "The best epidemiological evidence indicates that only 2-4% of men attracted to adults prefer men. In contrast, around 25-40% of men attracted to children prefer boys. Thus, the rate of homosexual attraction is 620 times higher among pedophiles."5
Another 2000 study in the Archives of Sexual Behavior found that". . . all but 9 of the 48 homosexual men preferred the youngest two male age categories" for sexual activity;' These age categories were fifteen and twenty years old.6
Yet another recent study in the Archives of Sexual Behavior found that "Pedophilia appears to have a greater than chance association with two other statistically infrequent phenomena. The first of these is homosexuality . . . Recent surveys estimate the prevalence of homosexuality, among men attracted to adults, in the neighborhood of 2%. In contrast, the prevalence of homosexuality among pedophiles may be as high as 30-40%."7
A 1989 study in the Journal of Sex Research noted that " . . . the proportion of sex offenders against male children among homosexual men is substantially larger than the proportion of sex offenders against female children among heterosexual men . . . the development of pedophilia is more closely linked with homosexuality than with heterosexuality."8
A 1988 study of 229 convicted child molesters published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior found that 86% of pedophiles described themselves as homosexual or bisexual.9
In a 1984 Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy article, sex researchers found that "The proportional prevalence of [male] offenders against male children in this group of 457 offenders against children was 36 percent."10
Homosexual activists Karla Jay and I Allen Young revealed in their 1979 Gay Report that 73% of all homosexuals I have acted as "chicken hawks" - that is, they have preyed on adolescent or younger boys. 11
In a 1992 study published in the Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy, sex researchers K. Freud and R. I. Watson found that homosexual males are three times more likely than straight men to engage in pedophilia, and that the average pedophile victimizes between 20 and 150 boys before being arrested.12
A study by sex researchers Alan Bell and Martin Weinberg found that 25% of white homosexual men have had sex with boys sixteen years and younger. 13

Child Molestation by homosexuals and heterosexuals

 

[JoeB131]

Yup, the number one job for pedophiles is being a teacher. Yet we don't see liberals lambasting the educational institutions for generating so many pedophiles. You know, teachers unions must be protected!

Do you have figures to back that up?

It is true that pedophiles try to get jobs that get them access to children. But the fact is, a child is more likely to be molested by a relative than a stranger.

The difference is, how the institutions handled it. When a teacher is caught molesting a kid, he's taken out of the classroom and action is taken to either imprison him or fire him. Now, I do think (and have criticized) the Teacher's Unions for siding with these slimeballs, especially when their guilt has been established.

The Catholic Church, however, when confronted with this problem, simply moved the priest to another parish. They'd settle with the victims, but also demand non-disclosure agreements to protect the Church's image. And more often than not, the same priest would do it again at the new parish.

Great movie, called "Deliver us from Evil" about a priest in California who was moved from four different parishes, each time the Church papering it over with law enforcement and the families.

More to the point, it's the church's own policies. If they had a clergy of married men and even women, with normal, healthy sex lives, they wouldn't have this problem.

Let's grant that the vast majority of Catholic priests were not engaging in this kind of behavior. They should have still seen it was wrong and put a stop to it. But probably most of them were dealing with their own sexual hangups.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

For the crimes of child molestation and the cover up, the offending persons should be brought to justice without question. It doesn't follow, however, that the entire religion lose any portion of its constitutional protection. If a small handfull of individuals commit a crime, you don't find a common demographic between them and then punish everyone therein.

In this case it seems pretty open and shut. There's a philosophical argument that I won't get into in this post about whether or not "access to contraceptives" is a basic human right. I'm a big fan of abstract argument, but in the case of actual legislation law is the final arbiter. In this case, we do have a right actually specifically enumerated in our structural legal documents to practice religion freely. We do not, however, have any enumerated right to free contraceptives. It seems to me that, legally, this argument's a slam dunk in favor of the catholic church. It's hard to legally justify infringing on a constitutional right in favor of a "right" that, in the US legal arena, doesn't officially exist. Especially when this new "right" isn't something that's a necessity to human existence, and therefore the religious practice isn't actually harmful. And before the rebuff on that last statement, let me reiterate: contraceptives are not a necessity in that they are a failsafe for recreational sex, which is not necessary to basic human existence. Just like if my religious practice prevented me from paying for your skydiving parachute, or the bright orange on green camo truckers hat you're wearing out to the shooting range to make sure nobody mistakes you for a pinger, I'm not actually doing you any harm. I'm simply not enabling you to engage safely in certain recreational activities on my dime.

 

[Avatar4321]

Despite 3 pages of attempts to distract, you still havent established that pedophiles that have been dealt with are still a problem and that this somehow gives the government the power to force people to act contrary to their beliefs.

 

[JoeB131]

Despite 3 pages of attempts to distract, you still havent established that pedophiles that have been dealt with are still a problem and that this somehow gives the government the power to force people to act contrary to their beliefs.

No one really argued that...

We just argued that the Church, given it's history, really doesn't have the MORAL authority to preach to the rest of us.

Incidently, as far as I'm concerned, they haven't been "dealt with". Cardinal Law, who hid Gergen and the others in MA, is in Rome outside a supeonas' power.