Carl Sagan in 1985, addressing the UN on anthropogenic climate change

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Show me where on this curve?

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Why? I am not your mommy. You sure beg a lot for others to do your book reports.

 

[ding]

"Hence CO2 has never been shown to drive the climate of the earth throughout the geologic record"

Oops, wrong.

See? You could have just fallen on your face 2 pages ago instead of dragging it out.

Or maybe you can show me where on this curve.

 

[ding]

Why? I am not your mommy. You sure beg a lot for others to do your book reports.

I just presented millions of years of data showing CO2 lagging temperature.

Where's your data? You saying something is so without any data to support it is called lying.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

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May I suggest a resource for you? They answer reader questions regarding their articles. Questions like:

Why does CO2 drive global warming when there is only 0.04% of it in the atmosphere? And why isn’t water vapor the major driving factor?

Go here:

Columbia Climate School

www.climate.columbia.edu

 

[ding]

Why? I am not your mommy. You sure beg a lot for others to do your book reports.

Next question you won't answer.

There are no empirical experiments that can quantify the radiative forcing of CO2 from 300 ppm to 420 ppm.

Do you disagree?

 

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May I suggest a resource for you? They answer reader questions regarding their articles. Questions like:

Why does CO2 drive global warming when there is only 0.04% of it in the atmosphere? And why isn’t water vapor the major driving factor?

Go here:

Columbia Climate School

www.climate.columbia.edu

We are discussing CO2 lagging temperature by 800 years. Do you have any data for that? Posting links that don't address that topic is lying.

 

[ding]

To summarize so far:

Fort Fun Indiana does not dispute with any supporting data:

1. Relative to water vapor, CO2 is a minor greenhouse gas.
2. Prior to the industrial revolution that CO2 lagged temperature by ~800 years.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

We are discussing CO2 lagging temperature by 800 years. Do you have any data for that? Posting links that don't address that topic is lying.

This is your book report, not mine. Make a point, and we will scrutinize it. Your last one was wrong and false, so I am not very hopeful

 

[ding]

This is your book report, not mine. Make a point, and we will scrutinize it. Your last one was wrong and false, so I am not very hopeful

Don't worry, darling, I'm getting there.

There are no empirical experiments that can quantify the radiative forcing of CO2 from 300 ppm to 420 ppm.

Do you disagree?

 

[ding]

Fort Fun Indiana

And here's a link that actually discusses why CO2 lagged temperature prior to the industrial revolution unlike that bullshit link you gave to a website homepage that didn't discuss CO2 lagging temperature.

5. Why does CO2 lag temperature? – Climate Change Action Team

climatecat.eu

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Don't worry, darling, I'm getting there.

Well I hope it's a better attempt than your last one.

 

[ding]

Your last one was wrong and false, so I am not very hopeful

These guys say otherwise.

5. Why does CO2 lag temperature? – Climate Change Action Team

climatecat.eu

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

And here's a link that actually discusses why CO2 lags temperature unlike that bullshit link you gave to a website homepage that didn't discuss CO2 lagging temperature.

5. Why does CO2 lag temperature? – Climate Change Action Team

climatecat.eu

And here is an article that debunks the tired old denier point you are about to regurgitate.

CO2 lags temperature - what does it mean?

<p>When the Earth comes out of an ice age, the warming is not initiated by CO2 but by changes in the Earth's orbit. The warming causes the oceans to give up CO2. The CO2 amplifies the warming and mixes through the atmosphere, spreading warming throughout the planet. So CO2 causes warming...

skepticalscience.com

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

These guys say otherwise.

Liar. Nowhere in the article do they support your claim or contradict the fact that it is false.

I see this has turned into another episode of "ding pinches off a steaming pile and thinks everyone else has to sift through it" episode. Moving on...

 

[ding]

Liar. Nowhere in the article do they support your claim or contradict the fact that it is false.

Last point that you won't address before I answer the question you asked. I think this is the third request.

There are no empirical experiments that can quantify the radiative forcing of CO2 from 300 ppm to 420 ppm.

Do you disagree?

 

[ding]

Where is the empirical test QUANTIFYING the radiative forcing of CO2 from 300 ppm to 420 ppm?

Where O where is it

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Excerpts from Sagan's essay from 1980:

"The principal energy sources of our present industrial civilization are the so-called fossil fuels. We burn wood and oil, coal and natural gas, and, in the process, release waste gases, principally CO2, into the air. Consequently, the carbon dioxide content of the Earth's atmosphere is increasing dramatically. The possibility of a runaway greenhouse effect suggests that we have to be careful: Even a one- or two- degree rise in the global temperature can have catastrophic consequences. In the burning of coal and oil and gasoline, we are also putting sulfuric acid into the atmosphere. Like Venus, our stratosphere even now has a substantial mist of tiny sulfuric acid droplets. Our major cities are polluted with noxious molecules. We do not understand the long- term effects of our course of action."

 

[Ray9]

You gotta love Carl Sagan. He's like an early version of Anthony Fauci. Remember the time he wanted to detonate an atomic bomb on the moon to show the Soviets who was boss?

The time when US wanted to detonate a nuclear bomb on the moon • Soul:Ask | Unlock your mind and soul

In the United States during the Cold War, there was a plan to explode a nuclear bomb on the moon as a "demonstration of dominance" before the Soviet

www.soulask.com

 

[ding]

Liar. Nowhere in the article do they support your claim or contradict the fact that it is false.

Au contraire. The paper describes CO2 reinforcing climate change, not driving climate change. And CO2 reinforcing climate change can only be proven by empirical evidence which quantifies the radiative forcing of CO2 from glacial to interglacial levels. Something they don't have.

The study shows that the initial stages of increasing temperatures after the last ice age were triggered by the Milanković cycles. This initiated a reaction chain, leading to the heating of the oceans, which then released CO2. With the increasing greenhouse effect, temperatures started to increase and the emission of CO2 from the oceans into the atmosphere accumulated. The time lag between CO2 and temperature is caused by a temporal offset between the oceans heating up and the constant release of oceanic CO2. Through this accumulating effect, CO2 became the primary driver of temperature during the glacial-interglacial warming. The increasing CO2 levels then become both, the cause and effect of further warming. This positive feedback is necessary to trigger the shifts between glacials and interglacials as the effect of orbital changes is too weak to cause such variation.

 

[daveman]

Excerpts from Sagan's essay from 1980:

"The principal energy sources of our present industrial civilization are the so-called fossil fuels. We burn wood and oil, coal and natural gas, and, in the process, release waste gases, principally CO2, into the air. Consequently, the carbon dioxide content of the Earth's atmosphere is increasing dramatically. The possibility of a runaway greenhouse effect suggests that we have to be careful: Even a one- or two- degree rise in the global temperature can have catastrophic consequences. In the burning of coal and oil and gasoline, we are also putting sulfuric acid into the atmosphere. Like Venus, our stratosphere even now has a substantial mist of tiny sulfuric acid droplets. Our major cities are polluted with noxious molecules. We do not understand the long- term effects of our course of action."

Obviously, world socialism is the only thing that can save us.