You appear to be sadly ignorant of how elites in the US have plundered the property rights of Haitians ever since the first (and only) successful slave revolt in human history:
Somehow I knew something funny would be said. And oddly, I even guessed that someone would say Rome.
Rome did not fall from property rights. In fact, by any rational logic, it was the destruction of property rights that killed off the Roman Republic.
Before falling into a tyranny of the Caesars dictatorship, they were a Republic, much like our own, with an aspect that the rule of law came above the rule of the people.
However, over time the will of the people over government, became stronger, and populist politicians using sway over the mob, increased their personal gain, by handing out gifts from the public treasury.
At one point, the government was broke, and started declaring individual citizens as traitors to Roma, having them killed, and confiscating all their money, property and wealth, to pay for the public hand outs to the masses.
DOES THAT SOUND LIKE CAPITALISM AND PROPERTY RIGHTS TO YOU?!?
Of course not. It's more like Marxist Socialism, and a push towards "equality". Of course as one might expect, the wealth business and property owners left Roma in mass, which of course dried up jobs, dried up production, dried up wealth, and Roma became poorer.
Of course once you teach people the way to get free stuff is to riot and mob violence (which is how they got the original hand outs), then guess what the citizens of Roma did when the city started falling into poverty? They rioted more. Eventually this led to the dictatorship of the Caesars.
So no, I'm sorry. Roma is not an example of a country where "property rights killed the country!". Complete and utter crap.
However, I want to back up to your previous statement.
"And more than a few have vanished from the page of time because of inequity."
Here's the problem... Let's even pretend for a moment that what you said was true. Let's pretend that possibly some countries have disappeared from "inequality". (total crap claim).
Can you name for me a single nation, anywhere in the world, at any time in history or the present, which has grown to G10 levels, or 1st world standards, with zero inequality?
North and South Korea? Venezuela? Cuba? Soviet Russia? Maoist China vs Hong Kong? The Philippines? Vietnam?
Name the country you would claim is the Workers Paradise?
Of course it doesn't exist. Every country that has advanced and progressed, and grown into a high standard of living, has been a nation of inequality.
Nor can you find a country with poor property rights, that had been successful. Just look at Haiti.
The property ownership laws in Haiti are so ambiguous and pro-squatters, that when charities went to Haiti specifically to build houses, they ended up building nothing, because they could never nail down who owned the lots.
In fact there were stories of people who fled their homes fearing the Earthquake had made the home unsafe, only to return to find someone living in their home, and they had no legal right to remove them.
This alone prevented the rebuilding of Haiti, because why would you do repairs on a home that you could no longer live in? Of course the Squatters themselves also had no legal right to the home, and thus they could not repair the home either.
Then some idiot socialists stands around and claims that 'property rights are the problem'? Can you not see the misery that lack of property rights has created?
Haiti today.
Can Haiti Close Its Tent Camps By 2015?
To this day, nearly 4 years after the Earth quake, there are STILL 150,000 people living in tents.
That's where your anti-property-rights mantra gets you.
The government of Rome was controlled by rich parasites.
And corporate America:
You appear to be sadly ignorant of how elites in the US have plundered the property rights of Haitians ever since the first (and only) successful slave revolt in human history:
Somehow I knew something funny would be said. And oddly, I even guessed that someone would say Rome.
Rome did not fall from property rights. In fact, by any rational logic, it was the destruction of property rights that killed off the Roman Republic.
Before falling into a tyranny of the Caesars dictatorship, they were a Republic, much like our own, with an aspect that the rule of law came above the rule of the people.
However, over time the will of the people over government, became stronger, and populist politicians using sway over the mob, increased their personal gain, by handing out gifts from the public treasury.
At one point, the government was broke, and started declaring individual citizens as traitors to Roma, having them killed, and confiscating all their money, property and wealth, to pay for the public hand outs to the masses.
DOES THAT SOUND LIKE CAPITALISM AND PROPERTY RIGHTS TO YOU?!?
Of course not. It's more like Marxist Socialism, and a push towards "equality". Of course as one might expect, the wealth business and property owners left Roma in mass, which of course dried up jobs, dried up production, dried up wealth, and Roma became poorer.
Of course once you teach people the way to get free stuff is to riot and mob violence (which is how they got the original hand outs), then guess what the citizens of Roma did when the city started falling into poverty? They rioted more. Eventually this led to the dictatorship of the Caesars.
So no, I'm sorry. Roma is not an example of a country where "property rights killed the country!". Complete and utter crap.
However, I want to back up to your previous statement.
"And more than a few have vanished from the page of time because of inequity."
Here's the problem... Let's even pretend for a moment that what you said was true. Let's pretend that possibly some countries have disappeared from "inequality". (total crap claim).
Can you name for me a single nation, anywhere in the world, at any time in history or the present, which has grown to G10 levels, or 1st world standards, with zero inequality?
North and South Korea? Venezuela? Cuba? Soviet Russia? Maoist China vs Hong Kong? The Philippines? Vietnam?
Name the country you would claim is the Workers Paradise?
Of course it doesn't exist. Every country that has advanced and progressed, and grown into a high standard of living, has been a nation of inequality.
Nor can you find a country with poor property rights, that had been successful. Just look at Haiti.
The property ownership laws in Haiti are so ambiguous and pro-squatters, that when charities went to Haiti specifically to build houses, they ended up building nothing, because they could never nail down who owned the lots.
In fact there were stories of people who fled their homes fearing the Earthquake had made the home unsafe, only to return to find someone living in their home, and they had no legal right to remove them.
This alone prevented the rebuilding of Haiti, because why would you do repairs on a home that you could no longer live in? Of course the Squatters themselves also had no legal right to the home, and thus they could not repair the home either.
Then some idiot socialists stands around and claims that 'property rights are the problem'? Can you not see the misery that lack of property rights has created?
Haiti today.
Can Haiti Close Its Tent Camps By 2015?
To this day, nearly 4 years after the Earth quake, there are STILL 150,000 people living in tents.
That's where your anti-property-rights mantra gets you.
"What has become of Haiti and the Haitian people since the earthquake of 12 January 2010? It is three years since the catastrophic earthquake that killed over 300,000 Haitian people in 35 seconds; followed by the devastating loss of more than 7,800 people who have died of cholera due to UN Nepalese troops stationed in northern Haiti since October 2010.
"More than 93,000 people have become ill and some 7,500 have died from the disease. [1] The tail end of hurricane Sandy in the winter of 2012 took a further 54 lives. The last two tragedies failed to get massive Western media attention as the earthquake did in January 2010.
"Has the world forgotten Haiti?
"Is the world immune to the suffering of the Haitian people?"
"Africa cannot forget this island that is intrinsically part of Pan-Africa, nor its courageous people who established the worldÂ’s first black republic in 1804 under Jacque Dessalines; defiantly abolished slavery and as a consequence the United States refused to recognise this sovereign nation until 58 years later; paid a financial indemnity to its former French overlords of 150 million francs as compensation for FranceÂ’s losses in slaves.
"Haiti continues to suffer and pay for the crime of defying its former colonial masters and its new imperial masters in the form of the US, Canada and the UN. HaitiÂ’s suffering remains on an incalculable human level."
Haiti: Capitalist Plunder and Empty Promises | Black Agenda Report
Since US Capitalism took root in an economic environment when "property rights" extended to owning another human being, anyone who hasn't been ingesting corporate kool-aid all their lives can plainly see how inequality was fundamental to Haitian poverty.
Where did you get the idea the US has no control over the policies of Haiti?You appear to be sadly ignorant of how elites in the US have plundered the property rights of Haitians ever since the first (and only) successful slave revolt in human history:Somehow I knew something funny would be said. And oddly, I even guessed that someone would say Rome.
Rome did not fall from property rights. In fact, by any rational logic, it was the destruction of property rights that killed off the Roman Republic.
Before falling into a tyranny of the Caesars dictatorship, they were a Republic, much like our own, with an aspect that the rule of law came above the rule of the people.
However, over time the will of the people over government, became stronger, and populist politicians using sway over the mob, increased their personal gain, by handing out gifts from the public treasury.
At one point, the government was broke, and started declaring individual citizens as traitors to Roma, having them killed, and confiscating all their money, property and wealth, to pay for the public hand outs to the masses.
DOES THAT SOUND LIKE CAPITALISM AND PROPERTY RIGHTS TO YOU?!?
Of course not. It's more like Marxist Socialism, and a push towards "equality". Of course as one might expect, the wealth business and property owners left Roma in mass, which of course dried up jobs, dried up production, dried up wealth, and Roma became poorer.
Of course once you teach people the way to get free stuff is to riot and mob violence (which is how they got the original hand outs), then guess what the citizens of Roma did when the city started falling into poverty? They rioted more. Eventually this led to the dictatorship of the Caesars.
So no, I'm sorry. Roma is not an example of a country where "property rights killed the country!". Complete and utter crap.
However, I want to back up to your previous statement.
"And more than a few have vanished from the page of time because of inequity."
Here's the problem... Let's even pretend for a moment that what you said was true. Let's pretend that possibly some countries have disappeared from "inequality". (total crap claim).
Can you name for me a single nation, anywhere in the world, at any time in history or the present, which has grown to G10 levels, or 1st world standards, with zero inequality?
North and South Korea? Venezuela? Cuba? Soviet Russia? Maoist China vs Hong Kong? The Philippines? Vietnam?
Name the country you would claim is the Workers Paradise?
Of course it doesn't exist. Every country that has advanced and progressed, and grown into a high standard of living, has been a nation of inequality.
Nor can you find a country with poor property rights, that had been successful. Just look at Haiti.
The property ownership laws in Haiti are so ambiguous and pro-squatters, that when charities went to Haiti specifically to build houses, they ended up building nothing, because they could never nail down who owned the lots.
In fact there were stories of people who fled their homes fearing the Earthquake had made the home unsafe, only to return to find someone living in their home, and they had no legal right to remove them.
This alone prevented the rebuilding of Haiti, because why would you do repairs on a home that you could no longer live in? Of course the Squatters themselves also had no legal right to the home, and thus they could not repair the home either.
Then some idiot socialists stands around and claims that 'property rights are the problem'? Can you not see the misery that lack of property rights has created?
Haiti today.
Can Haiti Close Its Tent Camps By 2015?
To this day, nearly 4 years after the Earth quake, there are STILL 150,000 people living in tents.
That's where your anti-property-rights mantra gets you.
"What has become of Haiti and the Haitian people since the earthquake of 12 January 2010? It is three years since the catastrophic earthquake that killed over 300,000 Haitian people in 35 seconds; followed by the devastating loss of more than 7,800 people who have died of cholera due to UN Nepalese troops stationed in northern Haiti since October 2010.
"More than 93,000 people have become ill and some 7,500 have died from the disease. [1] The tail end of hurricane Sandy in the winter of 2012 took a further 54 lives. The last two tragedies failed to get massive Western media attention as the earthquake did in January 2010.
"Has the world forgotten Haiti?
"Is the world immune to the suffering of the Haitian people?"
"Africa cannot forget this island that is intrinsically part of Pan-Africa, nor its courageous people who established the worldÂ’s first black republic in 1804 under Jacque Dessalines; defiantly abolished slavery and as a consequence the United States refused to recognise this sovereign nation until 58 years later; paid a financial indemnity to its former French overlords of 150 million francs as compensation for FranceÂ’s losses in slaves.
"Haiti continues to suffer and pay for the crime of defying its former colonial masters and its new imperial masters in the form of the US, Canada and the UN. HaitiÂ’s suffering remains on an incalculable human level."
Haiti: Capitalist Plunder and Empty Promises | Black Agenda Report
Since US Capitalism took root in an economic environment when "property rights" extended to owning another human being, anyone who hasn't been ingesting corporate kool-aid all their lives can plainly see how inequality was fundamental to Haitian poverty.
Which ignores the fact that we have no control over their policies now, anymore than we do in the Dominican Republic.
The DR have strong property rights, and because of that everyone is more wealthy. Haiti does not, and because of that everyone is more poor and impoverished.
It's pretty pathetic that your only excuse for what Haiti is worse of, is because of slavery decades ago. Then explain DR? Slavery was abolished in Haiti, before it was abolished in DR.
Further, the evil US occupied DR in 1916, and in 1965. After the 1965 operation, civilians wrote "yankees come back", indicating their support of us being there.
Now compare the DR to Haiti today? Why is DR doing so well, and the other doing so badly it has masses of people flooding across the boarder every day to work in jobs in DR?
See all your blaw blaw blaw, and all these links to intellectual idiots, can't change the facts. DR is doing many times better than Haiti, and it all stems from the economic socialist policies that Haiti has. The lack of property rights. The nationalization of property and business.
Meanwhile the evil capitalist based DR, with it's pro-personal-property rights, and pro-business pro-corporation based policies, is doing far far better, and everyone in the DR, from the richest to the poorest, is doing far better than those in Haiti. Nothing you said changes that.
I never said debasing the currency was the only reason rich Romans prospered at the expense of the poor. Debasing contributed to inflation; once Rome stopped conquering new lands, gold imports decreased, the rich continued spending gold on luxury items, and the amount of gold used in coins decreased. Obviously, the urban decay and unemployment in Rome stemming from slavery contributed to its decline; however, all of those evils trace back to the early formations of vast, private fortunes. Similarly, large private fortunes in France and Venezuela today are trying to flee their histories of wage slavery.
"America’s new ‘economic guillotine’ is dead ahead.
