Candice Owens to Speak at the Republican National Convention

[Paul Essien]

Below is a link to a site about gun violence. Among other things, it says that:

1.) Black men make up 52% of all gun homicide victims, despite comprising less than 7% of the US population.

2.) Black Americans are 10 times more likely than white Americans to die by gun homicide, and 14 times more likely than white Americans to be injured in a gun assault.

3.) Gun violence is the second-leading cause of death among children overall and the first-leading cause of death among black children.

4.) Black children are 10 times more likely to be killed in a gun homicide than white children.

5.) Black women are twice as likely as white women to be fatally shot by an intimate partner.

Gun Violence Statistics | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

Also, my niece’s husband is black and a police officer and he says the majority of their calls involve blacks.

What needs to happen ?

1) There needs to be legislation that will penalise people for calling the police on black people for B.S on a state and federal level.

2) Every state need to be a hate crime law.

3) There needs to be a constitutional convention, that is the 13th amendment need to be ratified because that leads to the mass incarceration of black people.

4) Anyone looking to serve as an officer in a blk community should submit to a probationary period of four months. During that time, they would be on the payroll, but they would not have powers of arrest. They would have no gun. Their job would be to get to know the communities and neighborhoods where they seek to serve. Finding out what they want and need from law enforcement.

And after that the community would get to vote if they get the job.

Black ppl have inter-grated into a burning building and figuring out how to get comfortable. America was built on a cracked foundation and you can't build on a cracked foundation

But now the media is trying soften the police's image "O the police are just as disgusted at this at blacks are"

The enforcement arm of white supremacy is under great stress and they are trying to get blk ppl to settle. "Hey cmon, we'll put a few negroes in this or that spot and that'll calm you negroes down. I mean you negroes like to live vicariously don't you ?"

This is marathon. Not a sprint. What are these white people gonna be like in two months time ? When it's died down ?

That's it, just keep blaming whitey for black men killing each other and your children.

What do you mean "What thugs"? The thug cops you were talking about. How many of those "thug" cops are black?

Racist actions do not require that the person be white. Black folks are capable of internalising and then acting upon the same anti-black prejudices and stereotypes as whites.

The culture of law enforcement encourages a siege mentality among its members, and this mentality often plays out in a blatantly racist fashion, no matter the color of the person wearing the uniform.

And let's look at the word "Thug" to how white people have racialized that word

Here is how many web pages use the following phrases according to Google:

• 497,000 “black thugs”
• 87,100 “white thugs”

Or:

• 3,440 “ray rice is a thug”
• 6 “charlie sheen is a thug”

Even though Sheen has a much longer history of violence against women and his name appears on twice as many web pages.

Compare:

White mass killers:

• 0 “dylan klebold was a thug”
• 0 “the tsarnaev brothers were thugs”
• 0 “james holmes was a thug”
• 1 “tim mcveigh was a thug”
• 1 “adam lanza was a thug”

Famous White criminals:

• 1 “ted bundy was a thug”
• 4 “charles manson was a thug”
• 5 “bill the kid was a thug”
• 5 “bonnie and clyde were thugs””

Fictional White criminals:

• 6 “tony soprano was a thug”

Unarmed Blacks killed by the police or neighbourhood watch:

• 7,320 “eric garner was a thug”
• 8,650 “oscar grant was a thug”
• 26,200 “trayvon martin was a thug”
• 45,200 “michael brown was a thug”
• 24,300 "George Floyd was a thug"

You were the one who used the word (in reference to police officers), not me.

Oh yes, the police kill more whites than blacks. Whites just don't riot, loot and burn every time it happens.

Huntington Beach in Cali is overwhelmingly White. Every summer the city host the U.S. Open of Surfing. The Huntington Beach Riot did not get much attention from the mainstream media.

Even worse these young white ppl were so fragile and delicate that could not cope because an annual tournament ended. There were fights on the streets, especially among young White females, and burglary from young White males. The local news reporters and officials didn’t refer to these White rioters and looters as thugs.

So lighting a whole bus on fire and destroying people’s cars, fighting and shooting guns randomly because a baseball team won the World Series is acceptable, but rioting because of blatant income inequality, lack of opportunity and disregard for black life is not acceptable?

Only a white supremacist can rationalize something like that.

Have you seen me trying to rationalize white rioting? Whites riot and for equally stupid reasons and it pisses me off every time. It just doesn't seem to happen as often.

How, by destroying someone's business and livelihood?

Power is not taken politely.

What power does the owner of, say, a liquor store have over you?

So burn it all down as far I'm concerned. I don't give a care about insured buildings.

Most business owners do not own the buildings they operate out of. Most of them lease the offices and stores they use.

These businesses provide jobs and tax revenue for the community. All you're doing when you loot and burn is hurt yourselves and your own community.

You want cities and states to allocate more funds and resources to help the black community but you destroy the one thing that provides this: Commerce and business. Commerce and business provides the city with tax revenue. Destroy enough businesses and they will take their business, jobs and taxes elsewhere. We already see it happening in places like Seattle.

And to you who are complaining at the riots

Well the last time blk ppl complained at police brutality. We took a knee.

What could possibly have been more politically correct, more friendly to white ppls tender sensitivities than taken a knee ? There were no riots. No uprisings.

Some people would have complained no matter what Kaepernick did. But that's just the nature of the beast.

A lot of people didn't care for his manner of protest but no one suggested he didn't have the right to do it. It was his free speech right to do so and it broke no laws. Looting and burning DOES break the law, however.

But did you see anyone say "O since you negroes asked so politely. We're gonna have legislation. Yes !! Legislation today !! We are going to have the FBI set up a taskforce to round up all the racists who kill blk ppl. Were gonna have laws to put ppl who call the police on blk ppl just 4 being blk in jail"

Did they do that ? Happen. Not. Gonna.

Power isn't given. It's taken. Power isn't taken politely. I'm happy that black ppl are bullying white supremacy. I'm happy that blk ppl are happy with sharp elbows.

And as the world has seen. You push and they bk down. They get the message.

No unarmed blk people in Minneapolis have been killed by the Police since George Floyd

Gee. I wonder why ?

What "power" does a black (or white) small business owner have over you?

Wrong. You're getting criticism for many reasons and "fighting for everyone’s rights" is not one of them. Other whites and even other blacks (my niece's husband being one of them) have their own reasons for criticizing but below is a short list of things that bother me and piss me off the most about this so called "fight for rights".

OK. Go on give me a good laugh.

I already gave you the list dumbass.

1.) Any time a black man is shot by police, no one waits to get more information or to get the details or the full story before they start rioting, looting and burning and attacking police stations.

That would be a sensible thing to do if the police wasn't rotten to the core with white supremacists. Waiting to get more information is basically waiting on them to spins this into a lie

Some of these cop shootings are justified. That's why people should wait for an investigation.

This is about the anti black war. It's about black targeting and whites been given a pass like this

It's about under oath, GBI Special Agent Richard Dial said Travis McMichael, one of the men who murdered #AhmaudArbery, stood over his body and called him a "fucking n*gger". Federal hate crime charges should be filed right now.

But these are the white people black people should trust ? If this evidence wasn’t available? They would still be denying the racial element.

It's about white woman calling the police to get black ppl killed like Amy Cooper.

She deserves an Oscar

What Amy Cooper did was stupid and unnecessary. But she was charged for this incident.
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2.) Businesses and personal property of people who are innocent of the shooting is destroyed.

Meanwhile it's fine for whites to riot over Final Four games, or Pumpkin Festival because of $10 veggie burritos at Woodstock ’99 and because there weren’t enough Porta-Potties after the Limp Bizkit set and whites did it when you couldn’t get enough beer at the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake, and because Penn State fired Joe Paterno.

No, it's NOT fine. White people rioting and destroying property does not make it okay for blacks to do so.

3.) Black-owned businesses are destroyed along with white-owned businesses.

Well the fault lies with white people.

So to protest white racism you destroy a black man or black woman's business? You do realize some of these businesses are black-owned, right? Do black business owners have power over you like white business owners supposedly do?

If they treated the people that paralysed Jacob Blake and the people who killed George Floyd just like they treated Mohamed Noor then cities around the US wouldn't be out of control, businesses would still be standing, and mostly operational right now.

That's how you know that these death are racial killings and these white supremacists cops are being protected by fellow anti-Black racists in the justice system.

All they had to do is arrest the other cops and charge all of them with first degree murder. It’s that simple but white supremacy hates taking L’s so they rather let the country burn than charge those cops.

Further proof that you can’t put a price tag on white supremacy. They will destroy the world before they give it up. For them there is no purpose to life without white supremacy and privilege.

All three officers in the Floyd case were charged. You said you wanted justice and so you got justice. But you rioted anyway.

4.) Whites who criticize the destruction are labelled as racists.

The issue is not about being white and therefore “unable” to criticize black people.

Jesus, how anyone could believe that in a culture where white critique of black people is a daily, hourly, minute-by-minute pastime is beyond me.

Rather the issue is why are you more angry at blk people calling out racism than you are at white ppl practicing it ?

I'm angry because most of the time what is deemed racism is not.

5.) Whites are called racists for the stupidest reasons imaginable.

Wrong. Black people are actually reluctant to allege racism, be it on the job, or in schools, or anywhere else.

Most black folks stuff their experiences with racism and only make an allegation as a last straw.

Bull-fucking-shit. Everybody, blacks AND whites, have gone race crazy and are seeing racism everywhere, even where it is not. My own experiences have proven this to me.

White denial trumps claims of racism. Plus black people are generally reliant on white people for jobs and housing and that's one of the many ways racism protects itself by creating a dependency for the people it sh*ts on.

Wrong. TRUTH trumps false claims of racism.

6.) Blacks who disagree with the manner and spirit of the protests are labelled as sellouts.

OK. So what is your solution? What is your solution to stopping systematic racism in the police force ?

Write them a nice letter. Bake them a cake ? Give me a good laugh.

The real question here is: What is your solution to the vilification of blacks who form their own opinions for their own reasons and disagree with rioting and looting?

No one's pointing a finger here but you. Do you understand that I'm telling you all this about black crime and dead black children because YOU are the one telling me and other whites that black lives matter but you do absolutely nothing about the one thing ending the most black lives: Other blacks.

There is not an mass killing of black children that is not happening.

Again, that's "en masse", not "on masse" or "an masse" or "in masse' or even "in my ass". It's French and literally translates as "in mass", meaning: as one; all at once; as a whole.

No, black children are not being killed en masse and I never said they were. That was your term, not mine. However, according to the website I linked (and you laughed at), black children are disproportionately killed by gunfire compared to white children. At ten times the rate of white children to be exact.

This is not a number I pulled out of my own ass, these are real numbers that pretty much any website citing firearm death statistics will tell you.

And once again. You are judging black people by the way white people treat white kids

This is about shooting deaths, not child pornography. Try to stay focused.

Do you see what I'm getting at? You go apeshit over two or three black men killed by police but say nothing about five children being killed by black men in a two day period.

You keep on saying

"dead black children"
"dead black children"
"dead black children"
"dead black children"
"dead black children"
"dead black children"
"dead black children"
"dead black children"
"dead black children"
"dead black children"

I've told you this is the Adolf Hitler tactic.

Thinking if you say it often enough it will stick.

There's no a mass killing of black children by black people in the America

Don't take my word for it. Google "black children killed in shootings statistics" or some combination thereof and see what you get. In fact, I'm willing to bet that most other blacks on this forum are very much aware of the problem even if you are not. Ask them.

While you're screaming at whites and police that black lives matter, black men who don't think black lives matter are killing your fucking children. I mean, Jesus Christ man.

I'm not screaming. That's just your white supremacist mindset into thinking about black people as angry and aggressive.

Trust me I'm

Who said anything about black people as "angry and aggressive"?

There has to be humility on the part of white people. They have a lot to answer for.

I don't have anything to answer for and I will never answer for anything I'm not guilty of. You'll never see me grovelling at the feet of some rapper to clean his goddamn shoes. I am quite secure and confident in my moral character that I will always stand with my head up and I will never bow to anyone's fatuous moral posturing and breast-beating telling me I'm racist because of my white skin. Which is racist in and of itself to begin with. As you would say: Happen. Not. Gonna.

Racism won’t go away as long as they are too afraid to just sit down, be honest, and look at why it’s still a problem and actually help find a solution.

No I don’t mean find a solution as in tell black people what to think or think that being nice to a black waitress gets you a medal. I mean genuinely sitting down, looking at themselves and realizing that there’s a whole world out there beyond themselves and their culture and they don’t have the right to pretend the entire universe was reserved for only them.

Humility.

As long as you and other whites just view the situation as a case of angry black people instead of viewing things from a perspective that does not favour the privilege you (deep in side) are too scared to lose, you won’t have that “Kumbaya” you keep asking for.

None of this applies to me. Maybe some whites, but not me. As for a solution, I will continue to interact with black people as I've always done with anyone: with civility and respect. I will continue to make black friends as I've always done and I will continue to love and care for the blacks in my family.

And the parents of black children killed in gang shootouts, what do they think of your efforts to put racism front and center?

There's not mass killings of black children by black people in America.

Didn't say there was.

I will stop pointing a finger when you stop with the frivolous and false accusations of racism and stop blaming white cops ftor killing off black men when your own people are killing off black men even faster than cops are and killing off your children.

There's not mass killings of black children by black people in America.

Didn't say there was.

I was using your own analogy but to convey something different. What I should have said is that, hypothetically speaking, it's like lung cancer is the bigger killer but victims of lung cancer are crusading against breast cancer. That's what the black community does: rage against breast cancer (white cops) for killing blacks while lung cancer (black men) is ravaging the community even worse.

The difference is Breast cancer sufferers (Cops) are killing lung cancer sufferers (Black men).

Sometimes justifiably. Some cop shootings are not justified and in most of those cases, the cop is prosecuted. However, not all cop shootings of black men are unjustified. A lot of blacks like you refuse to see or acknowledge this.

There is no such thing as black on black crime. There is just crime.

Then why do you keep posting these stories of white murderers, child molesters and drug addicts and telling me white crime is worse?

You're contradicting yourself.

Black people are not killing other black people because of the colour of their skin. Criminals will hurt those around them regardless of their race.

You dumbass. No one's saying blacks are killing other blacks because of the color of their skin. They're killing each other in gang wars.

Maybe the question should be why are such a large percentage of black people poor?

Then my question is: Why are you asking me? Ask poor blacks what life choices they made to put themselves or keep themselves mired in poverty.

Why is the rate of violence actually higher among poor, urban whites? Why don’t we ever discuss the economic impact of redlining and segregation on rates of violence?

Are you willing to detour into a brief explanation of why schools with large percentages of blacks are underfunded even though they have the same tax base and incomes?

Do you have time to talk about the wage gap? Unemployment disparities?

All of these factors contribute to crime rates. So if you want to have a conversation about black-on-black crime, you should be careful, because, like most conversations about race, it will end up back in the same place:

White supremacy.

Do you have time to talk about what blacks can do to help themselves?

The white man will never solve your problems for you. I can guarantee you that much.

Do you think Bin laden gave two shits whether his victims were black or white? The attack killed more whites because of the targets and the targets were not determined by the predominant skin color of the potential victims. He chose the targets he did because he knew that the destruction of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon would have the most psychological effect on Americans.

And imagine the head of Homeland Security walked up to the microphone to hold a press conference about the 9-11 terrorist attack, and when reporters start asking him about stopping terrorism and catching Bin Laden, he begins talking about texting and driving.

Sounds stupid, right?

But distracted driving kills more Americans each year than terrorism (and black-on-black crime), according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

So, to you we should be discussing this first.

There WAS no Homeland Security when 9/11 happened. The Department of Homeland Security was formed because of 9/11.

This may seem like a minor distinction and beside the point but I bring it up because it illustrates your lack of knowledge and awareness of certain things and in turn, your opinions and conclusions are often based on falsehoods, assumptions and conjecture.

Irrelevant to my point.

Not irrelevant at. Clean your own house up first.

You clean yours and I'll clean mine. Deal?

Because whites don't blame cops or blacks or anyone but the killers for murdering them. It wasn't whites that started this misguided and misinformed crusade against cops for killing fewer of their people than fellow whites.

Let me tell you something.

If the police started killing unarmed white kids and teens at the same rate they do blks ?

You wouldn't just see riots. You'd see ambush attacks on police. You'd see pipe bombs, booby traps. White society would go to war against the cops. Just look at the Cliven Bundys of this world.

And I respect that.

That's one thing I would give white society credit for.

You'd rather DIE than be oppressed or subjugated.

And I gotta respect that.

Irrelevant. The point is, the black community has a higher crime RATE than the white community. At the end of the year you'll see that whites committed the most crimes in raw numbers. But that's only because whites outnumber blacks about 3 to 1. As shown in the statistics I cited, blacks are more likely to die by homicide than whites and usually it's other blacks.

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If what you say is true, great. But it seems to me that the work being done is either not working or is not enough. Also, given the fact that there are programs, initiatives and efforts within the black community to curb the violence, this suggests to me that blacks are very much aware of the problem. Yet they take to the streets to riot as soon as there’s a cop shooting and destroy property of those not at fault before any investigation can begin.

There are plenty of black people and countless organizations, activists and movements dedicated to curbing violence in black communities.

The number of “Stop the Violence” marches dwarfs the demonstrations against police brutality. Unity rallies and peace picnics happen every day.

Scared Straight programs for at-risk youths, gang counseling, neighborhood watches, intervention specialists, youth counselors.

There have been movements like the #NeverAgain campaign which was led by Black youth in the aftermath of the Parkland, Florida school shooting. Those young people were protesting against gun violence and advocating for gun control.

Did you hear about the men of Alpha Phi Alpha, the nation's oldest black Greek-letter fraternity, marching down 79th Street regularly to protest shootings in Chatham?

How about the army of mothers in Englewood who gather at the scene of every shooting and patrol the streets of their neighborhood on foot?

And what about the annual peace march in Grand Crossing that draws hundreds of South Siders onto the streets at the start of the school year?

But those efforts don’t make the evening news. When I sit down to watch Dateline nearly every day of the week and I see white person after white person after white person murdering another white person, I don’t hear the phrase “white-on-white crime” brought up.

Now what you doing ? Tell me.

All I said was that it was either not working or it is not enough. I say this because the problem seems to be getting worse.

By all means, keep up with the programs, initiatives and marches, I'm sure they do some good and it's better than doing nothing. But the problem of violence in the black community is still pretty severe.

First, because blacks refuse to talk about it. Second, it is a major contributing factor to the high black crime rate. It is a known fact that children who come from two-parent homes, no matter how rich or poor they are, fare better in life as adults. Third, blacks insist on blaming the white man for their problems.

My point is illigetimacy is major problem in the white community.

Why are don't you worry about white kids without fathers ?

Quit focusing on the lesser problem of blacks being shot by cops and I will.

It's like I said before, the only reason - and I mean the ONLY reason - whites harp on black illegitimacy and black-on-black crime is because blacks are pointing fingers at whites for lesser problems. Speaking for myself, I am not inclined to give much of a shit about cop shootings while some morally posturing dipshit tells me black lives matter when black lives matter even less to some blacks than they do to me.

Blacks are their own worst enemy.

I would be just as concerned if the white crime rate were as bad as it is in the black community and if the crime rate were attributable in large part to single-parent homes.

Why don't you focus on the sicko's in your community ?

Stop pointing your finger at me for your problems and I will.

You keep putting up pics and statistics about white crime but I’m not even debating black/white crime numbers.

The difference between white and black people is that we check the bullshit in our community.

Again, irrelevant. I’m not debating black/white crime numbers or making any kind of comparisons.

When I post bullshit in the white community you just come back with "Irrelevant" White people need to handle the sicko's and bullsh*t in your community. Not just gives these freaks a pass by saying "Irrelevant" and then these freaks and racists go out into the world and we (Black people) are the ones who have to regulate your bullsh*t.

Either handle your own crime problems and stop blaming whitey or I will continue to point these things out. Simple as that.

To be honest your attention is to skewed in one direcion.....Black people. Your obsessed about black people in an unhealthy way.

Your attention is skewed in one direction.....white people. Your obsessed with blaming white people for your problems in an unhealthy way.

It's a painfully simple concept: Either acknowledge the black contribution to their own problems or don't. But if you don't, you will continue to get this kind of pushback from whites.

The discrimination against blacks, reinforced by stereotypes and prejudice, actually creates a reality for blacks so ugly that whites are scared of their own creation.

Racism has to do with the power to dominate and enforce oppression, and that power in America is in white hands.

Black people didn’t create this game.

We don’t get to make the rules. I don’t expect to change your point of view. I’m certain you’re not going to change mine. I think we both understand where each other is.coming from.

And I'm bored because this is now turning into a "Last Man Talking" contest which is common on here.

That thing that white supremacist do, just carry on typing any ol crap to try and show they're not loosing the argument and that they know something,

You know what ? You remind me of an amateur gunslinger. All you do is aim in any direction, point & shoot and just hope for the best.

But whenever you come trying to shoot that sh*t at me I always go for the heavy snark because in a full-on blast, the person with the bigger gun is more likely to leave a smoking bullet-ridden avatar on the ground.

And besides, at that point I know the convo is over, so might as well have some fun.

Go on. You can have the last word if you want.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Below is a link to a site about gun violence. Among other things, it says that:

1.) Black men make up 52% of all gun homicide victims, despite comprising less than 7% of the US population.

2.) Black Americans are 10 times more likely than white Americans to die by gun homicide, and 14 times more likely than white Americans to be injured in a gun assault.

3.) Gun violence is the second-leading cause of death among children overall and the first-leading cause of death among black children.

4.) Black children are 10 times more likely to be killed in a gun homicide than white children.

5.) Black women are twice as likely as white women to be fatally shot by an intimate partner.

Gun Violence Statistics | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

Also, my niece’s husband is black and a police officer and he says the majority of their calls involve blacks.

What needs to happen ?

1) There needs to be legislation that will penalise people for calling the police on black people for B.S on a state and federal level.

2) Every state need to be a hate crime law.

3) There needs to be a constitutional convention, that is the 13th amendment need to be ratified because that leads to the mass incarceration of black people.

4) Anyone looking to serve as an officer in a blk community should submit to a probationary period of four months. During that time, they would be on the payroll, but they would not have powers of arrest. They would have no gun. Their job would be to get to know the communities and neighborhoods where they seek to serve. Finding out what they want and need from law enforcement.

And after that the community would get to vote if they get the job.

Black ppl have inter-grated into a burning building and figuring out how to get comfortable. America was built on a cracked foundation and you can't build on a cracked foundation

But now the media is trying soften the police's image "O the police are just as disgusted at this at blacks are"

The enforcement arm of white supremacy is under great stress and they are trying to get blk ppl to settle. "Hey cmon, we'll put a few negroes in this or that spot and that'll calm you negroes down. I mean you negroes like to live vicariously don't you ?"

This is marathon. Not a sprint. What are these white people gonna be like in two months time ? When it's died down ?

That's it, just keep blaming whitey for black men killing each other and your children.

What do you mean "What thugs"? The thug cops you were talking about. How many of those "thug" cops are black?

Racist actions do not require that the person be white. Black folks are capable of internalising and then acting upon the same anti-black prejudices and stereotypes as whites.

The culture of law enforcement encourages a siege mentality among its members, and this mentality often plays out in a blatantly racist fashion, no matter the color of the person wearing the uniform.

And let's look at the word "Thug" to how white people have racialized that word

Here is how many web pages use the following phrases according to Google:

• 497,000 “black thugs”
• 87,100 “white thugs”

Or:

• 3,440 “ray rice is a thug”
• 6 “charlie sheen is a thug”

Even though Sheen has a much longer history of violence against women and his name appears on twice as many web pages.

Compare:

White mass killers:

• 0 “dylan klebold was a thug”
• 0 “the tsarnaev brothers were thugs”
• 0 “james holmes was a thug”
• 1 “tim mcveigh was a thug”
• 1 “adam lanza was a thug”

Famous White criminals:

• 1 “ted bundy was a thug”
• 4 “charles manson was a thug”
• 5 “bill the kid was a thug”
• 5 “bonnie and clyde were thugs””

Fictional White criminals:

• 6 “tony soprano was a thug”

Unarmed Blacks killed by the police or neighbourhood watch:

• 7,320 “eric garner was a thug”
• 8,650 “oscar grant was a thug”
• 26,200 “trayvon martin was a thug”
• 45,200 “michael brown was a thug”
• 24,300 "George Floyd was a thug"

You were the one who used the word (in reference to police officers), not me.

Oh yes, the police kill more whites than blacks. Whites just don't riot, loot and burn every time it happens.

Huntington Beach in Cali is overwhelmingly White. Every summer the city host the U.S. Open of Surfing. The Huntington Beach Riot did not get much attention from the mainstream media.

Even worse these young white ppl were so fragile and delicate that could not cope because an annual tournament ended. There were fights on the streets, especially among young White females, and burglary from young White males. The local news reporters and officials didn’t refer to these White rioters and looters as thugs.

So lighting a whole bus on fire and destroying people’s cars, fighting and shooting guns randomly because a baseball team won the World Series is acceptable, but rioting because of blatant income inequality, lack of opportunity and disregard for black life is not acceptable?

Only a white supremacist can rationalize something like that.

Have you seen me trying to rationalize white rioting? Whites riot and for equally stupid reasons and it pisses me off every time. It just doesn't seem to happen as often.

How, by destroying someone's business and livelihood?

Power is not taken politely.

What power does the owner of, say, a liquor store have over you?

So burn it all down as far I'm concerned. I don't give a care about insured buildings.

Most business owners do not own the buildings they operate out of. Most of them lease the offices and stores they use.

These businesses provide jobs and tax revenue for the community. All you're doing when you loot and burn is hurt yourselves and your own community.

You want cities and states to allocate more funds and resources to help the black community but you destroy the one thing that provides this: Commerce and business. Commerce and business provides the city with tax revenue. Destroy enough businesses and they will take their business, jobs and taxes elsewhere. We already see it happening in places like Seattle.

And to you who are complaining at the riots

Well the last time blk ppl complained at police brutality. We took a knee.

What could possibly have been more politically correct, more friendly to white ppls tender sensitivities than taken a knee ? There were no riots. No uprisings.

Some people would have complained no matter what Kaepernick did. But that's just the nature of the beast.

A lot of people didn't care for his manner of protest but no one suggested he didn't have the right to do it. It was his free speech right to do so and it broke no laws. Looting and burning DOES break the law, however.

But did you see anyone say "O since you negroes asked so politely. We're gonna have legislation. Yes !! Legislation today !! We are going to have the FBI set up a taskforce to round up all the racists who kill blk ppl. Were gonna have laws to put ppl who call the police on blk ppl just 4 being blk in jail"

Did they do that ? Happen. Not. Gonna.

Power isn't given. It's taken. Power isn't taken politely. I'm happy that black ppl are bullying white supremacy. I'm happy that blk ppl are happy with sharp elbows.

And as the world has seen. You push and they bk down. They get the message.

No unarmed blk people in Minneapolis have been killed by the Police since George Floyd

Gee. I wonder why ?

What "power" does a black (or white) small business owner have over you?

Wrong. You're getting criticism for many reasons and "fighting for everyone’s rights" is not one of them. Other whites and even other blacks (my niece's husband being one of them) have their own reasons for criticizing but below is a short list of things that bother me and piss me off the most about this so called "fight for rights".

OK. Go on give me a good laugh.

I already gave you the list dumbass.

1.) Any time a black man is shot by police, no one waits to get more information or to get the details or the full story before they start rioting, looting and burning and attacking police stations.

That would be a sensible thing to do if the police wasn't rotten to the core with white supremacists. Waiting to get more information is basically waiting on them to spins this into a lie

Some of these cop shootings are justified. That's why people should wait for an investigation.

This is about the anti black war. It's about black targeting and whites been given a pass like this

It's about under oath, GBI Special Agent Richard Dial said Travis McMichael, one of the men who murdered #AhmaudArbery, stood over his body and called him a "fucking n*gger". Federal hate crime charges should be filed right now.

But these are the white people black people should trust ? If this evidence wasn’t available? They would still be denying the racial element.

It's about white woman calling the police to get black ppl killed like Amy Cooper.

She deserves an Oscar

What Amy Cooper did was stupid and unnecessary. But she was charged for this incident.
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2.) Businesses and personal property of people who are innocent of the shooting is destroyed.

Meanwhile it's fine for whites to riot over Final Four games, or Pumpkin Festival because of $10 veggie burritos at Woodstock ’99 and because there weren’t enough Porta-Potties after the Limp Bizkit set and whites did it when you couldn’t get enough beer at the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake, and because Penn State fired Joe Paterno.

No, it's NOT fine. White people rioting and destroying property does not make it okay for blacks to do so.

3.) Black-owned businesses are destroyed along with white-owned businesses.

Well the fault lies with white people.

So to protest white racism you destroy a black man or black woman's business? You do realize some of these businesses are black-owned, right? Do black business owners have power over you like white business owners supposedly do?

If they treated the people that paralysed Jacob Blake and the people who killed George Floyd just like they treated Mohamed Noor then cities around the US wouldn't be out of control, businesses would still be standing, and mostly operational right now.

That's how you know that these death are racial killings and these white supremacists cops are being protected by fellow anti-Black racists in the justice system.

All they had to do is arrest the other cops and charge all of them with first degree murder. It’s that simple but white supremacy hates taking L’s so they rather let the country burn than charge those cops.

Further proof that you can’t put a price tag on white supremacy. They will destroy the world before they give it up. For them there is no purpose to life without white supremacy and privilege.

All three officers in the Floyd case were charged. You said you wanted justice and so you got justice. But you rioted anyway.

4.) Whites who criticize the destruction are labelled as racists.

The issue is not about being white and therefore “unable” to criticize black people.

Jesus, how anyone could believe that in a culture where white critique of black people is a daily, hourly, minute-by-minute pastime is beyond me.

Rather the issue is why are you more angry at blk people calling out racism than you are at white ppl practicing it ?

I'm angry because most of the time what is deemed racism is not.

5.) Whites are called racists for the stupidest reasons imaginable.

Wrong. Black people are actually reluctant to allege racism, be it on the job, or in schools, or anywhere else.

Most black folks stuff their experiences with racism and only make an allegation as a last straw.

Bull-fucking-shit. Everybody, blacks AND whites, have gone race crazy and are seeing racism everywhere, even where it is not. My own experiences have proven this to me.

White denial trumps claims of racism. Plus black people are generally reliant on white people for jobs and housing and that's one of the many ways racism protects itself by creating a dependency for the people it sh*ts on.

Wrong. TRUTH trumps false claims of racism.

6.) Blacks who disagree with the manner and spirit of the protests are labelled as sellouts.

OK. So what is your solution? What is your solution to stopping systematic racism in the police force ?

Write them a nice letter. Bake them a cake ? Give me a good laugh.

The real question here is: What is your solution to the vilification of blacks who form their own opinions for their own reasons and disagree with rioting and looting?

No one's pointing a finger here but you. Do you understand that I'm telling you all this about black crime and dead black children because YOU are the one telling me and other whites that black lives matter but you do absolutely nothing about the one thing ending the most black lives: Other blacks.

There is not an mass killing of black children that is not happening.

Again, that's "en masse", not "on masse" or "an masse" or "in masse' or even "in my ass". It's French and literally translates as "in mass", meaning: as one; all at once; as a whole.

No, black children are not being killed en masse and I never said they were. That was your term, not mine. However, according to the website I linked (and you laughed at), black children are disproportionately killed by gunfire compared to white children. At ten times the rate of white children to be exact.

This is not a number I pulled out of my own ass, these are real numbers that pretty much any website citing firearm death statistics will tell you.

And once again. You are judging black people by the way white people treat white kids

This is about shooting deaths, not child pornography. Try to stay focused.

Do you see what I'm getting at? You go apeshit over two or three black men killed by police but say nothing about five children being killed by black men in a two day period.

You keep on saying

"dead black children"
"dead black children"
"dead black children"
"dead black children"
"dead black children"
"dead black children"
"dead black children"
"dead black children"
"dead black children"
"dead black children"

I've told you this is the Adolf Hitler tactic.

Thinking if you say it often enough it will stick.

There's no a mass killing of black children by black people in the America

Don't take my word for it. Google "black children killed in shootings statistics" or some combination thereof and see what you get. In fact, I'm willing to bet that most other blacks on this forum are very much aware of the problem even if you are not. Ask them.

While you're screaming at whites and police that black lives matter, black men who don't think black lives matter are killing your fucking children. I mean, Jesus Christ man.

I'm not screaming. That's just your white supremacist mindset into thinking about black people as angry and aggressive.

Trust me I'm

Who said anything about black people as "angry and aggressive"?

There has to be humility on the part of white people. They have a lot to answer for.

I don't have anything to answer for and I will never answer for anything I'm not guilty of. You'll never see me grovelling at the feet of some rapper to clean his goddamn shoes. I am quite secure and confident in my moral character that I will always stand with my head up and I will never bow to anyone's fatuous moral posturing and breast-beating telling me I'm racist because of my white skin. Which is racist in and of itself to begin with. As you would say: Happen. Not. Gonna.

Racism won’t go away as long as they are too afraid to just sit down, be honest, and look at why it’s still a problem and actually help find a solution.

No I don’t mean find a solution as in tell black people what to think or think that being nice to a black waitress gets you a medal. I mean genuinely sitting down, looking at themselves and realizing that there’s a whole world out there beyond themselves and their culture and they don’t have the right to pretend the entire universe was reserved for only them.

Humility.

As long as you and other whites just view the situation as a case of angry black people instead of viewing things from a perspective that does not favour the privilege you (deep in side) are too scared to lose, you won’t have that “Kumbaya” you keep asking for.

None of this applies to me. Maybe some whites, but not me. As for a solution, I will continue to interact with black people as I've always done with anyone: with civility and respect. I will continue to make black friends as I've always done and I will continue to love and care for the blacks in my family.

And the parents of black children killed in gang shootouts, what do they think of your efforts to put racism front and center?

There's not mass killings of black children by black people in America.

Didn't say there was.

I will stop pointing a finger when you stop with the frivolous and false accusations of racism and stop blaming white cops ftor killing off black men when your own people are killing off black men even faster than cops are and killing off your children.

There's not mass killings of black children by black people in America.

Didn't say there was.

I was using your own analogy but to convey something different. What I should have said is that, hypothetically speaking, it's like lung cancer is the bigger killer but victims of lung cancer are crusading against breast cancer. That's what the black community does: rage against breast cancer (white cops) for killing blacks while lung cancer (black men) is ravaging the community even worse.

The difference is Breast cancer sufferers (Cops) are killing lung cancer sufferers (Black men).

Sometimes justifiably. Some cop shootings are not justified and in most of those cases, the cop is prosecuted. However, not all cop shootings of black men are unjustified. A lot of blacks like you refuse to see or acknowledge this.

There is no such thing as black on black crime. There is just crime.

Then why do you keep posting these stories of white murderers, child molesters and drug addicts and telling me white crime is worse?

You're contradicting yourself.

Black people are not killing other black people because of the colour of their skin. Criminals will hurt those around them regardless of their race.

You dumbass. No one's saying blacks are killing other blacks because of the color of their skin. They're killing each other in gang wars.

Maybe the question should be why are such a large percentage of black people poor?

Then my question is: Why are you asking me? Ask poor blacks what life choices they made to put themselves or keep themselves mired in poverty.

Why is the rate of violence actually higher among poor, urban whites? Why don’t we ever discuss the economic impact of redlining and segregation on rates of violence?

Are you willing to detour into a brief explanation of why schools with large percentages of blacks are underfunded even though they have the same tax base and incomes?

Do you have time to talk about the wage gap? Unemployment disparities?

All of these factors contribute to crime rates. So if you want to have a conversation about black-on-black crime, you should be careful, because, like most conversations about race, it will end up back in the same place:

White supremacy.

Do you have time to talk about what blacks can do to help themselves?

The white man will never solve your problems for you. I can guarantee you that much.

Do you think Bin laden gave two shits whether his victims were black or white? The attack killed more whites because of the targets and the targets were not determined by the predominant skin color of the potential victims. He chose the targets he did because he knew that the destruction of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon would have the most psychological effect on Americans.

And imagine the head of Homeland Security walked up to the microphone to hold a press conference about the 9-11 terrorist attack, and when reporters start asking him about stopping terrorism and catching Bin Laden, he begins talking about texting and driving.

Sounds stupid, right?

But distracted driving kills more Americans each year than terrorism (and black-on-black crime), according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

So, to you we should be discussing this first.

There WAS no Homeland Security when 9/11 happened. The Department of Homeland Security was formed because of 9/11.

This may seem like a minor distinction and beside the point but I bring it up because it illustrates your lack of knowledge and awareness of certain things and in turn, your opinions and conclusions are often based on falsehoods, assumptions and conjecture.

Irrelevant to my point.

Not irrelevant at. Clean your own house up first.

You clean yours and I'll clean mine. Deal?

Because whites don't blame cops or blacks or anyone but the killers for murdering them. It wasn't whites that started this misguided and misinformed crusade against cops for killing fewer of their people than fellow whites.

Let me tell you something.

If the police started killing unarmed white kids and teens at the same rate they do blks ?

You wouldn't just see riots. You'd see ambush attacks on police. You'd see pipe bombs, booby traps. White society would go to war against the cops. Just look at the Cliven Bundys of this world.

And I respect that.

That's one thing I would give white society credit for.

You'd rather DIE than be oppressed or subjugated.

And I gotta respect that.

Irrelevant. The point is, the black community has a higher crime RATE than the white community. At the end of the year you'll see that whites committed the most crimes in raw numbers. But that's only because whites outnumber blacks about 3 to 1. As shown in the statistics I cited, blacks are more likely to die by homicide than whites and usually it's other blacks.

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If what you say is true, great. But it seems to me that the work being done is either not working or is not enough. Also, given the fact that there are programs, initiatives and efforts within the black community to curb the violence, this suggests to me that blacks are very much aware of the problem. Yet they take to the streets to riot as soon as there’s a cop shooting and destroy property of those not at fault before any investigation can begin.

There are plenty of black people and countless organizations, activists and movements dedicated to curbing violence in black communities.

The number of “Stop the Violence” marches dwarfs the demonstrations against police brutality. Unity rallies and peace picnics happen every day.

Scared Straight programs for at-risk youths, gang counseling, neighborhood watches, intervention specialists, youth counselors.

There have been movements like the #NeverAgain campaign which was led by Black youth in the aftermath of the Parkland, Florida school shooting. Those young people were protesting against gun violence and advocating for gun control.

Did you hear about the men of Alpha Phi Alpha, the nation's oldest black Greek-letter fraternity, marching down 79th Street regularly to protest shootings in Chatham?

How about the army of mothers in Englewood who gather at the scene of every shooting and patrol the streets of their neighborhood on foot?

And what about the annual peace march in Grand Crossing that draws hundreds of South Siders onto the streets at the start of the school year?

But those efforts don’t make the evening news. When I sit down to watch Dateline nearly every day of the week and I see white person after white person after white person murdering another white person, I don’t hear the phrase “white-on-white crime” brought up.

Now what you doing ? Tell me.

All I said was that it was either not working or it is not enough. I say this because the problem seems to be getting worse.

By all means, keep up with the programs, initiatives and marches, I'm sure they do some good and it's better than doing nothing. But the problem of violence in the black community is still pretty severe.

First, because blacks refuse to talk about it. Second, it is a major contributing factor to the high black crime rate. It is a known fact that children who come from two-parent homes, no matter how rich or poor they are, fare better in life as adults. Third, blacks insist on blaming the white man for their problems.

My point is illigetimacy is major problem in the white community.

Why are don't you worry about white kids without fathers ?

Quit focusing on the lesser problem of blacks being shot by cops and I will.

It's like I said before, the only reason - and I mean the ONLY reason - whites harp on black illegitimacy and black-on-black crime is because blacks are pointing fingers at whites for lesser problems. Speaking for myself, I am not inclined to give much of a shit about cop shootings while some morally posturing dipshit tells me black lives matter when black lives matter even less to some blacks than they do to me.

Blacks are their own worst enemy.

I would be just as concerned if the white crime rate were as bad as it is in the black community and if the crime rate were attributable in large part to single-parent homes.

Why don't you focus on the sicko's in your community ?

Stop pointing your finger at me for your problems and I will.

You keep putting up pics and statistics about white crime but I’m not even debating black/white crime numbers.

The difference between white and black people is that we check the bullshit in our community.

Again, irrelevant. I’m not debating black/white crime numbers or making any kind of comparisons.

When I post bullshit in the white community you just come back with "Irrelevant" White people need to handle the sicko's and bullsh*t in your community. Not just gives these freaks a pass by saying "Irrelevant" and then these freaks and racists go out into the world and we (Black people) are the ones who have to regulate your bullsh*t.

Either handle your own crime problems and stop blaming whitey or I will continue to point these things out. Simple as that.

To be honest your attention is to skewed in one direcion.....Black people. Your obsessed about black people in an unhealthy way.

Your attention is skewed in one direction.....white people. Your obsessed with blaming white people for your problems in an unhealthy way.

It's a painfully simple concept: Either acknowledge the black contribution to their own problems or don't. But if you don't, you will continue to get this kind of pushback from whites.

The discrimination against blacks, reinforced by stereotypes and prejudice, actually creates a reality for blacks so ugly that whites are scared of their own creation.

Racism has to do with the power to dominate and enforce oppression, and that power in America is in white hands.

Black people didn’t create this game.

We don’t get to make the rules. I don’t expect to change your point of view. I’m certain you’re not going to change mine. I think we both understand where each other is.coming from.

None of this has anything to do with what we were discussing.

And I'm bored because this is now turning into a "Last Man Talking" contest which is common on here.

That thing that white supremacist do,

And there you have it: the race card.

I'm a white man who happens to disagree with you on a topic so that means I must be a white supremacist. It's a cheap, tired old argument and is a favorite fallback for people who either don't understand the point their opponent is making or they know it's valid but don't want to acknowledge it.

just carry on typing any ol crap to try and show they're not loosing the argument and that they know something,

I wasn't losing the argument because you were arguing against something I was not saying. I told you multiple times that I was not comparing white vs. black crime rates and I acknowledged that whites commit the most crimes.

You know what ? You remind me of an amateur gunslinger. All you do is aim in any direction, point & shoot and just hope for the best.

But whenever you come trying to shoot that sh*t at me I always go for the heavy snark because in a full-on blast, the person with the bigger gun is more likely to leave a smoking bullet-ridden avatar on the ground.

And besides, at that point I know the convo is over, so might as well have some fun.

Go on. You can have the last word if you want.

If by "I always go for the heavy snark" you mean you always misunderstand the point of the conversation, well, nobody does it snarkier than thou.

 

[Marion Morrison]

OP can't even get a name right, what is there to make one think he can get anything else right?
I don't see a damn thing.