Canada's great escape: Cost-of-living crisis drives record exodus in 2025

[Captain Caveman]

I'm a policy-by-policy voter.

Aka, yes.

If you believe a party implements it's policies they claim at campaigning time, you're a very credulous chap.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Aka, yes.

If you believe a party implements it's policies they claim at campaigning time, you're a very credulous chap.

AKA "yes", what?

Your imagination and cerebral activity surpasses your intentions. Perhaps they will intersect and you will find some truth at the end of your fingertips when you punch on your keyboard.

 

[Captain Caveman]

AKA "yes", what?

Your imagination and cerebral activity surpasses your intentions. Perhaps they will intersect and you will find some truth at the end of your fingertips when you punch on your keyboard.

good grief.

Are you trying to tell me that after a post or two, you're lost with the conversation? Blimey.

 

[shockedcanadian]

good grief.

Are you trying to tell me that after a post or two, you're lost with the conversation? Blimey.

You have dark intentions with your assertions.

Please speak plainly before you falsely attribute an ideology to me. I determine which policies I support not exclusively which candidate.

If you are accustomed to wearing pom-poms and expect the same of others, that is your confusion to work out. I am neither a follower nor a slave to abstract, self-confining party allegiance.

 

[Captain Caveman]

You have dark intentions with your assertions.

Please speak plainly before you falsely attribute an ideology to me. I determine which policies I support not exclusively which candidate.

If you are accustomed to wearing pom-poms and expect the same of others, that is your confusion to work out. I am neither a follower nor a slave to abstract, self-confining party allegiance.

OK, let's go simple. Do the political compass test -

https://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/where-do-you-land-on-the-political-compass.599698/

 

[shockedcanadian]

OK, let's go simple. Do the political compass test -

https://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/where-do-you-land-on-the-political-compass.599698/

I shalt submit myself to some designed political indicator construct. I repeat, I choose what I decide based on a policy not on the individual.

If an individual supports specific policies and "the other side" of the competition support contrarian views which oppose such core principles then on balance I would inherently prefer one candidate. However, regardless of who wins ANY election be it president, prime minister, mayor or dog catcher, I will judge them on a policy by policy basis.

 

[Captain Caveman]

I shalt submit myself to some designed political indicator construct. I repeat, I choose what I decide based on a policy not on the individual.

If an individual supports specific policies and "the other side" of the competition support contrarian views which oppose such core principles than on balance I would inherently prefer one candidate. However, regardless of who wins ANY election be it president, prime minister, mayor of dog catcher, I will judge them on a policy by policy basis.

Don't worry, I'm aware some can't give a direct answer to questions.

Folk tend to lean Left or Right, or somewhere in between. You say policies, are you attracted to those that are more Left or Right.

Such tests highlight your political orientation. I"ve taken the test a few times and I'm always nearly dead centre, but I don't vote for a Left Wing party because they're shitter than a Right Wing party.

So you can quietly do the the test if you wish and keep the result to yourself because it looks like you enjoy word games to avoid giving a simple answer to a simple question.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

People are leaving Canada in droves. America is absorbing our talented and our wealthy. The only ones staying are the Creepy Ones, politicians and government employees.

Ontario is responsible for 47% of all people leaving? Open up your doors America, you have the ability to grab educated, top talent. Listen to their stories just as the West Germans would listen to the East German after they escaped...

Canada's great escape: Cost-of-living crisis drives record exodus in 2025

Statistics Canada reports that 54,530 Canadian citizens and permanent residents left the country in the first half of 2025, the highest January-to-June total on record.

westgatesentinel.com

Statistics Canada reports that 54,530 Canadian citizens and permanent residents left the country in the first half of 2025, the highest January-to-June total on record.

The figure exceeds the previous high set in 2017 and puts 2025 on pace to surpass 2024’s full-year total of 106,134 to 118,000, itself the highest annual emigration since 1967.

Many cite high housing and living costs, with 79% pointing to housing affordability and 65% to inadequate income as key factors. Others mention difficulty finding suitable employment, especially immigrants who arrived with high expectations and soon discovered job mismatches or job scarcity. Issues such as harsh winter climate, social isolation, and challenges integrating into Canadian culture also play a role, particularly for some newcomers.

Ontario accounted for 25,604 departures, or 47 percent of the national total, followed by British Columbia with 12,017 and Alberta with 6,246. Quebec and Newfoundland and Labrador recorded the lowest outflows.

The data tracks only citizens and permanent residents leaving permanently; it excludes non-permanent residents, whose exits rose 54 percent in the first quarter to 209,400 amid federal visa caps.

Canada’s population grew 0.05 percent in the first quarter to 41.55 million, the slowest pace since 1946 outside the pandemic, as immigration targets fell to 395,000 for 2025 from a planned 500,000.

Do that for the whole year and you might be able to fill up one major college football stadium! Canada is tiny compared to this country.

You all need to go back to the mother country, the UK.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

And that'll be a wake up call to go back.

Why? They can finally get the medical care they need. They won't be paying Canada's exorbitant taxes.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Why? They can finally get the medical care they need. They won't be paying Canada's exorbitant taxes.

You're a prime candidate for this video -

 

[Concerned American]

Don't worry, I'm aware some can't give a direct answer to questions.

Folk tend to lean Left or Right, or somewhere in between. You say policies, are you attracted to those that are more Left or Right.

Such tests highlight your political orientation. I"ve taken the test a few times and I'm always nearly dead centre, but I don't vote for a Left Wing party because they're shitter than a Right Wing party.

So you can quietly do the the test if you wish and keep the result to yourself because it looks like you enjoy word games to avoid giving a simple answer to a simple question.

Thanks for the compass. I was surprised to find that I fell slightly right and slightly libertarian side of center. I would have thought I would have fallen more decidedly right and definitely on the authoritarian side. Interesting way to waste a few minutes. LOL

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You're a prime candidate for this video -

Whose taxes are higher?

 

[Captain Caveman]

Whose taxes are higher?

Whose costs are higher?

We pay more tax because we receive such things as healthcare and public transport back. You pay less tax but more in costs, and the disparity on your side of the pond means you're worse off. That's why you suffer high healthcare bankruptcies. It's a big picture and you're trying to play dumb on mentioning tiny piece of that picture. Your brain capacity on the subject is limited, extremely limited. Probably because of all the lies and myths you were taught.

 

[Captain Caveman]

They say, "The grass is greener on the other side". My advice to Canadians is, definitely stay in Canada because the grass colour in the US is a browny shit.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Whose costs are higher?

We pay more tax because we receive such things as healthcare and public transport back. You pay less tax but more in costs, and the disparity on your side of the pond means you're worse off. That's why you suffer high healthcare bankruptcies. It's a big picture and you're trying to play dumb on mentioning tiny piece of that picture. Your brain capacity on the subject is limited, extremely limited. Probably because of all the lies and myths you were taught.

We dont need public transport back because our country has states bigger than your entire country. Healthcare in an individuals responsibility here and always will be.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Healthcare in an individuals responsibility here and always will be.

It's an individual responsibility wherever you live. The difference in the UK is, if I don't want to use private healthcare, I can choose to use the NHS.

If I'm involved in a car accident, I would be immediately seen by doctors and surgeons. And even if I stayed in hospital for 6 months, the bill is £0.00. You do the same in the US, consider yourself bankrupt.

On average per person per month, £500 of tax goes towards the NHS. In the US, on average per person per month, you guys pay double that, then still pay a fortune to use healthcare.

Inadvertently, you compared the US and UK together on taxation, then defended the US on public transport. So as you've just pointed out, the two countries are different and that's why the taxation is too. We pay more tax but we get more benefits from that back.

But if the US had a referendum on healthcare, you would need your head examined if you voted to keep your expensive system and not implement an NHS system. And you still can go private despite having the NHS, or a mix of both. I've paid for an MRI scan to jump the 3 months waiting list, then had the NHS treatment. That was £500 back in 2004.

 

[Concerned American]

It's an individual responsibility wherever you live. The difference in the UK is, if I don't want to use private healthcare, I can choose to use the NHS.

If I'm involved in a car accident, I would be immediately seen by doctors and surgeons. And even if I stayed in hospital for 6 months, the bill is £0.00. You do the same in the US, consider yourself bankrupt.

On average per person per month, £500 of tax goes towards the NHS. In the US, on average per person per month, you guys pay double that, then still pay a fortune to use healthcare.

Inadvertently, you compared the US and UK together on taxation, then defended the US on public transport. So as you've just pointed out, the two countries are different and that's why the taxation is too. We pay more tax but we get more benefits from that back.

But if the US had a referendum on healthcare, you would need your head examined if you voted to keep your expensive system and not implement an NHS system. And you still can go private despite having the NHS, or a mix of both. I've paid for an MRI scan to jump the 3 months waiting list, then had the NHS treatment. That was £500 back in 2004.

I have no doubt you know about your situation and the NHS. However you're mistaken about our situation. Most every working person has health insurance and the ones that don't have medicaid--which is basically your NHS. Anyone that is brought into the emergency room as in your car accident analogy will be seen--they aren't turned away. In the case of a car wreck--auto insurance is required. You stated that you pay 500 GBP about $650 a month for NHS--I've never in my entire career paid more than $130/mo co pay for my insurance. I had a major surgery 30 years ago ($100K), my portion was $5K. In 50 year career, that is all I've ever had to pay. All in all, I believe we get the better deal.

 

[Captain Caveman]

You stated that you pay 500 GBP about $650 a month for NHS--I've never in my entire career paid more than $130/mo co pay for my insurance. I had a major surgery 30 years ago ($100K), my portion was $5K. In 50 year career, that is all I've ever had to pay. All in all, I believe we get the better deal.

On AVERAGE per person -

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It's an individual responsibility wherever you live. The difference in the UK is, if I don't want to use private healthcare, I can choose to use the NHS.

If I'm involved in a car accident, I would be immediately seen by doctors and surgeons. And even if I stayed in hospital for 6 months, the bill is £0.00. You do the same in the US, consider yourself bankrupt.

On average per person per month, £500 of tax goes towards the NHS. In the US, on average per person per month, you guys pay double that, then still pay a fortune to use healthcare.

Inadvertently, you compared the US and UK together on taxation, then defended the US on public transport. So as you've just pointed out, the two countries are different and that's why the taxation is too. We pay more tax but we get more benefits from that back.

But if the US had a referendum on healthcare, you would need your head examined if you voted to keep your expensive system and not implement an NHS system. And you still can go private despite having the NHS, or a mix of both. I've paid for an MRI scan to jump the 3 months waiting list, then had the NHS treatment. That was £500 back in 2004.

Stayed in the hospital 3 months. After my insurance, I paid $0. I guess I am not the only one misinformed.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Stayed in the hospital 3 months. After my insurance, I paid $0. I guess I am not the only one misinformed.

Then why is your country the highest for healthcare bankruptcies.

There are two words Yanks can't grasp, "On Average'. So put yourself in the same as everyone else, on average you pay more for your healthcare. On average, you pay X amount even after having insurance. On average, you have more bankruptcies due to healthcare costs. So pay nothing, some pay a bloody fortune.


So on average ........

Jesus Christ.