Canada Retaliates

[Jroc]

I've already corrected myself about the Sidewinders.

However, see post 46 for a long list of defense items we buy from Canada.

Who cares anything made from Canada can be made here still have a large trade deficit with Canada , can it also has no military to speak of we take care of that just singing the praises of Canada how about Canada to do their part for their defense

 

[Mac-7]

Our entire auto industry is dependent on free trade between the US and Mexico and Canada. Remember Trump rebranding NAFTA as USMCA? Now he's shooting himself in the face.

I posted earlier in this topic how auto parts move back and forth between our three nations. There really is no such thing as a car "Made in the USA" any more.

This is not something you can just shut off like a tap.

There are many other such examples.

The funny thing is, Trump brags how he's going to do this and do that. He's full of shit. He never passed an infrastructure bill. Biden did. Trump never passed any legislation to increase manufacturing jobs. Biden did.

In fact, the construction of manufacturing plants began exploding in Biden's last year and will result in many thousands of new manufacturing jobs for which Trump will take credit and claim his far left tariff war is responsible.

Here's proof Trump and Biden's socialist warfare on free trade does not work:

I might surprise you by agreeing with you that it would be better not to fight with canada at this time

But dont underestimate trump either

 

[Zincwarrior]

Canada has a $70 billion trade surplus with the US

They have more to lose than we do

Their budget surplus was far less before the last t5rade war Trump had with them. What do you reckon it will be in 2026?

 

[g5000]

I might surprise you by agreeing with you that it would be better not to fight with canada at this time

But dont underestimate trump either

Trump is the same Trump we had the first time around. And he got his ass kicked in the trade war.

Trump's playbook:

1. Trump declares some emergency.
2. Trump proposes a dangerous “solution” to said emergency.
3. Everyone freaks out.
4. At the last minute Trump announces that his powerful negotiating skills have solved the emergency and won a great victory for America without needing to impose the dangerous solution.
5. The status quo remains stable.
6. Repeat.

 

[Dragonlady]

You know who else enacted protectionist tariffs?

Obama. The archenemy of Trump cultists.

Obama was a protectionist.

Wakey wakey, rubes!

Anyone remember the outcome of Obama's tariffs on tires?

Fun times. Fun times.

Doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result.

First off, there is no correlation between the policies of the Biden and Trump Administrations that lead to the current balance of trade. Your current trade deficits were caused by two factors:

1. Trump's terrible trade deals. Virtually every deal written by the Trump Administration ended up INCREASING your trade deficits with that country; and
2. Your trading partners have been busily making deals among themselves ever since the first Trump Administration, out of fear he would return. This is HUGE.

Foreign investment dried up completely under Trump. Manufacturing continued to be off-shored because of Trump's trade wars. Business needs certainty and stability to expand, and Trump offered neither.

American companies did start expanding under Biden, but your failure to prosecute and jail Trump, immediately after January 6th, and the ongoing political instability in the USA, has discouraged foreign investment. Companies are now moving into Canada because of our lower costs for education, healthcare, lower crime rates, better infrastructure, and political stability.

Obama used directed tariffs on specific products, where unfair trade practices abound, and there was an American alternative available, not a blanket tariff on all imports from a trading partner. Items like clothing, toys, small appliances, cannot profitably be made in first world countries.

Trump's last round of tariffs cost you a net loss of 200,000 manufacturing jobs. You did get 40,000 new jobs in the steel industry. But the losses crushed the gains.

You also got 3 years of record farm bankruptcies - mostly on smaller, family owned farms. Many of them sold to foreign owned corporate interests with no connections to the land or good stewardship of the land.

 

[Dragonlady]

Their budget surplus was far less before the last t5rade war Trump had with them. What do you reckon it will be in 2026?

I've long said I'd love to have Trump negotiate the next trade deal with Canada. Our trade surplus was $11 billion in 2016.

I would also point out to you that our surplus is increasing not because we're selling you more, but because we're buying LESS and LESS from our untrustworthy partner to the south.

International Trade

www.census.gov

That's going to accelerate as we stop buying American made wine and liquor. And that's just the start.

 

[Dragonlady]

Tariffs imposed by china will raise prices for canadians

Or they may decide not to buy

In our case we may choose not to buy from canada

Tariffs are not being imposed on Canada, by China. Our prices on Chinese goods are not going up. We also have a trade deal with the Chinese.

What are YOU personally buying from Canada? Our exports are mostly lumber, oil, gas, and electricity.

Good luck with that boycott.

 

[Dragonlady]

I might surprise you by agreeing with you that it would be better not to fight with canada at this time

But dont underestimate trump either

It's impossible to underestimate Trump. The worst businessman in the history of the world.

No matter how stupid the move, Trump will find something even dumber to do.

His whole "I'm taking Gaza" has ended the hostage releases. What a tool!!

 

[Mac-7]

Their budget surplus was far less before the last t5rade war Trump had with them. What do you reckon it will be in 2026?

I dont know

Time will tell

 

[Mac-7]

Trump is the same Trump we had the first time around. And he got his ass kicked in the trade war.

Trump's playbook:

1. Trump declares some emergency.
2. Trump proposes a dangerous “solution” to said emergency.
3. Everyone freaks out.
4. At the last minute Trump announces that his powerful negotiating skills have solved the emergency and won a great victory for America without needing to impose the dangerous solution.
5. The status quo remains stable.
6. Repeat.

Wrong

Trump made our trade position stronger

 

[g5000]

Wrong

Trump made our trade position stronger

Once again:

 

[Dragonlady]

Wrong

Trump made our trade position stronger

No he did not. Your trade numbers, and manufacturing numbers say otherwise.

International Trade

www.census.gov

Trade deficit in 2017 - the year before Trump's trade war $792 billion
Trade deficit in 2018 - first year or Trump's trade war $870 billion
Trade deficit in 2019 - After most new deals signed Trump's $845 billion -

Imports declined $35 billion, but exports declined by $20 billion because American manufacturing lost 200,000 permanent jobs, decreasing your production. See this article from 2019.

https://www.reuters.com/article/economy/us-manufacturing-dives-to-10-year-low-as-trade-tensions-weigh-idUSKBN1WG4IT/

 

[Mac-7]

Once again:

Nothing got better after biden became president

 

[Jroc]

First off, there is no correlation between the policies of the Biden and Trump Administrations that lead to the current balance of trade. Your current trade deficits were caused by two factors:

1. Trump's terrible trade deals. Virtually every deal written by the Trump Administration ended up INCREASING your trade deficits with that country; and
2. Your trading partners have been busily making deals among themselves ever since the first Trump Administration, out of fear he would return. This is HUGE.

Foreign investment dried up completely under Trump. Manufacturing continued to be off-shored because of Trump's trade wars. Business needs certainty and stability to expand, and Trump offered neither.

American companies did start expanding under Biden, but your failure to prosecute and jail Trump, immediately after January 6th, and the ongoing political instability in the USA, has discouraged foreign investment. Companies are now moving into Canada because of our lower costs for education, healthcare, lower crime rates, better infrastructure, and political stability.

Obama used directed tariffs on specific products, where unfair trade practices abound, and there was an American alternative available, not a blanket tariff on all imports from a trading partner. Items like clothing, toys, small appliances, cannot profitably be made in first world countries.

Trump's last round of tariffs cost you a net loss of 200,000 manufacturing jobs. You did get 40,000 new jobs in the steel industry. But the losses crushed the gains.

You also got 3 years of record farm bankruptcies - mostly on smaller, family owned farms. Many of them sold to foreign owned corporate interests with no connections to the land or good stewardship of the land.

That's some of joke right?..... And link your source that's the rule around here, you link your source you don't just cut and paste

 

[Jroc]

No he did not. Your trade numbers, and manufacturing numbers say otherwise.

International Trade

www.census.gov

Trade deficit in 2017 - the year before Trump's trade war $792 billion
Trade deficit in 2018 - first year or Trump's trade war $870 billion
Trade deficit in 2019 - After most new deals signed Trump's $845 billion -

Imports declined $35 billion, but exports declined by $20 billion because American manufacturing lost 200,000 permanent jobs, decreasing your production. See this article from 2019.

https://www.reuters.com/article/economy/us-manufacturing-dives-to-10-year-low-as-trade-tensions-weigh-idUSKBN1WG4IT/

Any numbers you have there are skewed because of the shutdowns of covid.....other than that your premise is a. Joke .... Most of those deals didn't even take full effect before the Covid lockdowns

 

[PredFan]

‘Costs And Chaos!’ Ford CEO Warns Trump Tariffs Will ‘Blow A Hole’ In Auto Industry​

‘Costs And Chaos!’ Ford CEO Warns Trump Tariffs Will ‘Blow A Hole’ In Auto Industry

Ford CEO Farley warned that Trump’s tariff threats will “blow a hole” in the auto industry and manufacturers faced a spike in "costs” and “chaos."

www.mediaite.com

The other countries won't last long enough for us to feel the effects.

 

[Zincwarrior]

The other countries won't last long enough for us to feel the effects.

lAST LONG ENOUGH FOR WHAT??? What tariffs do you think Canada has? We have a free trade agreement with them.

 

[lennypartiv]

Canada Retaliates​

Then we should retaliate back.

 

[AsherN]

I've long said I'd love to have Trump negotiate the next trade deal with Canada. Our trade surplus was $11 billion in 2016.

The deal that Trump says is terrible for the US, with Canada and Mexico, Trump negotiated that.

 

[PredFan]

lAST LONG ENOUGH FOR WHAT??? What tariffs do you think Canada has? We have a free trade agreement with them.

Won't last long enough for us to feel the effects of a trade war. I thought that was pretty clear.