Can You Show the Universe and Earth Was Created by the Big Bang by Showing the Energy?

[edthecynic]

the electron would lose energy and couldn't maintain its orbit and would be drawn into the nucleus, splitting it, and no matter could exist.

Ummm......an electron can't split a nucleus. When an electron is absorbed by a proton in the nucleus (electron capture), the proton becomes a neutron.

That is something different. If the entropy of an atom was not zero, ALL the electrons would be captured by the nucleus, not just one in the K shell..

 

[edthecynic]

Yet were any one of a number of the physical properties of our universe otherwise - some of them basic, others seemingly trivial, almost accidental - that life, which seems now to be so prevalent, would become impossible

NOT impossible, but DIFFERENT!!!!!

Wrong.

Prove it wrong, mr know-it-all!
What rule says life has to be the same as we know it?????

 

[edthecynic]

Well... I'm getting ready to school you on something else. You are the gift that keeps on giving.

And you are the fool who thinks he knows everything when you know nothing.

 

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Yet were any one of a number of the physical properties of our universe otherwise - some of them basic, others seemingly trivial, almost accidental - that life, which seems now to be so prevalent, would become impossible

NOT impossible, but DIFFERENT!!!!!

Wrong.

Prove it wrong, mr know-it-all!
What rule says life has to be the same as we know it?????

If the universe were created with exactly the same amount of matter and anti-matter particles, there would have been no matter left over and the universe would have only been filled with radiation. As it turns out the universe was created with 1 billion and 1 matter particles for every 1 billion anti-matter particles. Good thing for us because otherwise there would have been no planets, no stars, no galaxies and no life.

How is it that the proton is exactly as plus-charged as the electron is minus-charged? If the charges of protons and electrons were not exactly the same the electric charge would be enough to overwhelm the forces of gravitation that bring matter together; and we would have no planets, no stars, no galaxies and no life.

If the proton and neutron did not have enormously greater mass than the electron, all matter would be fluid and there would be no planets, no stars, no galaxies and no life.

All workable universes. All devoid of life and intelligence. And there are more.

 

[edthecynic]

The problem is that for matter and energy to do what matter and energy do, there has to be rules in place for matter and energy to obey. The formation of space and time followed rules. Specifically the law of conservation and quantum mechanics. These laws existed before space and time and defined the potential of everything which was possible. These laws are no thing.

Not quite1

 

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Well... I'm getting ready to school you on something else. You are the gift that keeps on giving.

And you are the fool who thinks he knows everything when you know nothing.

I never claimed to know everything. Just more than you on this subject.

 

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The problem is that for matter and energy to do what matter and energy do, there has to be rules in place for matter and energy to obey. The formation of space and time followed rules. Specifically the law of conservation and quantum mechanics. These laws existed before space and time and defined the potential of everything which was possible. These laws are no thing.

Not quite1

And what does he say?

Because I am almost certain he does not believe as you do that the universe has existed forever.

 

[edthecynic]

If the proton and neutron did not have enormously greater mass than the electron, all matter would be fluid and there would be no planets, no stars, no galaxies and no life.

How do you know that life is not possible in a fluid state?

1.1 Fluid Mechanics
Fluid mechanics is the branch of science concerned with moving and stationary fluids. Given that the vast majority of the observable mass in the universe exists in a fluid state, that life as we know it is not possible without fluids, and that the atmosphere and oceans covering this planet are fluids, fluid mechanics has unquestioned scientific and practical importance.

 

[edthecynic]

The problem is that for matter and energy to do what matter and energy do, there has to be rules in place for matter and energy to obey. The formation of space and time followed rules. Specifically the law of conservation and quantum mechanics. These laws existed before space and time and defined the potential of everything which was possible. These laws are no thing.

Not quite1

And what does he say?

Because I am almost certain he does not believe as you do that the universe has existed forever.

If you had listened he contradicted your know-it-all claim that the laws of physics and nature are no thing.
Here is another well known scientist saying the same thing in a more jocular manner.

 

[ding]

If the proton and neutron did not have enormously greater mass than the electron, all matter would be fluid and there would be no planets, no stars, no galaxies and no life.

How do you know that life is not possible in a fluid state?

1.1 Fluid Mechanics
Fluid mechanics is the branch of science concerned with moving and stationary fluids. Given that the vast majority of the observable mass in the universe exists in a fluid state, that life as we know it is not possible without fluids, and that the atmosphere and oceans covering this planet are fluids, fluid mechanics has unquestioned scientific and practical importance.

Because in such a universe nothing would stay put. There could not be the fitting together of molecular shapes that permits not only crystals to form, but living organisms.

 

[ding]

The problem is that for matter and energy to do what matter and energy do, there has to be rules in place for matter and energy to obey. The formation of space and time followed rules. Specifically the law of conservation and quantum mechanics. These laws existed before space and time and defined the potential of everything which was possible. These laws are no thing.

Not quite1

And what does he say?

Because I am almost certain he does not believe as you do that the universe has existed forever.

If you had listened he contradicted your know-it-all claim that the laws of physics and nature are no thing.
Here is another well known scientist saying the same thing in a more jocular manner.

And they all agree with me that the universe popped into existence 14 billion years ago being created from nothing and being hardwired to create intelligence.

 

[edthecynic]

If the proton and neutron did not have enormously greater mass than the electron, all matter would be fluid and there would be no planets, no stars, no galaxies and no life.

How do you know that life is not possible in a fluid state?

1.1 Fluid Mechanics
Fluid mechanics is the branch of science concerned with moving and stationary fluids. Given that the vast majority of the observable mass in the universe exists in a fluid state, that life as we know it is not possible without fluids, and that the atmosphere and oceans covering this planet are fluids, fluid mechanics has unquestioned scientific and practical importance.

Because in such a universe nothing would stay put. There could not be the fitting together of molecular shapes that permits not only crystals to form, but living organisms.

now you are just making shit up as you PONTIFICATE!
There ARE fluid molecules and therefore it is possible those molecules could form a kind of fluid life in another universe with different natural laws. Nothing is "impossible" in the multiverse, except maybe you admitting the truth.

 

[edthecynic]

The problem is that for matter and energy to do what matter and energy do, there has to be rules in place for matter and energy to obey. The formation of space and time followed rules. Specifically the law of conservation and quantum mechanics. These laws existed before space and time and defined the potential of everything which was possible. These laws are no thing.

Not quite1

And what does he say?

Because I am almost certain he does not believe as you do that the universe has existed forever.

If you had listened he contradicted your know-it-all claim that the laws of physics and nature are no thing.
Here is another well known scientist saying the same thing in a more jocular manner.

And they all agree with me that the universe popped into existence 14 billion years ago being created from nothing and being hardwired to create intelligence.

They admitted no such thing, they both are arguing that there is no such thing as nothing.
Can't you be honest about anything????

 

[ReinyDays]

Temperature is the measure of heat. There is no temperature where the motion is zero.

Is this some 12th Century book you getting this from? ... I don't think I've used the word "heat" since Middle School ...

The macroscopic definition of temperature is total kinetic energy ... electrons orbiting, vibration states, motion through space ... everything has a temperature, even if it's 0 K ...

You forgot to tell us about the friction within an atom ... I'm extremely curious ...

 

[ReinyDays]

There ARE fluid molecules and therefore it is possible those molecules could form a kind of fluid life in another universe with different natural laws. Nothing is "impossible" in the multiverse, except maybe you admitting the truth.

Nothing is the unique additive identity ... a very important "something" ...

You seem desparately confused about what a "fluid state" is ... this comes from Continuum Theory and it's just a way to deal with very large numbers of molecules without having to analyze each one ... there's no such thing as a "fluid" molecule, only that molecules can be treated as a fluid ... and in every circumstance, they can be treated as particles with satisfactory results ... both ways work ...

In the multiverse, there exists a level 5 fighter/level 3 magic-user who has a pseudo-dragon as a companion animal ... kicks ass on hobgoblins for sure ... the scars are because we have an asshole cleric ... and an asshole DM who won't let me kill the bastard ... "just because you're chaotic doesn't mean you can't be good" ...

 

[Grumblenuts]

An example of perpetual motion in nature is the electron. If the entropy of the atom was not zero and friction existed in the atom, the electron would lose energy and couldn't maintain its orbit and would be drawn into the nucleus, splitting it, and no matter could exist.

Bingo.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Temperature is the measure of heat. There is no temperature where the motion is zero.

Where all motion stops is as likely a source for Big Bangs as any. But nowhere does that ever occurring within any universe make a lick of sense.

 

[edthecynic]

You forgot to tell us about the friction within an atom ... I'm extremely curious ...

What friction?
You need to learn the meaning of IF!
Here i what I actually posted, "If the entropy of the atom was not zero and friction existed in the atom,"

 

[edthecynic]

Temperature is the measure of heat. There is no temperature where the motion is zero.

Where all motion stops is as likely a source for Big Bangs as any. But nowhere does that ever occurring within any universe make a lick of sense.

If all motion in the universe stopped, it would be a very unstable state, like tossing a ball straight up in the air. For one moment it is neither rising or falling, but it cannot maintain that state and in the same moment it starts to fall.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Temperature is the measure of heat. There is no temperature where the motion is zero.

Where all motion stops is as likely a source for Big Bangs as any. But nowhere does that ever occurring within any universe make a lick of sense.

If all motion in the universe stopped, it would be a very unstable state, like tossing a ball straight up in the air. For one moment it is neither rising or falling, but it cannot maintain that state and in the same moment it starts to fall.

If "all motion in the universe" could actually stop and did, as you noted previously: there would be no temperature. No heat. Nothing. It can't happen.. Unless.. There's no matter to begin with. There can be no "Space" since space itself is presumed to contain "dark matter." But there can be "dark energy." Just call it "The Medium" or "The Aether" as just about everyone including Einstein did prior to him declaring it superfluous in a moment of idiocy that he soon retracted. Too late.. The damage was done. Nein! Nicht! No more Aether for you! Or you! Or you!!