Can you IMAGINE a socialist society, as John Lennon did? Will you work for it?

[Diuretic]

I'd like to stick around but the strawmen here are giving my hay fever hell

 

[Derek_Plumber]

With socialism, you just change one aristocracy for another.

Do you have any idea what an "aristocracy" is? Try looking up the meaning before you use a word.

 

[xsited1]

Can you IMAGINE a socialist society, as John Lennon did? Will you work for it?

Yes, but they've all gone bankrupt.

Please name the socialist countries that have gone bankrupt

Ever heard of the USSR? Sweden has almost gone bankrupt 3 times in the past 25 years until they implemented free market reforms. They still haven't learned. Look at the Latin American countries.

Seriously, have you been living under a rock for the past 100 years?

 

[Derek_Plumber]

Doctor, we have a severe lack of oxygen in this man's brain!

At least he has a brain, and uses it.

 

[Tech_Esq]

With socialism, you just change one aristocracy for another.

Do you have any idea what an "aristocracy" is? Try looking up the meaning before you use a word.

Are you really that big an idiot? Stupid infantile moron. Go look those up. I forgot you don't need to you probably have a mirror.

Got no time for the likes of you.

 

[Diuretic]

Socialism in its true form doesn't allow for an elite which is a marker of an artistocracy as well as the fascist state. However there are plenty of examples of state capitalism and elites, such as the USSR Politburo. But then state capitalism isn't socialism.

 

[Coloradomtnman]

Look, the USSR, Cuba, China, Venezuela, Sweden, etc. are not true socialist economies and the governments were hardly what Marxism or more recent socialist philosophies encompass.

Under a truly socialist system you'd still have to work. Its just that you would own part of the company where you worked. You'd have a stake in it. You wouldn't be homeless and you wouldn't starve or die due to lack of medical care if you didn't work, but you wouldn't have much more than a place to live, food, and medical care. If you wanted a nice place to live, furniture, to eat out, to travel, to own a computer or cellphone, to access the internet from home, to own books or gear or anything beyond the necesseties you'd have to work. Not to mention that your community might not take very friendly to you if you didn't contribute, which working would contribute directly TO your community.

You wouldn't be working for a paycheck, you'd be working to better your community; you wouldn't be working for wealthy people who pay you as little as they can get away with, you'd be working for you and your community, you'd work because you wanted a better life and a meaningful one instead of clinging to an unrealistic dream that you'll one day be wealthy and own lots of stuff. Life wouldn't be focused on the material but on the experiential.

It wouldn't be that you graduate high school and go to college to get a job, then get a job and work until your an elderly person and then retire for a little while before you die; it would be that you graduate school and go to college to learn, then you work because you want to be a part of your community and contribute and benefit from living in an organized society (because why live in one otherwise?) and when you got older you'd retire and not worry about paying the bills or dying because medicare won't cover your healthcare, but instead you get to take a different role in contributing to your community and enjoy your golden years.

And throughout your life, instead of work being your focus, you're able to spend more time with your wife or husband and with your kids as they grow up instead of working all the time until they grow up and move away. You won't worry about being fired because you want a raise but only because you don't do your job well. And you won't have to worry that you make so little compared to the cost of living that in order to maintain a quality of life and own a home you have to indebt yourself for 30 years or more.

It isn't perfect, but its not about money. Its about life, community, freedom, and experience. Research it. Stop assuming you know what socialism is because you don't. It hasn't yet existed in the world. If you only realized what the benefits of socialism truly are and give up your materialistic and unrealistic dreams of wealth and instead lived each day as a meaningful member of your community without undue worry about financial disaster because you lose your job and/or your house loses its value or you or someone in your family gets really sick. Let go of this idea that there is no competition in a socialist economy or that you don't have to work at all and can just leach of the system. People do that now in any system, both the very poor and the very wealthy. But if we got rid of the wealthy, you leach far more than the poor ever could, at least your tax dollars wouldn't go to already wealthy and would only go to the poor and the needy.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

Aristocracy is not the fancy clothes and the neat palaces. (they are perks of the job, not the job) Aristocracy is the belief that one set of folks should make the policy for everyone else based on their own inherent wonderfulness. Socialism is starts out with the aristocracy of the best and brightest. And ends up with the aristocracy of the greediest and vilest.

 

[Coloradomtnman]

Aristocracy is not the fancy clothes and the neat palaces. (they are perks of the job, not the job) Aristocracy is the belief that one set of folks should make the policy for everyone else based on their own inherent wonderfulness. Socialism is starts out with the aristocracy of the best and brightest. And ends up with the aristocracy of the greediest and vilest.

Where do you even begin to know that?

With all the straw, man, on this thread, I've got it in my clothes and hair, and its really making me itch, dude.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

One more parthian shot. You do have the option of making your own socialism without us. Is it fair to push folks into a system they have no desire to be part of? isn't that your complaint against capitalism? But under the current system, you do have the option of getting with your friends and doing your own thing your own way in your own place. Set up your communes. Do it your way. Let us do it ours.

 

[Derek_Plumber]

People simply dont have the faith to do it without God. You honestly think any sane person is going to put their faith in government? It's utterly insane.

Well, I have not figured out what kind of fanatic you are. Most of your post supports wealth, then you throw in a little religion in at the end. Do you know what a Christian Socialist is? Well, you are about to find out.

Christian socialism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Christian socialism generally refers to those on the Christian left whose politics are both Christian and socialist and who see these two philosophies as being interrelated. This category can include Liberation theology and the doctrine of the social gospel. The term "Christian Socialism" is used in this sense by organizations such as the Christian Socialist Movement.

Educate yourself if you are going to talk religion. This is your wake-up call!

 

[eots]

there is far to much invested in the present system regardless of its fundamental self destructive madness to just legislate revolutionary changes in mankind..the shit house will have to go up in flames first and in the rebuilding and of necessity we will make the profound changes in are collective reality




Because America is all-powerful. America kicks ass. And America doesn't have to answer to anybody. Unless, and until, God or the space aliens come to kick our ass.....

King Missile

 

[Derek_Plumber]

Yes, but they've all gone bankrupt.

Please name the socialist countries that have gone bankrupt, then give me a quick financial analysis of the United States. You're pointing to Cuba and the Soviet Union as examples of economic greatness?

No.

Cuba and the Soviet Union are Communist States, not socialist.
THIS IS AN ANTI-COMMUNISM THREAD.

Communist States have a one party system.
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A ONE PARTY SYSTEM.

You are just a Repub trying to twist the facts.SIZE]

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[Derek_Plumber]

Well, the minute you get your socialism, I'm outta here. You can have it.

Here's the door, don't let it hit you in the backside.

Before you show me the door, you show me the socialism.

It may not come that easily. I'll know when it's time to leave. This country was not built on dirt, it was built on an ideal. When the ideal is gone, so is the reason for being here.

For a guy who has all that Reagan stuff, I would have thought you would know all this. Do some research. Look at this site, fine. But, this is not research, these are opinions. Google socialism. Reread the three founding documents of this great nation. Understand all the ideologies BESIDES yours.

I will give you one hint. When all that money was accepted by those Wall Street banks, it was the beginning of the end for capitalism. I will leave it to your research to find out why.

You are arriving at the party a little late, but you might get in. Glad to see someone back off a little and make the effort to think this through.

 

[Derek_Plumber]

Why should I pay attention to one man's dream, when it would result in a nightmare for so many? Why should I work to bring back slavery, censorship, groupthink, and other horrors.

You may think it is good, but if you like it, get together with some of your friends and make your hell for yourself. But include me out.

Now let's see who has more credibility to talk, John Lennon who dedicated his life to peace and other people, or Bauch...Baruch??? Mendelson...Menachem. Munchkin Bucket! That's it Munchkin Bucket or John Lennon? Ummm. I pick;

 

[Derek_Plumber]

Yes, but they've all gone bankrupt.

Please name the socialist countries that have gone bankrupt

Ever heard of the USSR? Sweden has almost gone bankrupt 3 times in the past 25 years until they implemented free market reforms. They still haven't learned. Look at the Latin American countries.

Seriously, have you been living under a rock for the past 100 years?

It is a little hard to separate fact from fiction when sources are not given. What you have looks a lot like an M. C. Escher painting. Verify your facts and come again.​

 

[Agnapostate]

Doctor, we have a severe lack of oxygen in this man's brain!

Actually, he's one of the few people in this thread who've made sensical comments, while you, as with so many other things, have merely demonstrated your ignorance. If there's a single rightist on this forum who can offer a valid criticism of legitimate socialism (i.e. not state capitalism), then let him/her come here and offer it. The problem is that I don't believe any such rightist exists on the entire board

 

[Derek_Plumber]

With socialism, you just change one aristocracy for another.

Do you have any idea what an "aristocracy" is? Try looking up the meaning before you use a word.

Are you really that big an idiot? Stupid infantile moron. Go look those up. I forgot you don't need to you probably have a mirror.

Got no time for the likes of you.

Thank you for playing the home game of know your country.
We want you to take this beautiful family crest home with you as a door prize.
You won't be back next week.
Don't let this door hit you in the behind on the way out.
It is a special door for conservatives that... uh... goes to... the country club. Yes, the country club, uh huh.

 

[Derek_Plumber]

Whoops, tech error. This goes on next week. French Revolution, next week, right?

What does the script say? If there is a problem put on Back to the Future.
What is going on in this post??? Did I break it? Time for a break.

 

[Derek_Plumber]