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Yeah maybe we should define freedom first. I see it as a lack of responsibility to anyone.You can be free, and still be a responsible member of a society. Unless you are referring to a lack of responsibility as freedom.Where does the line stop for you?So when you mandate Obamacare...that is “anti-authoritarianism” in your limited little mind?Um, being anti-authoritarian is pretty much what the left is all about.
I agree to a certain extent.No such thing as freedom unless you are completely alone. Once you team up you loose your freedom as you are now responsible for more than just yourself.If those desires are ever at odds do you choose safety, and quality of life for the majority of people over freedom? Or do you believe freedom is always the answer for safety, and quality of life for the majority of people?Yes. the things we on the left want to accomplish with government are about enhancing freedom, safety, and quality of life for the majority of people.
What does mutual respect have to do with freedom?No such thing as freedom unless you are completely alone. Once you team up you loose your freedom as you are now responsible for more than just yourself.If those desires are ever at odds do you choose safety, and quality of life for the majority of people over freedom? Or do you believe freedom is always the answer for safety, and quality of life for the majority of people?Yes. the things we on the left want to accomplish with government are about enhancing freedom, safety, and quality of life for the majority of people.Interesting can you explain more?
If the authority at hand is government do you still believe it to be true?
You an retain freedom amongst a group of people who do not ask or desire you to take responsibility for them and who similarly don't attempt to take responsibility for you.
Mutual respect is the key to freedom.
See, heres the problem. You guys don't understand what freedom is.How free is a person who can't afford to eat?Yes. the things we on the left want to accomplish with government are about enhancing freedom, safety, and quality of life for the majority of people.Interesting can you explain more?Um, being anti-authoritarian is pretty much what the left is all about.
If the authority at hand is government do you still believe it to be true?
It's not government's job to guarantee you "quality of life." That's for you to obtain on your own. In other words, the constitution does not guarantee you an income, an education, healthcare, housing, a car, a telephone, or internet service
It does however, guarantee freedom and safety.
110% free to earn as much money as he or she wants to. Even enough to buy something to eat. If that person can't afford something to eat, they're obviously a slave of their own ignorance or laziness.
Depends. Complete freedom would have resulted in homo sapiens dying off due to not being able to defend itself or procreate.My current hypothesis is this.
right: The very few things that are placed above freedom in the hierarchy of values is taking care of the physical well being of those you are responsible for usually being household family. "Personal responsibility > everything else."
Left: The very few things that are placed above freedom in the hierarchy of values is taking care of the physical well being as well as the emotional well being of as many people as possible in an attempt at achieving the most good possible even if its at the expense of others "biggest bang for your buck"
what do you guys conclude?
Where does freedom go in your hierarchy of values?
See, heres the problem. You guys don't understand what freedom is.How free is a person who can't afford to eat?Yes. the things we on the left want to accomplish with government are about enhancing freedom, safety, and quality of life for the majority of people.Interesting can you explain more?
If the authority at hand is government do you still believe it to be true?
It's not government's job to guarantee you "quality of life." That's for you to obtain on your own. In other words, the constitution does not guarantee you an income, an education, healthcare, housing, a car, a telephone, or internet service
It does however, guarantee freedom and safety.
110% free to earn as much money as he or she wants to. Even enough to buy something to eat. If that person can't afford something to eat, they're obviously a slave of their own ignorance or laziness.
...is strictly limited to the 18 enumerated powers of the federal government.“Provide for the general welfare...."
"The first clause of Article I, Section 8, reads, "The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts andExcises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States." This clause,called the General Welfare Clause or the Spending Power Clause, does not grant Congress the power to legislate for the general welfare of the country; that is a power reserved to the states through the Tenth Amendment. Rather, it merely allows Congress to spend federal money for the general welfare. "
Disagree. Humans depended on each other for support for eons.What does mutual respect have to do with freedom?No such thing as freedom unless you are completely alone. Once you team up you loose your freedom as you are now responsible for more than just yourself.If those desires are ever at odds do you choose safety, and quality of life for the majority of people over freedom? Or do you believe freedom is always the answer for safety, and quality of life for the majority of people?Yes. the things we on the left want to accomplish with government are about enhancing freedom, safety, and quality of life for the majority of people.
You an retain freedom amongst a group of people who do not ask or desire you to take responsibility for them and who similarly don't attempt to take responsibility for you.
Mutual respect is the key to freedom.
When you respect someone, you are able to not concern yourself with their decisions. Right or wrong, as long as they don't impact you personally, allowing people to decide their lives for themselves is freedom.
You cannot respect anyone who you have to support. Likewise, they help but to have contempt for you if they rely on you for that support.
But that would mean to be truly free you would have to be without family or friends.Yeah maybe we should define freedom first. I see it as a lack of responsibility to anyone.You can be free, and still be a responsible member of a society. Unless you are referring to a lack of responsibility as freedom.Where does the line stop for you?So when you mandate Obamacare...that is “anti-authoritarianism” in your limited little mind?Um, being anti-authoritarian is pretty much what the left is all about.I agree to a certain extent.No such thing as freedom unless you are completely alone. Once you team up you loose your freedom as you are now responsible for more than just yourself.If those desires are ever at odds do you choose safety, and quality of life for the majority of people over freedom? Or do you believe freedom is always the answer for safety, and quality of life for the majority of people?
Thats why I said this....But that would mean to be truly free you would have to be without family or friends.Yeah maybe we should define freedom first. I see it as a lack of responsibility to anyone.You can be free, and still be a responsible member of a society. Unless you are referring to a lack of responsibility as freedom.Where does the line stop for you?So when you mandate Obamacare...that is “anti-authoritarianism” in your limited little mind?I agree to a certain extent.No such thing as freedom unless you are completely alone. Once you team up you loose your freedom as you are now responsible for more than just yourself.
The bigger problem is that your ignorant ass thinks that “freedom” = someone being forced to provide you with a fuck’n hot dog.See, heres the problem. You guys don't understand what freedom is.
Because having children means I forfeit my constitutional rights? Really? Now that is a special kind of authoritarian “logic”.“No such thing as freedom unless you are completely alone. "
Who would really want such freedom?Thats why I said this....But that would mean to be truly free you would have to be without family or friends.Yeah maybe we should define freedom first. I see it as a lack of responsibility to anyone.You can be free, and still be a responsible member of a society. Unless you are referring to a lack of responsibility as freedom.Where does the line stop for you?I agree to a certain extent.
"No such thing as freedom unless you are completely alone. "
Yes. They will put your ass in jail if you starve your children. How free will you be then?Because having children means I forfeit my constitutional rights? Really? Now that is a special kind of authoritarian “logic”.“No such thing as freedom unless you are completely alone. "
Freedom is like the promises Drumpf makes his voting base. Its an illusion unless you are going to wander the earth with no responsibilities.This is what I was trying to clear up no one here values freedom as their highest value and no one here believes freedom to be a plague what I'm trying to decipher is if the "left" can hold freedom as a higher value than the "right". And if not why.
See, heres the problem. You guys don't understand what freedom is.How free is a person who can't afford to eat?Yes. the things we on the left want to accomplish with government are about enhancing freedom, safety, and quality of life for the majority of people.Interesting can you explain more?
If the authority at hand is government do you still believe it to be true?
It's not government's job to guarantee you "quality of life." That's for you to obtain on your own. In other words, the constitution does not guarantee you an income, an education, healthcare, housing, a car, a telephone, or internet service
It does however, guarantee freedom and safety.
110% free to earn as much money as he or she wants to. Even enough to buy something to eat. If that person can't afford something to eat, they're obviously a slave of their own ignorance or laziness.
Owning guns is not freedom my misguided friend.See, heres the problem. You guys don't understand what freedom is.How free is a person who can't afford to eat?Yes. the things we on the left want to accomplish with government are about enhancing freedom, safety, and quality of life for the majority of people.
It's not government's job to guarantee you "quality of life." That's for you to obtain on your own. In other words, the constitution does not guarantee you an income, an education, healthcare, housing, a car, a telephone, or internet service
It does however, guarantee freedom and safety.
110% free to earn as much money as he or she wants to. Even enough to buy something to eat. If that person can't afford something to eat, they're obviously a slave of their own ignorance or laziness.
BS. I'm taking full advantage of my freedom. Take the Second Amendment, for example: How many firearms do you own? One? Two? Maybe three or four?
That's because I broke the law. What does that have to do with freedom? Freedom doesn't mean the right to commit murder.Yes. They will put your ass in jail if you starve your children. How free will you be then?
Well of course you wouldn't. You're a typical authoritarian left-winger.Who would really want such freedom? Not me.
