Can the Military Enforce Immigration Law?

[Failzero]

USAF Police can enforce law ( legally ) and there are other Military Law Enforcement who can also

 

[White 6]

The best use of the military is along the border with mexico

And in quelling lib riots in deep blue cities

Which is largely what trump is doing

No.
First sentence is true.
The second should be up to the governors.
The Pres is not supposed to quarter active duty troops in cities and states for law enforcement (presidential activation under title ten makes them Federal Troops under command/control active army) and/or riot control without request of the Governors, who are the state commanders of the National Guard. Through the State Adjutant Generals, they command. This is how it was intended under our constitution.

 

[Failzero]

No.
First sentence is true.
The second should be up to the governors.
The Pres is not supposed to quarter active duty troops in cities and states for law enforcement (presidential activation under title ten makes them Federal Troops under command/control active army) and/or riot control without request of the Governors, who are the state commanders of the National Guard. Through the State Adjutant Generals, they command. This is how it was intended under our constitution.

USAF Police can legally arrest Civilians outside of the Airbases they patrol & protect

 

[White 6]

USAF Police can legally arrest Civilians outside of the Airbases they patrol & protect

So can MPs, but they do not patrol or stand guard at civilian or even non-military government facilities off post. Not the same a quartering troops in distant cities for law enforcement and civilian population control. This is what the founding fathers, did not want.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Like when the British army illegally emigrated into Washington DC in the War of 1812?

 

[Failzero]

When it is really onnnn most people will be begging for a Military response .

 

[Mac-7]

No.
First sentence is true.
The second should be up to the governors.
The Pres is not supposed to quarter active duty troops in cities and states for law enforcement (presidential activation under title ten makes them Federal Troops under command/control active army) and/or riot control without request of the Governors, who are the state commanders of the National Guard. Through the State Adjutant Generals, they command. This is how it was intended under our constitution.

So Eisenhower and JFK were wrong when they used federal troops on US soil over the objection of the Governor?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So Eisenhower and JFK were wrong when they used federal troops on US soil over the objection of the Governor?

White 6 knows nothing of history apparently.

 

[White 6]

So Eisenhower and JFK were wrong when they used federal troops on US soil over the objection of the Governor?

Eisenhower was not wrong. The school board had agreed to desegregate, and in fact several state colleges and universities had desegregated, already. This did not sit well with some in Little Rock, as well as outsiders that came in to oppose desegregation (ordered by the Supreme Court) and there were threats of violence and there were protests. The Arkansas National Guard was activated by Governor "Orval Faubus, a segregationist, announced on September 2, 1957, that he would order the state’s National Guard to surround Central to prevent the black students from entering, under the guise of protecting them from mob violence." This set the stage as a showdown between Federal Courts, Supreme Court and Federal Government vs the segregationist Arkansas state governor and his use of 1200 state National Guard Troops, under his state authority. Activation under title 10, federalized those troop to active army status and put them under Active Army control, instead of State Adjutant General control. They were supplemented with 1000 troops of the 101st Airborne as well as command staff, and pulled duty, escorting the Little Rock 9 to classes at Central High School until October of that year, after the situation had stabelized and the troops were withdrawn.
This bears no relationship to the situation in California as no Governor was using state National Guard troops to thwart an act of Congress or Federal/Supreme Court order.

Kennedy's use of the Military, was again, due to opposition of the Governor of Alabama, George Wallace. Wallace flanked by State Trooper had stood on the steps of University of Alabama to block registration of two black students. Deputy US Attorney General Katzenbach ordered Wallace to step aside, but Wallace did not move, instead launching in to a speech on what he thought of civil rights legislation. Katzenbach called the White House and President Kennedy who had earlier ordered Wallace to step aside, then issued Presidential Executive order 11111, under the Insurrection Act, authorizing the activation of the Alabama National Guard, under command of General Henry Graham (Adjutant General of the State of Alabama) to carry out the desegregation order, who, 4 hours later commanded Governor Wallace to step aside, which after short speech, he did.

Again, this does not relate to the situation in California, as Governor Newsom had previously ordered California Highway patrol to assist city of Los Angeles Police department to maintain order and arrest law breakers protesting against ICE, which they did and were doing. There simply was no reason for Trump to take charge, federalizing California National Guard, or sending in the Marines.

 

[Mac-7]

Eisenhower was not wrong. The school board had agreed to desegregate, and in fact several state colleges and universities had desegregated, already. This did not sit well with some in Little Rock, as well as outsiders that came in to oppose desegregation (ordered by the Supreme Court) and there were threats of violence and there were protests. The Arkansas National Guard was activated by Governor "Orval Faubus, a segregationist, announced on September 2, 1957, that he would order the state’s National Guard to surround Central to prevent the black students from entering, under the guise of protecting them from mob violence." This set the stage as a showdown between Federal Courts, Supreme Court and Federal Government vs the segregationist Arkansas state governor and his use of 1200 state National Guard Troops, under his state authority. Activation under title 10, federalized those troop to active army status and put them under Active Army control, instead of State Adjutant General control. They were supplemented with 1000 troops of the 101st Airborne as well as command staff, and pulled duty, escorting the Little Rock 9 to classes at Central High School until October of that year, after the situation had stabelized and the troops were withdrawn.
This bears no relationship to the situation in California as no Governor was using state National Guard troops to thwart an act of Congress or Federal/Supreme Court order.

Kennedy's use of the Military, was again, due to opposition of the Governor of Alabama, George Wallace. Wallace flanked by State Trooper had stood on the steps of University of Alabama to block registration of two black students. Deputy US Attorney General Katzenbach ordered Wallace to step aside, but Wallace did not move, instead launching in to a speech on what he thought of civil rights legislation. Katzenbach called the White House and President Kennedy who had earlier ordered Wallace to step aside, then issued Presidential Executive order 11111, under the Insurrection Act, authorizing the activation of the Alabama National Guard, under command of General Henry Graham (Adjutant General of the State of Alabama) to carry out the desegregation order, who, 4 hours later commanded Governor Wallace to step aside, which after short speech, he did.

Again, this does not relate to the situation in California, as Governor Newsom had previously ordered California Highway patrol to assist city of Los Angeles Police department to maintain order and arrest law breakers protesting against ICE, which they did and were doing. There simply was no reason for Trump to take charge, federalizing California National Guard, or sending in the Marines.

The crowd was winning and newsom was losing control

Trump used the NG and Marines to restore order

 

[Failzero]

The US Military was heavily used during the 1992 Los Angeles Riots

 

[White 6]

The crowd was winning and newsom was losing control

Trump used the NG and Marines to restore order

No, they weren't. Check the arrest records, and you will find the arrests were by California Highway Patrol, Los Angeles Police and Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. It was never a situation like the Watts Riots of Floyd riots of 1965 with 34 deaths and 1000 injuries. Not like the Rodney King riots of 1992 with 63 deaths, 2,383 injuries and over a $1 Billion in damages. Trump is just a blowhard, looking for a reason to quarter troops in cities, against the constitution, he was supposed to protect and defend.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

What a silly, false thing to say.

 

[Mac-7]

No, they weren't. Check the arrest records, and you will find the arrests were by California Highway Patrol, Los Angeles Police and Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. It was never a situation like the Watts Riots of Floyd riots of 1965 with 34 deaths and 1000 injuries. Not like the Rodney King riots of 1992 with 63 deaths, 2,383 injuries and over a $1 Billion in damages. Trump is just a blowhard, looking for a reason to quarter troops in cities, against the constitution, he was supposed to protect and defend.

Arresting miscreants in deep blue sanctuary cities is not the problem

Its the revolving door afterward that results in no consequences which trump has to ivercome

Newsom and Bass cant shield anarchists from federal charges

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Arresting miscreants in deep blue sanctuary cities is not the problem

Its the revolving door afterward that results in no consequences which trump has to ivercome

Newsom and Bass cant shield anarchists from federal charges

They sure can help ICE to follow the law.

 

[OODA_Loop]

The crowd was winning and newsom was losing control

Trump used the NG and Marines to restore order

No he didn't . He deployed them to protect Federal facilities and assets.

 

[Mac-7]

They sure can help ICE to follow the law.

They could

But Newsom and Bass choose to work against ICE

 

[Mac-7]

No he didn't . He deployed them to protect Federal facilities and assets.

Yes, on public streets surrounding ICE facilities

 

[White 6]

Arresting miscreants in deep blue sanctuary cities is not the problem

Its the revolving door afterward that results in no consequences which trump has to ivercome

Newsom and Bass cant shield anarchists from federal charges

Anarchists? What anarchists? Who is going after anarchists? What anarchists have been arrested? All I see are mostly low paid workers, trying to make their living on low paying job, many of them in the immigration system, many of them attending their immigration meetings and court dates. Some being snatched going into the court house or coming out. Sometime being snatched off the street by armed camo clad secret police without displaying badges, IDs. Hard to tell the secret police from the camo clad militia assholes, I already had to forcefully reject, in the past, and the biggest reason I carry 15+1 with two spare magazines in my shoulder holster, now. Luckily, they aren't operating much in Red states and are targeting brown skin or foreign looking targets to make quota, even if having to release a few days later, in order to show numbers so you feel more secure. So, tell us the story of the anarchist captured, charged and prosecuted. We have not seen or heard it. Is this the new wave, to look forward to, INS and ICE stopping average Americans who are supposedly anarchists? I have met some of the real anarchists and was targeted, as I would not join, support and train them. I am still better at my skill set, than the ones I met, and that being the reason, they chose to back off, before demonstrating what they wanted me to train.

 

[Mac-7]

Anarchists? What anarchists? Who is going after anarchists? What anarchists have been arrested?

The socially disconnected freaks rioting in the streets, setting fire to ICE cars, pelting them with rocks and recently trying to murder ICE agents

You would have to be blind not to see the insurgency taking place in deep blue cities