Can the economy be "fixed" without letting it utterly collapse?

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The bigger they are, they harder they fall. It's a commonly reoccurring fact that sometimes things just get too big, too cumbersome, and the only way it's fixed is when it crashes down and starts virtually anew. It happens in nature. The dinosaurs came to dominate the earth to the point where mother nature was being over taxed on what she could and could not support in the continuance of life on this planey. They came crashing down and life continued to flourish. It happens with humans. Empires rise, contribute to society, and fall so that society will not longer be held back by how cumbersome their dominance has become.

Our current economic problems exist because our entire system has become cumbersome. Too much wealth at the top, too little at the bottom, too little need to pay out, too much ability to remain wealthy without paying. Too much willingness to pay overly high markups for goods and services, too much need to get by without those goods and services. This cannot be fixed by government taxing the wealthy. Because the markets are not a simple matter of dollars and cents. Too much moral evaluation of our economic models. Economies, by their nature, redistribute wealth naturally. I cannot turn a profit unless I charge you more than it took for me to produce. That's the simple fact of it, and no amount of decrying profit as evil will change the necessity of making profit. The success of an economic model isn't based on its alleged moral value. It's based on its ability to allow and maintain continual movement of wealthy over a long period of time, so that people can enjoy success over most of their lifetimes.

After the 1920s the economy came crashing down when it became too cumbersome. But after the Great Depression the economy reemerged more powerful than before. If our economy suffers a similar crash, we can expect it to eventually produce a similar rebounding. Government bailouts try to prevent the economy's natural mechanisms to redistribute wealth into a more sustainable setting so that it can resume productivity again.

Can the economy ever recover, truly recover, unless we allow it to fall on its own? If large corporations fail on their own accord, they create vacuums in demand that will allow smaller businesses an opportunity to flourish stronger than before. Smaller businesses tend not to have as cumbersome structures as larger businesses. The pay scales and profit scales tend to spread more of the company's wealth among more employees, not just to the top of the pyramid, which allows for greater economic stability, and greater affluence in the population with less need for government programs and policies to attempt to artificially create it. What our economy needs is for the large corporations to fail on their own, for smaller businesses to fill in the void on their own, and the result will be that more people will be able to earn income on their own through returning to work, instead of continual unemployment benefits, food stamps, etc.
 

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I guess you were wrong.

not very in the middle though
 

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Sure.. we need to get the current crop of moronic classroom theoreticians and Fabian Socialists out of the picture though...
 

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Can the economy be "fixed" without letting it utterly collapse?
I say no.

The biggest millstone around the neck of the American economy is the socialistic welfare state in general and Socialist Insecurity/Medicare/Obolshevikcare in particular.

Only through a complete economic collapse will the nation rid itself of those three gigantic scams.
 

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What our economy needs is for the large corporations to fail on their own, for smaller businesses to fill in the void on their own, and the result will be that more people will be able to earn income on their own through returning to work, instead of continual unemployment benefits, food stamps, etc.
We have jobs. Look at the illegals we are forced to hire.
 

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We have to get leaders in that know what they are doing!
 

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The bigger they are, they harder they fall. It's a commonly reoccurring fact that sometimes things just get too big, too cumbersome, and the only way it's fixed is when it crashes down and starts virtually anew. It happens in nature. The dinosaurs came to dominate the earth to the point where mother nature was being over taxed on what she could and could not support in the continuance of life on this planey. They came crashing down and life continued to flourish. It happens with humans. Empires rise, contribute to society, and fall so that society will not longer be held back by how cumbersome their dominance has become.

Our current economic problems exist because our entire system has become cumbersome. Too much wealth at the top, too little at the bottom, too little need to pay out, too much ability to remain wealthy without paying. Too much willingness to pay overly high markups for goods and services, too much need to get by without those goods and services. This cannot be fixed by government taxing the wealthy. Because the markets are not a simple matter of dollars and cents. Too much moral evaluation of our economic models. Economies, by their nature, redistribute wealth naturally. I cannot turn a profit unless I charge you more than it took for me to produce. That's the simple fact of it, and no amount of decrying profit as evil will change the necessity of making profit. The success of an economic model isn't based on its alleged moral value. It's based on its ability to allow and maintain continual movement of wealthy over a long period of time, so that people can enjoy success over most of their lifetimes.

After the 1920s the economy came crashing down when it became too cumbersome. But after the Great Depression the economy reemerged more powerful than before. If our economy suffers a similar crash, we can expect it to eventually produce a similar rebounding. Government bailouts try to prevent the economy's natural mechanisms to redistribute wealth into a more sustainable setting so that it can resume productivity again.

Can the economy ever recover, truly recover, unless we allow it to fall on its own? If large corporations fail on their own accord, they create vacuums in demand that will allow smaller businesses an opportunity to flourish stronger than before. Smaller businesses tend not to have as cumbersome structures as larger businesses. The pay scales and profit scales tend to spread more of the company's wealth among more employees, not just to the top of the pyramid, which allows for greater economic stability, and greater affluence in the population with less need for government programs and policies to attempt to artificially create it. What our economy needs is for the large corporations to fail on their own, for smaller businesses to fill in the void on their own, and the result will be that more people will be able to earn income on their own through returning to work, instead of continual unemployment benefits, food stamps, etc.
Simple...YES! The economy can be fixed. There will be MANY unhappy government employees, MANY unhappy social security leeches, MANY unhappy liberal politicians, MANY unhappy union goons, union leaders and other featherbedders....

Cut the size of the government, (fire non-essential employees at all levels of government)
Cut government spending,
Replace the existing tax codes so that EVERYBODY pays something (if only ten bucks a year)
Inact a business tax system that makes it lucrative to STAY IN THE UNITED STATES.

...just for starters!
 

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if we follow Obama's "fix" we WILL collapse by 2026 as the mounting debt is simply unsustainable.....per Paul Ryan....
 
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Cut the size of the government, (fire non-essential employees at all levels of government)
Cut government spending,
Replace the existing tax codes so that EVERYBODY pays something (if only ten bucks a year)
Inact a business tax system that makes it lucrative to STAY IN THE UNITED STATES.

...just for starters!
Sure, but how do you do all that without letting or causing the whole system to collapse?
 

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