Can South America Become Great?

[sealybobo]

Can Mexico ever become like Australia or Canada?

Should all the countries unite like Europe did with the Euro?

I know corruption is bad. Is this the problem? The crime cartels?

I'm in manufacturing and know there are thousand of manufacturing plants south of the border. Having a strong manufacturing sector is good. Why isn't that prosperity trickling down? Or is it? I hope one day Mexicans don't need to cross the border just like Canadians.

 

[sealybobo]

When corporations can't find enough help wages go up.

 

[BlackFlag]

If they can beat down the cartels then yes

 

[Sonny Clark]

Can Mexico ever become like Australia or Canada?

Should all the countries unite like Europe did with the Euro?

I know corruption is bad. Is this the problem? The crime cartels?

I'm in manufacturing and know there are thousand of manufacturing plants south of the border. Having a strong manufacturing sector is good. Why isn't that prosperity trickling down? Or is it? I hope one day Mexicans don't need to cross the border just like Canadians.

The term "Global Economy" basically means "equalization to the lowest level". Use the U.S.A. as an example.

 

[BlackSand]

The term "Global Economy" basically means "equalization to the lowest level". Use the U.S.A. as an example.

South America is experiencing some gains now.

Some countries are gaining enough GDP to qualify for international loans to assist with infrastructure.
All backed by the collateral supplied by manufacturing expansion and industrialization.

Some places, still heavily influenced by tourism dollars are having to find a balance between industrialization and protecting natural resources.
In a lot of cases they are actually more proactive with developing plans and programs that show the proper awareness towards sustainability and the environment.
Most of the time that is all possible because they are using plans and programs developed and tested by more developed nations/corporations.

It is a slow process though and the size of the country can limit their internal resources.
That being the case ... They are more dependent on the global markets and exports.
You can pretty much bet that those markets and exports will be targeted by countries that intend to secure their own wellbeing first.

So basically ... South America is dependent on innovation and venture capitalism more than individualized national control.
Struggling with socialism while attempting industrialization is counterproductive at some times.

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[The Irish Ram]

Sure they can become profitable. Elect more democrats. They are using our money to prop up every country but ours. Hitlery can get to them as soon as she robs us to build up India. Can you say, "made in India"? Wal-mart can't wait!

 

[sealybobo]

Can Mexico ever become like Australia or Canada?

Should all the countries unite like Europe did with the Euro?

I know corruption is bad. Is this the problem? The crime cartels?

I'm in manufacturing and know there are thousand of manufacturing plants south of the border. Having a strong manufacturing sector is good. Why isn't that prosperity trickling down? Or is it? I hope one day Mexicans don't need to cross the border just like Canadians.

The term "Global Economy" basically means "equalization to the lowest level". Use the U.S.A. as an example.

Actually I heard a Republican author the other day that pointed out that while free trade has hurt the masses in America it has brought billions of non Americans out of poverty.

Mexico, every other s. American country we do free trade with in south america including Cuba and Columbia now, India, china, Africa.

If you mean you'd prefer a dog eat dog world of winners and losers that produces a small rich and merchant class and the masses are poor vs our way where theres a small poor and rich class but the masses are middle class?

 

[BlackSand]

Sure they can become profitable. Elect more democrats. They are using our money to prop up every country but ours. Hitlery can get to them as soon as she robs us to build up India. Can you say, "made in India"? Wal-mart can't wait!

Uh ... Most South American countries are benefiting more from corporations and investors pissed off with the overburdening governmental policies in the US.
I wouldn't go so far as to suggest it is all a good thing or all a bad thing ... Just a lot easier for a country to get excited about improvements when they amount to revenue increases.

At the stage some South American Countries are ... They leave you alone to do your business because the increased revenues are worth the effort.

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[Manonthestreet]

ALmost half of Mexicans live in poverty.....

 

[Sonny Clark]

Can Mexico ever become like Australia or Canada?

Should all the countries unite like Europe did with the Euro?

I know corruption is bad. Is this the problem? The crime cartels?

I'm in manufacturing and know there are thousand of manufacturing plants south of the border. Having a strong manufacturing sector is good. Why isn't that prosperity trickling down? Or is it? I hope one day Mexicans don't need to cross the border just like Canadians.

The term "Global Economy" basically means "equalization to the lowest level". Use the U.S.A. as an example.

Actually I heard a Republican author the other day that pointed out that while free trade has hurt the masses in America it has brought billions of non Americans out of poverty.

Mexico, every other s. American country we do free trade with in south america including Cuba and Columbia now, India, china, Africa.

If you mean you'd prefer a dog eat dog world of winners and losers that produces a small rich and merchant class and the masses are poor vs our way where theres a small poor and rich class but the masses are middle class?

NO, I do NOT mean anything of the such, and never implied such nonsense.
Just curious, what would be wrong with fair, equal, and balanced foreign trade agreements and policies?

 

[sealybobo]

Sure they can become profitable. Elect more democrats. They are using our money to prop up every country but ours. Hitlery can get to them as soon as she robs us to build up India. Can you say, "made in India"? Wal-mart can't wait!

Bush and the GOP before they lost power in 2006 passed laws giving companies tax breaks if they moved their operations out of the country.

The GOP drafted NAFTA. Only reason Clinton signed it is because hw bush lost his re election. It was a done deal.

Are you an isolationist? I agree we should have protected our vital manufacturing base but you guys said Americans want too much.

Keep in mind union companies moved to Mexico India and China, not Texas. Why?

 

[sealybobo]

Can Mexico ever become like Australia or Canada?

Should all the countries unite like Europe did with the Euro?

I know corruption is bad. Is this the problem? The crime cartels?

I'm in manufacturing and know there are thousand of manufacturing plants south of the border. Having a strong manufacturing sector is good. Why isn't that prosperity trickling down? Or is it? I hope one day Mexicans don't need to cross the border just like Canadians.

The term "Global Economy" basically means "equalization to the lowest level". Use the U.S.A. as an example.

Actually I heard a Republican author the other day that pointed out that while free trade has hurt the masses in America it has brought billions of non Americans out of poverty.

Mexico, every other s. American country we do free trade with in south america including Cuba and Columbia now, India, china, Africa.

If you mean you'd prefer a dog eat dog world of winners and losers that produces a small rich and merchant class and the masses are poor vs our way where theres a small poor and rich class but the masses are middle class?

NO, I do NOT mean anything of the such, and never implied such nonsense.
Just curious, what would be wrong with fair, equal, and balanced foreign trade agreements and policies?

We should help good 3rd world nations if they plan on using their prosperity to lift their citizens out of poverty and if they have something to trade.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Sure they can become profitable. Elect more democrats. They are using our money to prop up every country but ours. Hitlery can get to them as soon as she robs us to build up India. Can you say, "made in India"? Wal-mart can't wait!

Uh ... Most South American countries are benefiting more from corporations and investors pissed off with the overburdening governmental policies in the US.
I wouldn't go so far as to suggest it is all a good thing or all a bad thing ... Just a lot easier for a country to get excited about improvements when they amount to revenue increases.

At the stage some South American Countries are ... They leave you alone to do your business because the increased revenues are worth the effort.

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Of course they are benefiting from corporations leaving (we are going to tax you to death) America, and moving to their countries. Thank NAFTA, and soon the Pacific Trade deal. Anybody's allowed to profit but us. Because equality doesn't mean, bring other countries up to our standard, it means whittling us down to theirs.

So if over taxing the "1%" means the 1% are leaving and taking their jobs with them, do you still think that taxing to the hilt is an incentive for companies wanting to do business here?

 

[BlackSand]

Bush and the GOP before they lost power in 2006 passed laws giving countries tax breaks if they moved their operations out of the country.

The GOP drafted NAFTA. Only reason Clinton signed it is because hw bush lost his re election. It was a done deal.

Are you an isolationist? I agree we should have protected our vital manufacturing base but you guys said Americans want too much.

Keep in mind union companies moved to Mexico India and China, not Texas. Why?

It is pretty foolish to think that the GOP or Democrats can fix the problems in South America when they cannot even keep manufacturing here in the States.
As much grandstanding as our political parties do concerning NAFTA and other trade agreements ... We are not the ones making better conditions in South American countries when that occurs.

It is the corporations that move there and develop the surrounding areas and resources that benefit the countries.

Plus ... Environmentalism, sustainability, good manufacturing processes, employee safety and community resource development are not mysteries anymore.
The countries know about these initiatives and their benefits ... The policies and procedures are already vetted and proven in more developed countries.
South American countries that are interested in developing ... Have a blue-print in place for better methods.
These things are usually required as part of any business agreement between incoming corporations and developing countries.

Edit:
In maybe the shortest way possible to explain the major benefit ...
Corporations and businesses that want to make profits are more interested in countries who are eager to help them ... Than they are interested in countries looking for more ways to punish or handicap them.

Sometimes it is really that simple!


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[Sonny Clark]

Can Mexico ever become like Australia or Canada?

Should all the countries unite like Europe did with the Euro?

I know corruption is bad. Is this the problem? The crime cartels?

I'm in manufacturing and know there are thousand of manufacturing plants south of the border. Having a strong manufacturing sector is good. Why isn't that prosperity trickling down? Or is it? I hope one day Mexicans don't need to cross the border just like Canadians.

The term "Global Economy" basically means "equalization to the lowest level". Use the U.S.A. as an example.

Actually I heard a Republican author the other day that pointed out that while free trade has hurt the masses in America it has brought billions of non Americans out of poverty.

Mexico, every other s. American country we do free trade with in south america including Cuba and Columbia now, India, china, Africa.

If you mean you'd prefer a dog eat dog world of winners and losers that produces a small rich and merchant class and the masses are poor vs our way where theres a small poor and rich class but the masses are middle class?

NO, I do NOT mean anything of the such, and never implied such nonsense.
Just curious, what would be wrong with fair, equal, and balanced foreign trade agreements and policies?

We should help good 3rd world nations if they plan on using their prosperity to lift their citizens out of poverty and if they have something to trade.

FYI -- Charity starts at home. Why should we help foreign economies before we help our own? Why should we spend hard earned American tax dollars abroad before spending them here to stabilize our own economy? What would be wrong with putting Americans back to work, producing what America uses and consumes? Why sacrifice our own economic well-being in order to strengthen foreign economies? Do American taxpayers want their tax dollars spent elsewhere to assist others, while America experiences economic hardships? Do we elect representatives to serve us, or do we elect them to serve the world, and place America last on the priority list?

Please answer all questions honestly. Thanks.

 

[sealybobo]

Sure they can become profitable. Elect more democrats. They are using our money to prop up every country but ours. Hitlery can get to them as soon as she robs us to build up India. Can you say, "made in India"? Wal-mart can't wait!

Uh ... Most South American countries are benefiting more from corporations and investors pissed off with the overburdening governmental policies in the US.
I wouldn't go so far as to suggest it is all a good thing or all a bad thing ... Just a lot easier for a country to get excited about improvements when they amount to revenue increases.

At the stage some South American Countries are ... They leave you alone to do your business because the increased revenues are worth the effort.

.

Of course they are benefiting from corporations leaving (we are going to tax you to death) America, and moving to their countries. Thank NAFTA, and soon the Pacific Trade deal. Anybody's allowed to profit but us. Because equality doesn't mean, bring other countries up to our standard, it means whittling us down to theirs.

So if over taxing the "1%" means the 1% are leaving and taking their jobs with them, do you still think that taxing to the hilt is an incentive for companies wanting to do business here?

If they don't pay taxes you'll have to and that will bring your quality of life down.

The 1% are going to go where wages are lowest if we allow them to without tariffs. Tax them and if abc company won't move their operations home xyz company will take their business.

Only a government for we the people will do the right things. Unfortunately America is owned by the rich now. They say what goes.

Who's to blame? Middle class dicks who vote republican

 

[sealybobo]

Can Mexico ever become like Australia or Canada?

Should all the countries unite like Europe did with the Euro?

I know corruption is bad. Is this the problem? The crime cartels?

I'm in manufacturing and know there are thousand of manufacturing plants south of the border. Having a strong manufacturing sector is good. Why isn't that prosperity trickling down? Or is it? I hope one day Mexicans don't need to cross the border just like Canadians.

The term "Global Economy" basically means "equalization to the lowest level". Use the U.S.A. as an example.

Actually I heard a Republican author the other day that pointed out that while free trade has hurt the masses in America it has brought billions of non Americans out of poverty.

Mexico, every other s. American country we do free trade with in south america including Cuba and Columbia now, India, china, Africa.

If you mean you'd prefer a dog eat dog world of winners and losers that produces a small rich and merchant class and the masses are poor vs our way where theres a small poor and rich class but the masses are middle class?

NO, I do NOT mean anything of the such, and never implied such nonsense.
Just curious, what would be wrong with fair, equal, and balanced foreign trade agreements and policies?

We should help good 3rd world nations if they plan on using their prosperity to lift their citizens out of poverty and if they have something to trade.

FYI -- Charity starts at home. Why should we help foreign economies before we help our own? Why should we spend hard earned American tax dollars abroad before spending them here to stabilize our own economy? What would be wrong with putting Americans back to work, producing what America uses and consumes? Why sacrifice our own economic well-being in order to strengthen foreign economies? Do American taxpayers want their tax dollars spent elsewhere to assist others, while America experiences economic hardships? Do we elect representatives to serve us, or do we elect them to serve the world, and place America last on the priority list?

Please answer all questions honestly. Thanks.

We did it because corporations and the rich wanted us to.

 

[sealybobo]

Can Mexico ever become like Australia or Canada?

Should all the countries unite like Europe did with the Euro?

I know corruption is bad. Is this the problem? The crime cartels?

I'm in manufacturing and know there are thousand of manufacturing plants south of the border. Having a strong manufacturing sector is good. Why isn't that prosperity trickling down? Or is it? I hope one day Mexicans don't need to cross the border just like Canadians.

The term "Global Economy" basically means "equalization to the lowest level". Use the U.S.A. as an example.

Actually I heard a Republican author the other day that pointed out that while free trade has hurt the masses in America it has brought billions of non Americans out of poverty.

Mexico, every other s. American country we do free trade with in south america including Cuba and Columbia now, India, china, Africa.

If you mean you'd prefer a dog eat dog world of winners and losers that produces a small rich and merchant class and the masses are poor vs our way where theres a small poor and rich class but the masses are middle class?

NO, I do NOT mean anything of the such, and never implied such nonsense.
Just curious, what would be wrong with fair, equal, and balanced foreign trade agreements and policies?

We should help good 3rd world nations if they plan on using their prosperity to lift their citizens out of poverty and if they have something to trade.

FYI -- Charity starts at home. Why should we help foreign economies before we help our own? Why should we spend hard earned American tax dollars abroad before spending them here to stabilize our own economy? What would be wrong with putting Americans back to work, producing what America uses and consumes? Why sacrifice our own economic well-being in order to strengthen foreign economies? Do American taxpayers want their tax dollars spent elsewhere to assist others, while America experiences economic hardships? Do we elect representatives to serve us, or do we elect them to serve the world, and place America last on the priority list?

Please answer all questions honestly. Thanks.

You asked 6 questions. Most of the points you are making I would agree with. I'm a liberal. I like unions. I'm pro labor.

 

[Sonny Clark]

Bush and the GOP before they lost power in 2006 passed laws giving countries tax breaks if they moved their operations out of the country.

The GOP drafted NAFTA. Only reason Clinton signed it is because hw bush lost his re election. It was a done deal.

Are you an isolationist? I agree we should have protected our vital manufacturing base but you guys said Americans want too much.

Keep in mind union companies moved to Mexico India and China, not Texas. Why?

It is pretty foolish to think that the GOP or Democrats can fix the problems in South America when they cannot even keep manufacturing here in the States.
As much grandstanding as our political parties do concerning NAFTA and other trade agreements ... We are not the ones making better conditions in South American countries when that occurs.

It is the corporations that move there and develop the surround areas and resources that benefit the countries.

Plus ... Environmentalism, sustainability, good manufacturing processes, employee safety and community resource development are not mysteries anymore.
The countries know about these initiatives and their benefits ... The policies and procedures are already vetted and proven in more developed countries.
South American countries that are interested in developing ... Have a blue-print in place for better methods.
These things are usually required as part of any business agreement between incoming corporations and developing countries.

Edit:
In maybe the shortest way possible to explain the major benefit ...
Corporations and businesses that want to make profits are more interested in countries who are eager to help them ... Than they are interested in countries looking for more ways to punish or handicap them.

Sometimes it is really that simple!


.

But, it's the American corporations and business community that fund election campaigns. Businesses look for the cheapest labor, the fewest amount of rules and regulations, and the ease of export/import. We ( corporate America ) actually LOVE foreign economic environments. And, since we basically have free and open trade, who can blame corporate America for taking advantage of a sweet arrangement? We sacrifice our economic well-being in favor of strengthening foreign economies.

 

[Sonny Clark]

The term "Global Economy" basically means "equalization to the lowest level". Use the U.S.A. as an example.

Actually I heard a Republican author the other day that pointed out that while free trade has hurt the masses in America it has brought billions of non Americans out of poverty.

Mexico, every other s. American country we do free trade with in south america including Cuba and Columbia now, India, china, Africa.

If you mean you'd prefer a dog eat dog world of winners and losers that produces a small rich and merchant class and the masses are poor vs our way where theres a small poor and rich class but the masses are middle class?

NO, I do NOT mean anything of the such, and never implied such nonsense.
Just curious, what would be wrong with fair, equal, and balanced foreign trade agreements and policies?

We should help good 3rd world nations if they plan on using their prosperity to lift their citizens out of poverty and if they have something to trade.

FYI -- Charity starts at home. Why should we help foreign economies before we help our own? Why should we spend hard earned American tax dollars abroad before spending them here to stabilize our own economy? What would be wrong with putting Americans back to work, producing what America uses and consumes? Why sacrifice our own economic well-being in order to strengthen foreign economies? Do American taxpayers want their tax dollars spent elsewhere to assist others, while America experiences economic hardships? Do we elect representatives to serve us, or do we elect them to serve the world, and place America last on the priority list?

Please answer all questions honestly. Thanks.

We did it because corporations and the rich wanted us to.

Do you suppose that the anti-America professional politicians seated in Washington had anything to do with it? Would you guess that our government is bought and paid for by the wealthy, the powerful, and the influential? Or, do you believe that corporate America did it all on their own, wrote their own trade agreements and policies, and cut Washington out of the picture?